'Africans sold us into slavery'

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  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    The difference is that in America, slaveowners made sure that different tribes were mixed up, so Black Americans had no choice but to develop their own culture . This wasn't really the case in the Caribbean and Latin America

    Nah.If anything black americans didnt keep shit..the least of all diasporians.

    Latin people bled into the general population because most mulatoes wered freed but dont get it confused.They/We kept alot of african heritage...food,music,art,religion.(Santeria,Voodo,candomble,)...blood wise yes most of us are watered down...the vast majority even before the end of slavery in cuba or brazil(the last ones to abolish it)were racially mixed.

    Carribean people kept alot more of the culture and Haitians kept the most culture wise and blood wise.They are blackest in the west...
  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    I didnt say Africans had chattel slavery like they did in the West but they had endentured servitude and it was common to take prisoners of war as "servants".Those "servants" were basically slaves since they were usually from enemy tribes.



    I DID SAY THAT CERTAIN PEOPLE WERE SENT TO THE AMERICAS FOR DIPLOMATIC PURPOSES AND DID WITNESS EURO STYLE SLAVERY.So a few tribes were aware of the severity of chattle slavery.

    Common sense to you this,fuck the romantic afro-centric bullshit.You see a ship bigger than life packed top to bottom with your own kind in schackles and chains and fortress being built specifically to house slaves...youre gonna know something is up..

    Lets romantizcing africans,people..
  • JerryfromJerzJerryfromJerz Posts: 20,513
    edited November 2011
    Paul Hate. wrote: »
    Nah.If anything black americans didnt keep shit..the least of all diasporians.

    Latin people bled into the general population because most mulatoes wered freed but dont get it confused.They/We kept alot of african heritage...food,music,art,religion.(Santeria,Voodo,candomble,)...blood wise yes most of us are watered down...the vast majority even before the end of slavery in cuba or brazil(the last ones to abolish it)were racially mixed.

    Carribean people kept alot more of the culture and Haitians kept the most culture wise and blood wise.They are blackest in the west...

    Yeah thats what i meant (i guess my post wasn't worded correctly). like even the language has more African influenced than "ebonics". Jamaican Culture is pretty similar to West African as well (I saw that especially when I was up with the Maroons)
  • ibedamnedibedamned Posts: 3,098
    edited November 2011
    yeah, they did....on a personal note, i really feel no actual connection to Africans. We descended from them, true, but thats about all. Our culture is so much different than theres. only thing we have in common is our skin color. And dont get it twisted, ALOT of them specifically Nigerians, look down on black americans.
  • quiet1quiet1 Posts: 146
    edited November 2011
    a.mann wrote: »
    'Africans sold us into slavery'


    OKAY and...?


    does that aileviate the atrocities we have endured for 400 plus year from Europeans???

    All that needs to be said.
  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    The French were worse than the English by a bit i think. The Dutch were pretty unsuccessful with slavery tho lol

    ^Again depends what time and country.You could say French trading outposts in Africa itself was leniant.They were actually PUSHED into marrying and breeding with Native women by their trade companies and goverments.Lousiana you had the creole society and Haiti was seen a hub for sugar exports(think oil of today) so they had an excess of slaves coming through haiti but they had different protocols and customs there than in other places...

    Remember were talking slavery so leniancy is what?...to a slave owner...??you dig...You cud say the SPanish and Porteguese but then again they schooled division into the slaves:told the mulato he was better and that he was african..
  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    Yeah thats what i meant (i guess my post wasn't worded correctly). like even the language has more African influenced than "ebonics". Jamaican Culture is pretty similar to West African as well (I saw that especially when I was up with the Maroons)

    ^yea Haitian creole supposdley has words that come directly from West African tribal languages as well a few Jamaican cultural items.Same for santeria/yoruba practices in Cuba to a small degree Puerto Rico..

