Ask a Somali anything.

garv

IC Retiree wrote: »

How can anyone in their right mind look down on Southern Africans, seriously! We have the best history and cultural mix from Jon Van Riebeeck – Dutch, to the Bush Men to Cecil John Rhodes to Germans in Namibia to Portuguese in Mozambique and Angola, I just don’t see how any other African region competes with us. Also we are superior financially, intellectually and athletically.
Even our dogs are superior –


So what’s going on in East Africa?

SMH, you can't be serious with this post.

-Vincenzo-

garv wrote: »

Yeah i agree with what your saying, but while other Africans are tribalist they do mix with each other and the Carribean community more so than Somalis, in fact many Somalis do not even consider themselves as Black.

that's the feeling i got and i also had some people tellin me they do not consider somalis to be truely black in their hearts. that's why i was surprised to see kai sayin somalis dislike arabs, i always thought you were more inclined towards arabs then blacks.

young law

i jus looked up the word "mbuzi" and got a white man milking a goat

wtf is that about

IC Retiree

garv wrote: »

SMH, you can't be serious with this post.

Stop nitpicking and do not misconstrue my post, we can not ignore history. How is my statement any different from saying there were in Spaniards in Mexico and Cuba or in saying that Milwaukee has a large German population or that many Jews control the US economy.
Stop looking for stuff that is not there.

IC Retiree

young law wrote: »

i jus looked up the word "mbuzi" and got a white man milking a goat

wtf is that about

Mbuzi is goat in Swahili.

young law

so callin someone a goat is like the worst of insults on east africa
or
is it jus a common thing folks call each other

like women calin each other chick or men sayin dog

kai_valya

garv wrote: »

Yeah i agree with what your saying, but while other Africans are tribalist they do mix with each other and the Carribean community more so than Somalis, in fact many Somalis do not even consider themselves as Black.

the bolded is not true, they consider themselves black, just different. for somalis being somali trumps all of that. but even within our own country we have in fighting. certain tribes hate other tribes with a passion. like i swear to god, my fam would rather have me marry an african from another country be4 they'd be cool with me marrying someone from a tribe that we consider our enemies

somalis identify themselves by clan first and foremost. race is not even a concept they really had to think about cuz everyone was the same race back home

kai_valya

VisionsOfFire wrote: »

what you think about them pirates?

they're doing what they have to do. if other countries weren't trying to illegally pollute our waters, or try to use it for shortcuts, they wouldn't be pirated. they fish and steal all the countries resources, because they feel like what government is there to stop them

the pirates just want money so if you pay them, they'll never hurt anyone

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

that's the feeling i got and i also had some people tellin me they do not consider somalis to be truely black in their hearts. that's why i was surprised to see kai sayin somalis dislike arabs, i always thought you were more inclined towards arabs then blacks.

i know the biggest problems somalis have with arabs is in regards to the religion. somalis feel like arabs are hypocrites, and bad muslims, we have a phrase in my language that basically translates to "arabs were made muslim by the sword". basically, they were forced to be muslim, while we choose it willingly

arabs tend to look down on other muslims just cuz the prophet was arab. and we've just always had a contentious relationship with them. so if you wanna piss a somali person off tell them they're part arab (which we totally are not) and they will lose it

SoutCity

kai_valya wrote: »

they're doing what they have to do. if other countries weren't trying to illegally pollute our waters, or try to use it for shortcuts, they wouldn't be pirated. they fish and steal all the countries resources, because they feel like what government is there to stop them

the pirates just want money so if you pay them, they'll never hurt anyone

I been telling my mother the same thing. I fully support the Somali Pirates.

i know the biggest problems somalis have with arabs is in regards to the religion. somalis feel like arabs are hypocrites, and bad muslims, we have a phrase in my language that basically translates to "arabs were made muslim by the sword". basically, they were forced to be muslim, while we choose it willingly

arabs tend to look down on other muslims just cuz the prophet was arab. and we've just always had a contentious relationship with them. so if you wanna piss a somali person off tell them they're part arab (which we totally are not) and they will lose it

You are part arab

kai_valya

MrSoutCity wrote: »

I been telling my mother the same thing. I fully support the Somali Pirates.



