The Official 2011/2012 Los Angeles Lakers Thread

northside7

toheeb27 wrote: »

kacee139 wrote: »

Reading that piece seems like Mike Brown and the bench are the problem

There is no doubt that the Bench and Mike Brown are big issues. I just dont like when my fellow Laker fans act like Kobe is blameless. Dude is a part of the problem too.

I have called out Kobe a number of times. His late turnovers in Game 2 was the reason the Lakers lost that game.

NothingButTheTruth

SMH @ it being Kobe's fault like he wasn't the reason we were even hanging with the Thunder in the 1st place. Kobe tried to play more "team-like ball" in game 1 only for his team to get blown out by 30. So to counter that, they came up with a different game plan which involved the team riding Kobe most of the time, which worked a lot better than that "everyone gets near equal touches" bullshit.

In brief, if the Lakers want to be in contention they need to trade wackass "can't even make the all-star game b/c my brother took my spot" Gasoft and immature "I decide when I'm going to play defense" Bynum for people who WANT TO WIN as bad as Kobe.

And no, we don't need to pick up Odom again, because his cons outweigh his pros. Like Gasol he's extremely soft and like Bynum he decides when he wants to play hard.

yroholla

Kobe is the team leader....he should be checking Bynum whenever he was acting immature and he shoulda checked Gasol more often for playing "soft".....Mike Brown is clearly a clown, but can coach a lil bit on defense, I thought we all knew this when he was in Cleveland.....all the Lakers really need is a reliable PG....try keep either Bynum or Gasol somehow and get a real PG and everything will fall into place so long as Kobe isnt taking 20+ shots per game again cause at his age he wont shoot over 45% again taking that many shots

playmaker88

yroholla wrote: »

Kobe is the team leader....he should be checking Bynum whenever he was acting immature and he shoulda checked Gasol more often for playing "soft".....Mike Brown is clearly a clown, but can coach a lil bit on defense, I thought we all knew this when he was in Cleveland.....all the Lakers really need is a reliable PG....try keep either Bynum or Gasol somehow and get a real PG and everything will fall into place so long as Kobe isnt taking 20+ shots per game again cause at his age he wont shoot over 45% again taking that many shots

they both need to go but.. somehow i think Jim buss bitch ass aint gonna move bynum he loves the kids as if he adopted him.. And kobe willbe taking 20+shots that just what he does. The quality of shots will go up once he gets to operate in the space thats afforded to alot of other players via shooters and someone that can create their own offense effectively

NothingButTheTruth

yroholla wrote: »

Kobe is the team leader....he should be checking Bynum whenever he was acting immature and he shoulda checked Gasol more often for playing "soft".....Mike Brown is clearly a clown, but can coach a lil bit on defense, I thought we all knew this when he was in Cleveland.....all the Lakers really need is a reliable PG....try keep either Bynum or Gasol somehow and get a real PG and everything will fall into place so long as Kobe isnt taking 20+ shots per game again cause at his age he wont shoot over 45% again taking that many shots

Bruh you can check someone all you want, but if they don't want to listen, they don't have to. Do you really think Kobe didn't tell both of them him off a few times? Bynum acts that way because it's his personality, as in you can't change it .. and the same thing with Gasol. When they're in their natural state of play, Bynum is immature and Gasol plays soft. It's only worse with Gasol because his skills are falling off as well.
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I disagree that Mike Brown is a clown, dude didn't get enough time to put his stamp on the team due to the lockout. Stop acting like it was a full season with training camp and all that, stop acting like he had time to really learn his team, stop acting like he didn't take Lebron's wackass team to 2 number 1 records and a Finals to add on to that. Basically, just give him a fair chance before you shit on him.
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And what do you mean by reliable PG. If you mean Deron Williams or Chris Paul, then yes. If you mean random PG with b-ball IQ ... HELL NO! Fans of other teams, always act like the Lakers only need a little tweak here and there, making it clear you don't watch the games like we do. ...