    You dont see shit like that in america,maybe Lousiaina at best but theyre history is totally different from the rest of the country...
  • HurumaHuruma Posts: 2,284
    edited November 2011
    so people know how africans treated their slaves?
    you been alive that long jihad?
    how did they treat them?
    what did they feed them since you know how every slave was treated

    There's a short novel called Chisi by Gabrielle Ellison which is based on the life of an actual 19th century Zambian woman who was captured into slavery as a young girl. Every form of slavery is wrong but she was never literally considered property, she still had rights. Anyways, it makes no difference to my argument.
  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    so people know how africans treated their slaves?
    you been alive that long jihad?
    how did they treat them?
    what did they feed them since you know how every slave was treated

    They were treated as endentured servants.Like you would a maid or cook in a third world country.They did work for people they owed money to,alot of times though they were prisoners of war from enemy tribes or flat out criminals and "lames"(nutjobs).

    Another thing,once Euros started their fuckery African tribes started raiding enemy tribes for the sole purpose of selling the prisoners..soooooo...
  • JerryfromJerzJerryfromJerz Posts: 20,513
    edited November 2011
    I take it that you aren't really my posts that carefully. I never said that white people created slavery, did I? Slavery in Africa was different than slavery in the Americas. I said I didn't think it was factual for you to act like the two were similar in any way, being that one form of slavery was more brutal and inhuman than the other. Show me proof otherwise.

    My point is that chattel slavery was not something that only existed in the Americas, it occured in Africa, Asia, Europe etc.
  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    Huruma wrote: »
    There's a short novel called Chisi by Gabrielle Ellison which is based on the life of an actual 19th century Zambian woman who was captured into slavery as a young girl. Every form of slavery is wrong but she was never literally considered property, she still had rights. Anyways, it makes no difference to my argument.

    Yes,there was differences between Roman Slavery,Arab Slavery,and European Slave trade...big differences between colonies,outposts and regions.Regardless I dont care what nobody says,how can you not notice the people you sold into "servitude" never came back???Went away on a big ship and these pale face bastards keeping coming back with more and more goods to trade for more and more people..

    Nobodies that stupid and like I said after a while they were beefing for the sole purpose of selling people.Yes some tribes in the south fough back but so what?
  • ibedamnedibedamned Posts: 3,098
    edited November 2011
    Paul Hate. wrote: »
    They were treated as endentured servants.Like you would a maid or cook in a third world country.They did work for people they owed money to,alot of times though they were prisoners of war from enemy tribes or flat out criminals and "lames"(nutjobs).

    Another thing,once Euros started their fuckery African tribes started raiding enemy tribes for the sole purpose of selling the prisoners..soooooo...[/QUOTE]

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  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    ibedamned wrote: »
    yeah, they did....on a personal note, i really feel no actual connection to Africans. We descended from them, true, but thats about all. Our culture is so much different than theres. only thing we have in common is our skin color. And dont get it twisted, ALOT of them specifically Nigerians, look down on black americans.

    Basically...

    Man,ive come to the conclusion most people dislike black americans.
  • ItzGravitationItzGravitation Posts: 7,206
    edited November 2011
    Paul Hate. wrote: »
    They were treated as endentured servants.Like you would a maid or cook in a third world country.They did work for people they owed money to,alot of times though they were prisoners of war from enemy tribes or flat out criminals and "lames"(nutjobs).

    Another thing,once Euros started their fuckery African tribes started raiding enemy tribes for the sole purpose of selling the prisoners..soooooo...

    there's no proof of that
    maybe the whites learned cruelty from Africans
    not saying its a fact but we cant just say whites invented whipping slaves and shit
  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    Im not sure if this was CHATTEL slavery or something more complicated but:

    "Slavery in West Africa This section needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (November 2011)

    In Senegambia, between 1300 and 1900, close to one-third of the population was enslaved. In early Islamic states of the western Sudan, including Ghana (750–1076), Mali (1235–1645), Segou (1712–1861), and Songhai (1275–1591), about a third of the population were enslaved. In Sierra Leone in the 19th century about half of the population consisted of enslaved people. In the 19th century at least half the population was enslaved among the Duala of the Cameroon and other peoples of the lower Niger, the Kongo, and the Kasanje kingdom and Chokwe of Angola. Among the Ashanti and Yoruba a third of the population consisted of enslaved people. The population of the Kanem (1600–1800) was about a third-enslaved. It was perhaps 40% in Bornu (1580–1890). Between 1750 and 1900 from one- to two-thirds of the entire population of the Fulani jihad states consisted of enslaved people. The population of the Sokoto caliphate formed by Hausas in the northern Nigeria and Cameroon was half-enslaved in the 19th century.