You are part arab

no we're not. people mistakenly believe so, but that's not true.

east africa is the cradle of civilization. so if we were here first, how do we look like them? if anything they look like us and not the other way around. anyway, genetic testing has proven that we are not mixed with arabs. of course there are somalis who are part arab (a parent from yemen or other arab countries). but as a whole, we're not part arab at all

Huruma

kai_valya wrote: »

no we're not. people mistakenly believe so, but that's not true.

east africa is the cradle of civilization. so if we were here first, how do we look like them? if anything they look like us and not the other way around. anyway, genetic testing has proven that we are not mixed with arabs. of course there are somalis who are part arab (a parent from yemen or other arab countries). but as a whole, we're not part arab at all

East Africa is probably the cradle of humanity but 'civilization' as defined by anthropologists started in the Middle East. I agree that most Somalis don't have Arab ancestry. A surprising number of Arabs in countries like Yemen have African ancestry due to the Islamic slave trade.


I helped a beetle that was stuck on it's back on to it's legs again. Can you imagine what it would be like to be an insect and fall on your back and not be able to move. It's ridiculous.

-Vincenzo-

kai_valya wrote: »

i know the biggest problems somalis have with arabs is in regards to the religion. somalis feel like arabs are hypocrites, and bad muslims, we have a phrase in my language that basically translates to "arabs were made muslim by the sword". basically, they were forced to be muslim, while we choose it willingly

arabs tend to look down on other muslims just cuz the prophet was arab. and we've just always had a contentious relationship with them. so if you wanna piss a somali person off tell them they're part arab (which we totally are not) and they will lose it

well kai or should i say ms dhag cas, in this case i'm sorry i have to piss you off once again but yes somalis are totally part arab.

first and foremost, legend has it that somalis immigrated to the area we call somalia nowadays from the arabian peninsula although this is confuted by most historians. second, even though they probably did not migrate from the arabian peninsula it is undoubted that somalis mixed with arabs especially in the coastal towns, even a blind man could see this. don't make me call maury to clarify this!

kai_valya

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

well kai or should i say ms dhag cas, in this case i'm sorry i have to piss you off once again but yes somalis are totally part arab.

first and foremost, legend has it that somalis immigrated to the area we call somalia nowadays from the arabian peninsula although this is confuted by most historians. second, even though they probably did not migrate from the arabian peninsula it is undoubted that somalis mixed with arabs especially in the coastal towns, even a blind man could see this. don't make me call maury to clarify this!

lol, you're funny

but uninformed:

"The most distinct separation is between African and non-African populations. The northeastern-African -- that is, the Ethiopian and Somali -- populations are located centrally between sub-Saharan African and non-African populations... The fact that the Ethiopians and Somalis have a subset of the sub-Saharan African haplotype diversity -- and that the non-African populations have a subset of the diversity present in Ethiopians and Somalis -- makes simple-admixture models less likely; rather, these observations support the hypothesis proposed by other nuclear-genetic studies (Tishkoff et al. 1996a, 1998a, 1998b; Kidd et al. 1998) -- that populations in northeastern Africa may have diverged from those in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa early in the history of modern African populations and that a subset of this northeastern-African population migrated out of Africa and populated the rest of the globe. These conclusions are supported by recent mtDNA analysis (Quintana-Murci et al. 1999)."[55]

they look like us and not the other way around. humans first left africa out of east africa, and from there populated the rest of the world

Huruma

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

so this lookin down on each other seems to be reciprocative. regarding other younger africans i saw them looking down on somalis cause they tend to be less athletic and fashion-conscious, adults held resentments cause somalis are a little radical regarding islam like women wearing head scarves.

culturally i think east africans are totally different from other africans like nigerians or angolans, must be the arab influence. i really didnt know you dont like arabs, i even wondered if east africans feel closer to arabs than to other africans cause culturally and lookswise they differ a lot.

'East Africa' usually includes Sudan, Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania as well as Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti and Somalia.

These are Northern Nigerians, by the way. Like Somalis, Hausa people speak an Afro-Asiatic language.

