I think a major problem with Rap music is the musical knowledge beyond rap

supersajinfo

I find it Ironic with how easy it is to access old artist full catalogs of songs, and the various producing programs on the internet. Yet we don't see many producers sampling songs,or creating instrumentals that go beyond 808 clicks. So what is your opinion of the lack of diverse beats ?

WHITE POWER!!!!!1

everyone is afraid of that copyright suit and sharing royalties point blank...

supersajinfo

That is understandable , but why is it we don't see artist incorporating different sounds from around the world like Nujabes did and That Kid From Russia ( actual artist)does. It seems like today's producers don't use anything except 808s and the hollow sounding drum pads now. The music is less soulful than it should be everything is so cleaned up and artificial now.

Jay107

so sad but bottomline about the majority of whats selling nowadays is this: SIMPLE BEATS+ SIMPLE LYRICS= RADIO SPINS/ BET&MTV AIRPLAY...you cannot expect much complexity out of todays rap music if you look mainstream

loch121

PPL look down on musical genius.Now ppl love ppl who are famous for being famous with average talent.The true artst in hip hop has been buried.it's really depressing
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duckmanpig

lol@ this thread.

you really think rap would be diffrent if it sampled from past joints? no, and the dumbass who started this thread would have made 1 sayin how all these cats who sample past hip hop have no talent. you soundin like a republican, dun.

supersajinfo

duckmanpig wrote: »

lol@ this thread.

you really think rap would be diffrent if it sampled from past joints? no, and the dumbass who started this thread would have made 1 sayin how all these cats who sample past hip hop have no talent. you soundin like a republican, dun.

The dumbass that wrote this thread thinks that sampling is an integral and hard thing to do . It also made rap songs different and distinct. You don't see different styles of beats as much everything is just drum pad and snares. You don't hear distinct styles anymore . Everybody used to have their own distinct styles from Alchemist to Large Professor. Today you can't tell anybody's beats apart unless they have a little audio cue. Its not just sampling you don't see any other musical influences in today's beats anymore.

Jamaica

I understand what t/s is saying but the bottomline is and Soloman already said it, they dont wanna pay royalty money.

young law

i been tryna tell yall

tech n9ne done sampled everything from Rock Me Amedeus to Monster Movies

AntnysWorld

Sampling is not as expensive as people think it is. Look at labels like Stones Throw.

Makaveli Joker

Sampling is what made hip hop what it is. Dr. Dre, Premo, Timbaland, Dj Quik, Kanye west, Large Professor, Mike Dean, Manny Fresh, all them sampled countless old school artists like James Brown, Marvin Gaye, Isley Bros, Parliment, Bootsy Collins, etc. Even back in the 80's, everyone was sampling. Theres plenty knowledge of other music within hip hop

Ounceman

I understand what the thread starter's getting at, but should we really be encouraging producers to sample? dont get me wrong it gives u a nostalgic feeling, but why not encourage producers to compose tracks originally that expand outside of the typical 808's and which also showcase that producer's musical knowledge? its very hard to do when theyre hiding behind a sample. as a musician, i talk to and start conversations with other players from all backgrounds. from metalheads, to fusion bands, to hard bop quartets, to even experimental idm synth groups. and everytime i bring up hip hop, its hard for me to defend it when the producers sometimes arent even trying to come up with their own compositions

supersajinfo

Ounceman wrote: »

I understand what the thread starter's getting at, but should we really be encouraging producers to sample? dont get me wrong it gives u a nostalgic feeling, but why not encourage producers to compose tracks originally that expand outside of the typical 808's and which also showcase that producer's musical knowledge? its very hard to do when theyre hiding behind a sample. as a musician, i talk to and start conversations with other players from all backgrounds. from metalheads, to fusion bands, to hard bop quartets, to even experimental idm synth groups. and everytime i bring up hip hop, its hard for me to defend it when the producers sometimes arent even trying to come up with their own compositions

Cosign this man. We don't hear a lot of composed tracks

A track like this has layers to it and differing melodies and elements.

degheatza

Hip Hop was born from sampling. Even the first Rap single was sampled (Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight)

InMyLifeTime91

supersajinfo wrote: »

That is understandable , but why is it we don't see artist incorporating different sounds from around the world like Nujabes did and That Kid From Russia ( actual artist)does. It seems like today's producers don't use anything except 808s and the hollow sounding drum pads now. The music is less soulful than it should be everything is so cleaned up and artificial now.

well j. cole beats aint like.. check em out..

georgia boi

supersajinfo wrote: »

That is understandable , but why is it we don't see artist incorporating different sounds from around the world like Nujabes did and That Kid From Russia ( actual artist)does. It seems like today's producers don't use anything except 808s and the hollow sounding drum pads now. The music is less soulful than it should be everything is so cleaned up and artificial now.

I hope you don't think songs like "Big Pimpin", "Get Ur Freak On", "Stronger", "Planet Rock" etc. are sampled from American artists. Those samples came from different parts of the world. I've read interviews of Timbaland where states that he actually goes to other countries looking for foreign sounds.

Danger Mouse is another producer who is very creative w/ sampling. Bangladesh, while he uses the 808's, has a very distinct sounds as well.

krow132

Uh oh, producer thread. Anyway i think production wise the game is in great shape.

but what do I know. I just like what sounds good to my ears

Ounceman

supersajinfo wrote: »

Cosign this man. We don't hear a lot of composed tracks

A track like this has layers to it and differing melodies and elements.

dope track