    When British rule was first imposed on the Sokoto Caliphate and the surrounding areas in northern Nigeria at the turn of the 20th century, approximately 2 million to 2.5 million people there were enslaved.[4] Slavery in northern Nigeria was finally outlawed in 1936


    Damn.
  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    now im skimming through some info about slavery in the african horn countries they were mostly women sex slaves and their kids working as domestic help.They were allowed to roam free and travel...
  • HurumaHuruma Posts: 2,284
    edited November 2011
    Paul Hate. wrote: »
    Yes,there was differences between Roman Slavery,Arab Slavery,and European Slave trade...big differences between colonies,outposts and regions.Regardless I dont care what nobody says,how can you not notice the people you sold into "servitude" never came back???Went away on a big ship and these pale face bastards keeping coming back with more and more goods to trade for more and more people..

    Nobodies that stupid and like I said after a while they were beefing for the sole purpose of selling people


    Like I said, 'probably'.

    Yes some tribes in the south fough back but so what?

    Besides the fact that countless Africans then and none today had anything to do with the Atlantic slave trade, it makes no sense to resent people on behalf of people who belong to the same group you resent. Nobody has yet countered this point or explained how Black Americans/West Indians/Latinos are actually justified in resenting Africans for selling their ancestors into slavery when their own ancestors were themselves Africans.
  • JerryfromJerzJerryfromJerz Posts: 20,513
    edited November 2011
    What is your definition of "chattel" slavery? Chattel implies that one is subhuman and beneath his superiors, devoid of any humanity. I've already said that in many tribes someone in slavery could be educated, could marry into the owner's family, and were not psychically scarred as Africans in the Americas were. I doubt you can compare slavery in Africa to the TransAtlatic slave trade, which resulted in the death of 60 million and cultural and political genocide.

    My definition of chattel slavery is the same. I doubt the 60 million dead data, i'd have to see where you got that from. Chattel slavery occured everywhere
  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    there's no proof of that
    maybe the whites learned cruelty from Africans
    not saying its a fact but we cant just say whites invented whipping slaves and shit

    ^Theres no proof or what?Indentured slavery?

    There is proof of all forms of slavery since roman days and slaves where disciplined differently depending of what era and area you choose to speak on.
  • JerryfromJerzJerryfromJerz Posts: 20,513
    edited November 2011
    Huruma wrote: »
    Like I said, 'probably'.




    Besides the fact that countless Africans then and none today had anything to do with the Atlantic slave trade, it makes no sense to resent people on behalf of people who belong to the same group you resent. Nobody has yet countered this point or explained how Black Americans/West Indians/Latinos are actually justified in resenting Africans for selling their ancestors into slavery when their own ancestors were themselves Africans.

    Cosign this
  • ItzGravitationItzGravitation Posts: 7,206
    edited November 2011
    Paul Hate. wrote: »
    ^Theres no proof or what?Indentured slavery?