Also, Kobe is going to take his 20+ shots. Do you really expect someone who's puts in more work than everyone and is still one of the best in the league to change his game? Get it through your head, Kobe will NEVER CHANGE HIS GAME. He works harder than everyone else, his confidence is through the roof, and he's still effective. The day Kobe has to change his game, is the day he'll request a trade or retire. That's the difference between good and great. Dwyane Wade (good) is okay with letting his game suffer and becoming the Pippen (if that) of the group, while Kobe, Jordan (great) will always be the top dog because that's the way it is.

peradime

yroholla wrote: »

Kobe is the team leader....he should be checking Bynum whenever he was acting immature and he shoulda checked Gasol more often for playing "soft".....Mike Brown is clearly a clown, but can coach a lil bit on defense, I thought we all knew this when he was in Cleveland.....all the Lakers really need is a reliable PG....try keep either Bynum or Gasol somehow and get a real PG and everything will fall into place so long as Kobe isnt taking 20+ shots per game again cause at his age he wont shoot over 45% again taking that many shots

Yup...all they need is a reliable pg like you said. We also need more consistent Offense from the SF position, it's way to unpredictable who will show up like Metta or Barnes or Ebanks. We also need a solid bench that shows up every game and not once in a while. Inconsistency is killing them.

kacee139

yroholla wrote: »

Kobe is the team leader....he should be checking Bynum whenever he was acting immature and he shoulda checked Gasol more often for playing "soft".....Mike Brown is clearly a clown, but can coach a lil bit on defense, I thought we all knew this when he was in Cleveland.....all the Lakers really need is a reliable PG....try keep either Bynum or Gasol somehow and get a real PG and everything will fall into place so long as Kobe isnt taking 20+ shots per game again cause at his age he wont shoot over 45% again taking that many shots

Fisher was the team leader.... Kobe was the bad cop and Fish was good cop.... Kobe aint got time to babysit and cater to other immature players he 16 years in.... its now or neva wit Bean

northside7

kacee139 wrote: »

yroholla wrote: »

Kobe is the team leader....he should be checking Bynum whenever he was acting immature and he shoulda checked Gasol more often for playing "soft".....Mike Brown is clearly a clown, but can coach a lil bit on defense, I thought we all knew this when he was in Cleveland.....all the Lakers really need is a reliable PG....try keep either Bynum or Gasol somehow and get a real PG and everything will fall into place so long as Kobe isnt taking 20+ shots per game again cause at his age he wont shoot over 45% again taking that many shots

Fisher was the team leader.... Kobe was the bad cop and Fish was good cop.... Kobe aint got time to babysit and cater to other immature players he 16 years in.... its now or neva wit Bean

The bold is the truth.

Idgaf Bynum is 24 not 16, nobodies gonna make him mature but himself.

killap

Lots of truth in this thread, I cant wait to see what the offseason holds.

kacee139

By Mike Bresnahan
June 4, 2012, 3:30 p.m.
The Lakers have officially picked up Andrew Bynum's $16.1-million option, The Times has learned.

It will be the last year remaining on the contract of the 24-year-old center, who became an All-Star this season for the first time.

The move was merely a formality. Bynum replaced four-time All-Star Pau Gasol as the Lakers' second-best player this season.

Bynum was second-team All-NBA at center while Gasol was third-team All-NBA at forward.

The Lakers had until June 30 to exercise their option on Bynum.

Bynum had some ill-conceived moments this season, including a well-documented three-point attempt in the third quarter of a close game at Golden State, but he realized much of the on-court potential that loomed above him much of his career.

He averaged 18.7 points and 11.8 rebounds this season.

saracenwire

The truth of the matter is the only way the Lakers can get better is if they either trade Bynum or they suck it up and amnesty Kobe.

