Reasonable doubt vs ILLmatic: which has aged better?

Law Trafalgar

Bruh did you call it personification? Ok then....

ItzGravitation

Illmatic doesnt have one song better than Devils
Dead Presidents

idoitforhiphop10

bigtim5099 wrote: »

Dude, you have to be an idiot to not catch the car reference, come on dude, are you serious?? Illmatic was simple lyrically, not off the chain. Personification is cute and all, but it is for 8th graders. And it doessnt take long to catch.. And U know it..

i think more so illmatic is held in high regards lyrically because of it's complex rhyme schemes. u seem to be catchin feelins bruh.

king hassan

I have to go with "Ilmatic" and it made me go find those soul and jazz samples!

Mumo X

usmarin3 wrote: »

So are you gonna answer the question or not? lmfao

what question? Why we comparin a masterpiece record that had a huge impact and changed the game to a forced classic?

longmeat

Neither sound dated to me. I'll 90 years old in a nursing home still vibing to politics as usual and it ain't hard to tell.

Wonderland

Jay Z's Catalouge


Reasonable Doubt - 7/10
Volume 1- 4/10
Volume 2 - 3/10
Volume 3 - 2/10
The Dynasty - 1.5/10
The Blueprint - 6/10
The Blueprint 2 - 1/10
The Black Album - 5.5/10
Kingdome Come - 1/10
American Gangster - 4.5/10
The Blueprint 3 - - 1/10

Best Of Both World's - 4/10
The Best Of Both World's 2 - 2/10
Watch The Throne - 5/10


Nas Catalouge


Illmatic - 10/10
It Was Witten - 9/10
I Am - 4/10
Nastradamus - 1.5/10
Stillmatic - 8/10
God's Son - 5/10
Street's Disciple - 1/10
Hip Hop Is Derad - 2/10
Untitled - 6.5/10


The Lost Tapes - 8.5/10
QB's Finest - 5/10
The Firm - - 7/10
Distant Relatives - 7.5/10

Wonderland

Jay Z has the better Flow, Delivery and much better Beat Selection and Hit making ability


Nas is the better Artist/Lyricist/Song Writer/Emcee and is the better Story Teller, more creative, much more Emotional/Personal and Substance

Wonderland

Battle wise Nas destroyed Jay Z with 'Ether'

infamous114

On production, Reasonable Doubt has aged better (still prefer Illmatic though)

Wonderland

Mumo X wrote: »

what question? Why we comparin a masterpiece record that had a huge impact and changed the game to a forced classic?

Reasonable Doubt is a 7/10 a good Album and Jay Z's best by far only reason Jay Z stan's try to say it's classic is cos it's Jay's best Album ever but it's a good Album with dope Songs like 'Can't Knock The Hustle' but also very weak Songs like 'Cashmere Thought's the best aspect of the Album was the Production it was a well Produced Album Jay Z was Flowing his best on the Album what he is best at but it's an Album that sound's boring and does not have the replay value to be a near classic but it's a good Album

Wonderland

Illmatic, It Was Written, Stillmatic, The Lost Tapes, The Firm, Distant Relatives>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reasonable Doubt


'NY State Of Mind', Memory Lane' Life's A Bitch' 'Ine Love' 'Represent' 'It Ain't Hard To Tell' ''One Time' 'Halftime' 'The World Is Yours' 'The Genesis'>>>>>>>>>Any Jay Z Song

Wonderland

Every collab Nas and Jay Z have done Nas has outshined Jay Z Lyrically


All Jay Z does is Flow but Nas actual Writes Thought Provking Lyrics get's Deep and put's Emotion and Passion in his Music

...MVP...

Wonderland wrote: »

Jay Z's Catalouge


Reasonable Doubt - 7/10
Volume 1- 4/10
Volume 2 - 3/10
Volume 3 - 2/10
The Dynasty - 1.5/10
The Blueprint - 6/10
The Blueprint 2 - 1/10
The Black Album - 5.5/10
Kingdome Come - 1/10
American Gangster - 4.5/10
The Blueprint 3 - - 1/10

Best Of Both World's - 4/10
The Best Of Both World's 2 - 2/10
Watch The Throne - 5/10


Nas Catalouge


Illmatic - 10/10
It Was Witten - 9/10
I Am - 4/10
Nastradamus - 1.5/10
Stillmatic - 8/10
God's Son - 5/10
Street's Disciple - 1/10
Hip Hop Is Derad - 2/10
Untitled - 6.5/10