    There is proof of all forms of slavery since roman days and slaves where disciplined differently depending of what era and area you choose to speak on.

    i know slaves have been around since forever
    i'm just saying you cant say whites/euros were the first to mistreat slaves the way they did
    they had to learn from someone
  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    STOP ROMANTIZING AFRICANS:

    "The Atlantic slave trade peaked in the late 18th century, when the largest number of slaves were captured on raiding expeditions into the interior of West Africa.[citation needed] These expeditions were typically carried out by African kingdoms against weaker African ethnic groups and peoples. These mass slavers included the Oyo empire (Yoruba), Kong Empire, Kingdom of Benin, Kingdom of Fouta Djallon, Kingdom of Fouta Tooro, Kingdom of Koya, Kingdom of Khasso, Kingdom of Kaabu, Fante Confederacy, Ashanti Confederacy, and the kingdom of Dahomey. Europeans rarely entered the interior of Africa, due to fear of disease and moreover fierce African resistance.[53]

    Before the arrival of the Portuguese, slavery had already existed in Kingdom of Kongo. Despite its establishment within his kingdom, Afonso I of Kongo believed that the slave trade should be subject to Kongo law. When he suspected the Portuguese of receiving illegally enslaved persons to sell, he wrote letters to the King João III of Portugal in 1526 imploring him to put a stop to the practice.

    The kings of Dahomey sold their war captives into transatlantic slavery, who otherwise would have been killed in a ceremony known as the Annual Customs. As one of West Africa's principal slave states, Dahomey became extremely unpopular with neighbouring peoples.[54][55][56] Like the Bambara Empire to the east, the Khasso kingdoms depended heavily on the slave trade for their economy. A family's status was indicated by the number of slaves it owned, leading to wars for the sole purpose of taking more captives.

    This trade led the Khasso into increasing contact with the European settlements of the west coast, particularly the French.[57] Benin grew increasingly rich during the 16th and 17th centuries on the slave trade with Europe; enslaved people from enemy states of the interior were sold, and carried to the Americas in Dutch and Portuguese ships. The Bight of Benin's shore soon came to be known as the "Slave Coast".[58]

    Several historians, such as João C. Curto, have made important contributions to the global understanding of the African side of the Atlantic slave trade. By arguing that African merchants determined the assemblage of trade goods accepted in exchange for slaves, many historians argue for African agency and ultimately a shared responsibility for the slave"


    ^Thank you,stfu people..I know my shit..
  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    i know slaves have been around since forever
    i'm just saying you cant say whites/euros were the first to mistreat slaves the way they did
    they had to learn from someone

    Well you had different societies probably since the beggening of time.We have better records of the romans and then on til now.Different cultures also meant different ways of viewing slavery.Some was basically domestic workers others were property and you had people that couldnt even comprehend how you can own someone(the Quakers).
  • HurumaHuruma Posts: 2,284
    edited November 2011
    i know slaves have been around since forever
    i'm just saying you cant say whites/euros were the first to mistreat slaves the way they did
    they had to learn from someone

    But according to your logic, the people who taught Whites to be cruel couldn't have been the first to mistreat slaves they way they did either..

    I'm not saying Whites didn't learn their tactics from Africans (although I seriously doubt they would have consulted Africans for any other reason than economic trade) but you haven't shown that it's likely or probable for any reason. Cruelty is a part of our DNA, most of us don't need to learn it from someone else if we have a somewhat decent imagination.
  • Paul Hate.Paul Hate. Posts: 4,538
    edited November 2011
    Huruma wrote: »
    Like I said, 'probably'.




    Besides the fact that countless Africans then and none today had anything to do with the Atlantic slave trade, it makes no sense to resent people on behalf of people who belong to the same group you resent. Nobody has yet countered this point or explained how Black Americans/West Indians/Latinos are actually justified in resenting Africans for selling their ancestors into slavery when their own ancestors were themselves Africans.

    I dont resent shit and I dont deny shit.Im saying I dont feel no real bond or connection with africa other than the place my first slave ancestor came from.Very little else.You could well Dominican music and Food,yeah but thats a mesh of cultures not just african and the african it has comes from several different tribes.

    So whats the point at the end of the day.I dont say "oh well africans sold my ancestors into slavery,fuck them any old way"no..BUT I do realize they did and that I dont have much of a bond with them.

    Like I said,Black History in the Americas starts with Trans Atlantic slavery.Im from THIS side and have more things than african in me and mostly Western culture.Im not an african.
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