We're looking at this season in a vacum. They were swept out of the second round last year with Phil as the coach, and with Kobe not jacking up shots. They just aren't good enough. Kobe is still one of the top 5 players in the game, expecting him to change his game 16 years just isn't realistic. Especially when Bynum has such a hard time scoring against legitimate defense( no one brings this up, even though it was obvious all season). If the Lakers a re going to build around Bynum, they nee d to actually build arund him. They need a real point gaurd who can run an offense, shooters to spread floor, and an athletic wing. They can't get those things with Kobe on the team. It would be a Pr nightmare( LA would literally riot) but it's the best for the team.

playmaker88

saracenwire wrote: »

The truth of the matter is the only way the Lakers can get better is if they either trade Bynum or they suck it up and amnesty Kobe.

We're looking at this season in a vacum. They were swept out of the second round last year with Phil as the coach, and with Kobe not jacking up shots. They just aren't good enough. Kobe is still one of the top 5 players in the game, expecting him to change his game 16 years just isn't realistic. Especially when Bynum has such a hard time scoring against legitimate defense( no one brings this up, even though it was obvious all season). If the Lakers a re going to build around Bynum, they nee d to actually build arund him. They need a real point gaurd who can run an offense, shooters to spread floor, and an athletic wing. They can't get those things with Kobe on the team. It would be a Pr nightmare( LA would literally riot) but it's the best for the team.

NO.


you get space makers and shot creators period

toheeb27

saracenwire wrote: »

The truth of the matter is the only way the Lakers can get better is if they either trade Bynum or they suck it up and amnesty Kobe.

We're looking at this season in a vacum. They were swept out of the second round last year with Phil as the coach, and with Kobe not jacking up shots. They just aren't good enough. Kobe is still one of the top 5 players in the game, expecting him to change his game 16 years just isn't realistic. Especially when Bynum has such a hard time scoring against legitimate defense( no one brings this up, even though it was obvious all season). If the Lakers a re going to build around Bynum, they nee d to actually build arund him. They need a real point gaurd who can run an offense, shooters to spread floor, and an athletic wing. They can't get those things with Kobe on the team. It would be a Pr nightmare( LA would literally riot) but it's the best for the team.

LOL, i have seriously pondered the "Amnesty Kobe" option. But the "Cons" severely outweigh the "Pros".

DaBull

Kobe would be on the 1st flight to Chicago if LA were to Amnesty him....i dont think it makes any business sense to pay a player $25 million dollars to play for another team....now if he had a career-ending injury, i would understand

Inglewood_B

^^^ best case scenario, they get him to adjust that cap crippling contract. otherwise just eat it. amnestying him makes no business or basketball sense. what free agent out there can replace that kinda production?

Tommy bilfiger

You cant restructure contracts in the nba only the nfl

After ya'll trade gasol you wont get out the 1st round again

#perennial5seedsandlowerand1stroundexitscomingsoon

northside7

Inglewood_B wrote: »

^^^ best case scenario, they get him to adjust that cap crippling contract. otherwise just eat it. amnestying him makes no business or basketball sense. what free agent out there can replace that kinda production?

None..

CopperKing

Tommy bilfiger wrote: »

You cant restructure contracts in the nba only the nfl

After ya'll trade gasol you wont get out the 1st round again

#perennial5seedsandlowerand1stroundexitscomingsoon

even marc gasol would disagree with that

newOldSchool

Use that trade exception for a 6th man quality player, preferably a guard. Jason Terry is out there, Steve Nash is out there. If not than trade Gasol for a starter and a strong bench player.

buttuh_b

newOldSchool wrote: »

Use that trade exception for a 6th man quality player, preferably a guard. Jason Terry is out there, Steve Nash is out there. If not than trade Gasol for a starter and a strong bench player.

I thought we used the trade exception for Ramon Sessions.

goodlookinout

May or may not be something to read into

L.A. hosts Brandon Roy Will Brandon Roy make his NBA comeback as a Laker? While the question of Roy possibly teaming up with Kobe Bryant remains unanswered, Sportando reveals that during the last few days, Roy was indeed – L.A. bound Will Brandon Roy make his NBA comeback as a Laker? While the question of Roy possibly teaming up with Kobe Bryant remains unanswered, Sportando reveals that during the last few days, Roy was indeed – L.A. bound.