No one looks down on Somalis

Many people do.

it just that Somalis tend to separate themselves from other Africans and the black community in general, so there then becomes a lot of animosity between the two groups.

Many non-Somali Blacks separate themselves from Somalis, what's your point?

in fact many Somalis do not even consider themselves as Black.

And many people decide on behalf of Somalis that they aren't Black even when they consider themselves to be, what's your point?

first and foremost, legend has it that somalis immigrated to the area we call somalia nowadays from the arabian peninsula although this is confuted by most historians. second, even though they probably did not migrate from the arabian peninsula it is undoubted that somalis mixed with arabs especially in the coastal towns, even a blind man could see this. don't make me call maury to clarify this!

Somalis are an indigenous Cushitic speaking culture. Many of them might have Arab ancestry but most of them probably do not. People also mistakenly assume that North Africans descend primarily from Middle Easterners when most of them probably have no Middle Eastern ancestry or are at least primarily descended from indigenous Berbers/Egyptian copts, Africans naturally vary in terms of complexion, hair texture and appearance because Africa is a large continent.

they look like us and not the other way around. humans first left africa out of east africa, and from there populated the rest of the world

We don't know what the early humans looked like. The populations most genetically similar to them are the Hadza of Tanzania and the other Khoi-San ("Bushman") cultures located primarily in southern Africa. This doesn't necessarily mean that they resemble the early humans in terms of phenotype.

-Vincenzo-

kai_valya wrote: »

"The most distinct separation is between African and non-African populations. The northeastern-African -- that is, the Ethiopian and Somali -- populations are located centrally between sub-Saharan African and non-African populations... The fact that the Ethiopians and Somalis have a subset of the sub-Saharan African haplotype diversity -- and that the non-African populations have a subset of the diversity present in Ethiopians and Somalis -- makes simple-admixture models less likely; rather, these observations support the hypothesis proposed by other nuclear-genetic studies (Tishkoff et al. 1996a, 1998a, 1998b; Kidd et al. 1998) -- that populations in northeastern Africa may have diverged from those in the rest of sub-Saharan Africa early in the history of modern African populations and that a subset of this northeastern-African population migrated out of Africa and populated the rest of the globe. These conclusions are supported by recent mtDNA analysis (Quintana-Murci et al. 1999)."[55]

you are well informed!

but dyslexic:

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

well kai or should i say ms dhag cas, in this case i'm sorry i have to piss you off once again but yes somalis are totally part arab.

first and foremost, legend has it that somalis immigrated to the area we call somalia nowadays from the arabian peninsula although this is confuted by most historians. second, even though they probably did not migrate from the arabian peninsula it is undoubted that somalis mixed with arabs especially in the coastal towns, even a blind man could see this. don't make me call maury to clarify this!

as you will find out after careful perusal of my post i never touched the issue of lineage i only said you share the same blood to some extent which itself is quite obvious by the looks of most somalis. who was first is a bit of a chicken and egg problem, given that as a matter of prudence i will not join this knotty discussion nor start one.

garv

kai_valya wrote: »

the bolded is not true, they consider themselves black, just different. for somalis being somali trumps all of that. but even within our own country we have in fighting. certain tribes hate other tribes with a passion. like i swear to god, my fam would rather have me marry an african from another country be4 they'd be cool with me marrying someone from a tribe that we consider our enemies

somalis identify themselves by clan first and foremost. race is not even a concept they really had to think about cuz everyone was the same race back home

Nah i'm talking about the Somalis i've met who have openly said they were not Black Africans.

garv

Huruma wrote: »

'East Africa' usually includes Sudan, Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania as well as Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti and Somalia.

These are Northern Nigerians, by the way. Like Somalis, Hausa people speak an Afro-Asiatic language.


Many people do.



Many non-Somali Blacks separate themselves from Somalis, what's your point?


And many people decide on behalf of Somalis that they aren't Black even when they consider themselves to be, what's your point?