The Lost Tapes - 8.5/10
QB's Finest - 5/10
The Firm - - 7/10
Distant Relatives - 7.5/10

When I first came to the IC I found that u and I actually agreed on quite a few things, such as the importance of content and subject matter in rap music.
But over time being here, I have come to the conclusion that you are incredibly insane...

infamous114

...MVP... wrote: »

When I first came to the IC I found that u and I actually agreed on quite a few things, such as the importance of content and subject matter in rap music.
But over time being here, I have come to the conclusion that you are incredibly insane...

yo ignore her....

pop duke

Wonderland wrote: »

reasonable doubt is a 7/10 a good album and jay z's best by far only reason jay z stan's try to say it's classic is cos it's jay's best album ever but it's a good album with dope songs like 'can't knock the hustle' but also very weak songs like 'cashmere thought's the best aspect of the album was the production it was a well produced album jay z was flowing his best on the album what he is best at but it's an album that sound's boring and does not have the replay value to be a near classic but it's a good album

chuuch!!!!

dalyricalbandit

Reasonable doubt

pop duke

Mumo X wrote: »

ILLmatic is hiphop's thriller. The Only hiphop albums that should be mentioned alongside ILLmatic be "It takes a Million" & "Paid in full". End of story.

This is definitely true in terms of impact & the quality of music just minus da sales ofcourse. And to sum it up Mumo any & everybody atleast 35 yrs old will agree,d#mn near anybody under 35 yrs will prolly disagree. Educate urselves ppl; Illmatic is hiphop's ultimate classic. Just ask ur favorite rapper u don't have to take my word

Valentinez A. Kaiser

pop duke wrote: »

This is definitely true in terms of impact & the quality of music just minus da sales ofcourse. And to sum it up Mumo any & everybody atleast 35 yrs old will agree,d#mn near anybody under 35 yrs will prolly disagree. Educate urselves ppl; Illmatic is hiphop's ultimate classic. Just ask ur favorite rapper u don't have to take my word

Nigga fuck outta here with that ageism bullshit!!!
I'm under 35 and think illmatic is easily top 5 hiphop albums of all time. The question was which has aged better which in itself is subjective.
I agree with everything dropped in post #2 though,

Built 4 cuban linx

Illmatic, But reasonable doubt is one of my favorite albums also

KeepinItHundred

ny state of mind, life's a bitch, the world is yours, memory lane, one love, and it ain't hard to tell are some of the greatest hip hop songs ever.
halftime, one time, and represent are classics but not on the level of the others

dead presidents, can i live, regrets, devils, feelin it, bring it on, can't knock the hustle are some of the greatest hip hop songs as well.
the rest of the songs are better than half time, represent and onetime for your mind, except for ain't no nigga.

so overall rd is better, partly because it was recorded in 95/96 and illmatic was recorded 92/93, before production became more superior(1995).

CoolJoe

I still bump both relatively regularly.
Illmatic does sound slightly dated though.

2 of the top 3 records in hip hop history though.

mryounggun

RD. This isn't even close. Illmatic sounds dated as hell with the production AND the flow (not that the flow wasn't immaculate).

pop duke

Valentinez A. Kaiser wrote: »

Nigga fuck outta here with that ageism bullshit!!!
I'm under 35 and think illmatic is easily top 5 hiphop albums of all time. The question was which has aged better which in itself is subjective.
I agree with everything dropped in post #2 though,

Ageism bullshit??? N*cca I can already tell U a YOUNG ass,hatin ass,uneducated ass,donkey of da day ass........15 yr old. And that's Y U caught feelings!! Listen lil n*cca,I stand by what I said & it obviously applies to yo ass so if da shoe fit homie,wear it & make sure ya bra & panties match. Dis is what I was talkin about Mumo,a bunch of youngins speakin on dis h.hop ish dat don't know ish. Dat's Y da convo is fuk'd up cause it isn't balanced. A bunch of Danielson's & very few Mr Myagi's

NothingButTheTruth

genstasia wrote: »

Illmatic is Illmatic but Reasonable Doubt has aged better. Ppl still Rapping to the Dead President Beat, Can I Live, and Feeling it.

And people are still doing Illmatic tributes etc.