Sources close to the player confirmed, "Brandon (Roy) landed in Los Angeles on Monday and is scheduled to leave on Friday."

During his stay in L.A. it is unknown whether or not Roy met with the Lakers' coaching or medical staff, however, he is currently undergoing a series of private medical procedures on his knees. "Tuesday was the first of a series of treatment Roy's going through. He's doing something similar to the treatment Kobe Bryant had on his right knee. It can only help," added the source.

Those who've recently seen and played Roy are convinced he's a much better player then he was in the past (which is kind of scary). Recent rumors circulating around the United States are indicating that the Lakers showed interest in the Former 2007 Rookie of the Year.

That said, "Roy is positively thinking about coming back next season. We like L.A. a lot. Growing up, the Lakers were Brandon's favorite team."

The Dallas Mavericks were also mentioned as a potential destination for Roy.

ATTS

goodlookinout wrote: »

May or may not be something to read into

L.A. hosts Brandon Roy Will Brandon Roy make his NBA comeback as a Laker? While the question of Roy possibly teaming up with Kobe Bryant remains unanswered, Sportando reveals that during the last few days, Roy was indeed – L.A. bound Will Brandon Roy make his NBA comeback as a Laker? While the question of Roy possibly teaming up with Kobe Bryant remains unanswered, Sportando reveals that during the last few days, Roy was indeed – L.A. bound.

Sources close to the player confirmed, "Brandon (Roy) landed in Los Angeles on Monday and is scheduled to leave on Friday."

During his stay in L.A. it is unknown whether or not Roy met with the Lakers' coaching or medical staff, however, he is currently undergoing a series of private medical procedures on his knees. "Tuesday was the first of a series of treatment Roy's going through. He's doing something similar to the treatment Kobe Bryant had on his right knee. It can only help," added the source.

Those who've recently seen and played Roy are convinced he's a much better player then he was in the past (which is kind of scary). Recent rumors circulating around the United States are indicating that the Lakers showed interest in the Former 2007 Rookie of the Year.

That said, "Roy is positively thinking about coming back next season. We like L.A. a lot. Growing up, the Lakers were Brandon's favorite team."

The Dallas Mavericks were also mentioned as a potential destination for Roy.

if healthy.....roy is worth the risk//////

also lakers need to go after andre igodala........gasol for iggy

killap

Brandon Roy could be a nice add, hopefully he hollas at Kobe's knee Dr lol...but yea lets lose the dead weight on the squad...we definitely signed some bums last yr...to amnesty Kobe is crazy talk. I think we can make an attractive offer for Deron, we would lose Gasol but hey thats life

kacee139

Kobe, Bynum headed back to Germany for knee procedure
Kurt Helin Jun 7, 2012, 5:56 PM EDT
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Reuters
Last summer, Kobe Bryant made a trip to Germany to have an experimental procedure on his knee. Then he showed up this season jumping out of the building again and everybody wanted one. Even Alex Rodriguez got the knee procedure.

This summer Kobe and Lakers center Andrew Bynum are going to the land of beer and schnitzel for another round of the procedure, Lakers trainer Gary Vitti told Lakers reporter Mike Trudell.

Gary Vitti also tells us that Kobe will go back to see Dr. Peter Wehling in Germany for Orthokine/Regenokine treatment.

Vitti on Bynum: “I’ve already spoken to the Dr. in Germany regarding Andrew going through the same procedure as Kobe did.”

Kobe will already be in Europe as part of Team USA, and Bynum goes to Germany every summer anyway.

It’s good news for the Lakers, although far from a cure all. The question is will the Lakers get the benefit of the procedure or some other team after the trade.

newOldSchool

buttuh_b wrote: »

newOldSchool wrote: »

Use that trade exception for a 6th man quality player, preferably a guard. Jason Terry is out there, Steve Nash is out there. If not than trade Gasol for a starter and a strong bench player.

I thought we used the trade exception for Ramon Sessions.

Naw man... That was a straight up deal. we sent them some players and a draft pick. We still have that exception.