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The Nag Hammadi Text and The Sethianism



  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 9,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2011
    Sethian Gnosticism

    Mainly following the lead of Hans-Martin Schenke of the Berliner (DDR) Arbeitskreis für koptisch-gnostische Schriften,1 current scholarship considers the following literature to be representative of Sethian Gnosticism:

    The Barbeloite report of Irenaeus (Haer. I.29);
    the reports on the Sethians (and Archontics) by Epiphanius (Pan. 26 and 39-40), Pseudo-Tertullian (Haer. 2) and Filastrius (Haer. 3);
    the untitled text from the Bruce Codex (Bruce);

    and the following treatises from the Nag Hammadi Codices and BG 8502:

    four versions of the Apocryphon of John (Ap. John BG8502, 2 and NHC III, 1 [short version];

    NHC II, 1 and IV, I [long version]);

    the Hypostasis of the Archons;

    the Gospel of the Egyptians;

    the Apocalypse of Adam;

    the Three Steles of Seth;


    the Thought of Norea;
    Allogenes, and Trimorphic Protennoia

    Part II - The Sethian Themes

    - SUB CONTENTS: (+ / -)

    A. Sophia Speculation

    B. Interpretation Of Genesis 2-6

    C. The Baptismal Rite

    D. Christianization

    E. The Platonic Contribution

    So far as I can see, most of the Sethian documents cited above originated in the period 100-250 C.E. They seem to derive their content from five basic complexes of doctrines:

    1. a fund of Hellenistic-Jewish speculation on the figure of Sophia, the divine wisdom;

    2. midrashic interpretation of Genesis 1-6 together with other assorted motifs from Jewish scripture and exegesis;

    3. a doctrine and practice of baptism;

    4. the developing Christology of the early church; and

    5. a religiously oriented Neopythagorean and Middle-Platonic philosophical tradition of ontological and theological speculation

    Hellenist Hebrews that took the doctrine of the greeks
    Your best rapper saying 'YES, MASSA', when they beat 'em - HELL RAZAH

  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 2,024 ✭✭
    edited January 2012
    This is the list of the comparative works of The Teachings of Amen-em-Ope
    Vs. King Solomon's

    Teachings of Amen-em-ope

    1.Give thine ear,and hear what I say,and apply thine heart to apprehend;
    It is good for thee to place them in thine heart, Let the rest in the casket of the belly. That they may act as a peg upon thy tongue

    2. Consider these thirty chapters; They delight,they instruct. Knowledge how to answer him that speaketh, and how to carry back a report to one that sent it.

    3. Beware of robbing the poor,and of opressing the afflicted.

    4. Associate not with a passionate man, nor approach him for conversations; leap not to cleave to such a one, the the terror carry not away.

    5. A scribe who is skillful in his business findeth himself worthy to be a courtier

    King Solomon's Proverbs

    1. Incline thine ear,and hear my words,and apply thine heart to apprehend;For it is pleasent if thou keep them in thy belly, That they may be fixed upon thy lips.

    2. Have I not written for thee,thirty saying, of counsels and knowledge; that thou mayest make known truth to him that speaketh.

    3. Rob not the poor for he is poor, neither oppress the lowly in the gate.

    4. Associate not with a passionate man,nor go with a wrathful man,lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.

    5. A man who is skillful in his business,shall stand before kings.
  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    beenwize wrote: »
    According to the Nag Hammadi gosepls they believe Yah/Jehova to be the DEMIURGE God of this material world. This is said to be all allegorical for representing the Sun and/or the planet Saturn... I was doing some research and I wonder why masonic organizations in past used the "all seeing eye" of Amen-Ra who is the Ancient Egyptian sun god? And why do certain masonic organizations use it today for the old testament god in freemason books and for Jehova witness pyramid???

    This is the Ancient Egyptian Masonic "all seeing eye" of Amen-Ra


    This is a book from a Masonic organization that uses the old testament god Jehova with the "all seeing eye"


    This is the Masonic Jehova witness pyrmaid


    This is the Masonic one dollar bill depicting the "all seeing eye"

    beenwize wrote: »
    Jay-Z aka Jay-Hova



    bambu wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »

    Not sure how you figure Yaldabaoth was the god of the old testament, remember the archons?

    “The names of glory of those who rule over the seven heavens are these:

    Yaldabaoth, called also Saklas and Samael
    Saturn.~~~~~~ Later illustrated in the Greek Saturnalia.
    Feminine name: Pronoia (Forethought) Sambathas, "week".
    Prophets:[9] Moses, Joshua, Amos, Habakkuk.
    From Hebrew yalda bahut, "Child of Chaos"? The outermost who created the six others, and therefore the chief ruler and Demiurge par excellence. Called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides.

    Feminine name: Lordship.
    Prophets: Samuel, Nathan, Jonah, Micah.
    Perhaps from Yahu, Yahweh, but possibly also from the magic cry iao in the Mysteries.

    Feminine name: Deity.
    Prophets: Elijah, Joel, Zechariah.
    The Old Testament title God of Hosts was thought a proper name, hence Jupiter Sabbas (Yahweh Sabaoth).

    Astaphanos, or Astaphaios
    Feminine name: Sophia (Wisdom).
    Prophets: Esdras, Zephaniah.
    Astraphaios is beyond doubt the planet Venus, as there are gnostic gems with a female figure and the legend ASTAPHE, which name is also used in magic spells as the name of a goddess.

    The Sun.
    Feminine name: Kingship.
    Prophets: Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Daniel.
    From the Hebrew term for "the Lord", used of God; Adonis of the Syrians representing the Winter sun in the cosmic tragedy of Tammuz. In the Mandaean system Adonaios represents the Sun.

    Elaios, or Ailoaios, or sometimes Ailoein
    Feminine name: Jealousy.
    Prophets: Tobias, Haggai.
    From Elohim, God (El).

    The Moon.
    Feminine name: Wealth.
    Prophets: Michaiah, Nahum.
    From Jaroah? or "light"? or Horus?

    This is the Seven of the week; these are the ones who govern the world.”

    Men need images..... Lacking them they invent idols.

  • janklowjanklow god's lonely man. Posts: 8,588 Regulator
    ...and it looks like we're bumping a six-month thread.
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