Somalis are an indigenous Cushitic speaking culture. Many of them might have Arab ancestry but most of them probably do not. People also mistakenly assume that North Africans descend primarily from Middle Easterners when most of them probably have no Middle Eastern ancestry or are at least primarily descended from indigenous Berbers/Egyptian copts, Africans naturally vary in terms of complexion, hair texture and appearance because Africa is a large continent.


We don't know what the early humans looked like. The populations most genetically similar to them are the Hadza of Tanzania and the other Khoi-San ("Bushman") cultures located primarily in southern Africa. This doesn't necessarily mean that they resemble the early humans in terms of phenotype.

Yeah your right with this post, theres ignorance from both sides, Somalis aren't solely to blame.

garv

IC Retiree wrote: »

Stop nitpicking and do not misconstrue my post, we can not ignore history. How is my statement any different from saying there were in Spaniards in Mexico and Cuba or in saying that Milwaukee has a large German population or that many Jews control the US economy.
Stop looking for stuff that is not there.

We have the best history and cultural mix from Jon Van Riebeeck – Dutch, to the Bush Men to Cecil John Rhodes to Germans in Namibia to Portuguese in Mozambique and Angola,


You basically said your proud of the likes of Cecil Rhodes, and all the other Europeans in Africans who subjected the indigenous peoples to poverty, Cecil Rhodes was a horrible man by the way not someone to be proud of, your probably a Boer yourself so thats why you label European presence in the South of Africa as a good thing, when history clearly shows us that it it not.

IC Retiree

garv wrote: »

We have the best history and cultural mix from Jon Van Riebeeck – Dutch, to the Bush Men to Cecil John Rhodes to Germans in Namibia to Portuguese in Mozambique and Angola,


You basically said your proud of the likes of Cecil Rhodes, and all the other Europeans in Africans who subjected the indigenous peoples to poverty, Cecil Rhodes was a horrible man by the way not someone to be proud of, your probably a Boer yourself so thats why you label European presence in the South of Africa as a good thing, when history clearly shows us that it it not.

The original inhabitants of Southern Africa are the Khoi Khoi and the Khoi San, I even referenced them in my earlier post. Down here we are Southern Africans first then everything else so your (insinuated) argument about me being an Afrikaner is irrelevant.



^^ these are the original Southern Africans, notice the Asian – like features? That is why I said that down here we’re culturally diverse – from Dutch to English to Xhosa, to Zulu, to Tswana, to Sotho, to German, to Portuguese I can go on forever – I hope you get the premise.

And Step

Why are your woman so exceedingly beautiful, yet your men look like the dude from the Five heartbeats who was kicked out of the group?

kai_valya

And Step wrote: »

Why are your woman so exceedingly beautiful, yet your men look like the dude from the Five heartbeats who was kicked out of the group?

lmao, you silly for that

there are some cute ones out there. but like many other africans they're afflicted with extreme skinnyness

Huruma

kai_valya wrote: »

lmao, you silly for that

there are some cute ones out there. but like many other africans they're afflicted with extreme skinnyness

Aww shut the hell up.

king bloo

young law wrote: »

so callin someone a goat is like the worst of insults on east africa
or
is it jus a common thing folks call each other

like women calin each other chick or men sayin dog

it's the equivalent of an American calling an illegal Mexican a "Wetback".

Many of us don't care much for Somalis...

kai_valya

king bloo wrote: »

it's the equivalent of an American calling an illegal Mexican a "Wetback".

Many of us don't care much for Somalis...

i don't know where you get this from. i've never felt other africans had a dislike for me at all. i have african friends from all over, nigeria, kenya, ethiopia, congo, senegal, sudan. my best friend is nigerian. i dated a sudanese guy be4. who is this many of us that you refer to?

Huruma wrote: »

Aww shut the hell up.

a lot of them are on the very skinny side, i'd say the majority of them. once they get older they put on weight. but my brother is 6'3" and weighs like 150lbs. my other brother weighs only 7 lbs more than me, but he's almost 6'0"

Dblessed_1

Somalis don't like Arabs...and Arabs don't like somalis...its true that somalis look down on arabs because of their hypocrasy...arabs establish businesses that sell alcohol yet have the balls to call themselves muslims.

But fuck all that right now...all i know is my people are starving....God bless