Hebrewism of west africa and hebrews slaves that brought our culture to america

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edited January 2012 in R & R (Religion and Race)
SHALOM BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND MAY YAHUWAH CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU, With so much lies, confusion and half ass research it's hard for for Hebrews who's coming to knowledge, i was going to continue my Hebrew that i had early in they year and pick up where it was left off and was merge on accident by Hebrew blood brother Solomon but i decide to do that later, i have to go back in my notes and the hebrew thread to and copy and paste things so i can continue with new facts from other source.

But this thread is going to debunk all these lies that we are not Hebrews, we going to see if the Slaves who came to america and wrote memoirs have to say about that, we going to see what the slave traders who have to speak Hebrew to his slaves have to see about that.

WHAT ABOUT THE GREAT KINGDOMS HEBREWS BUILT IN WEST AFRICA and when going to see how they migrate from east africa to south africa, some that stayed in the subhara desert and those kept on moving west.

We going to learn how the Hebrews not only had to run from the greeks and romans, but Muslims and CHRISTIANS. see let these false niggas on here tell it Hebrews and Christians are the same thing.

No!!!! christians that took our heritage and made it to a religion with hellenist doctrine tried to covert us from Moses teaching to this new thing called christianity and we ran from them and their sword.

and that's why the so-called scholars will bring up all type of books that try to debunk hebrews but don't mention these books.


We, the Black Jews: Witness to the 'White Jewish Race' Myth, Volumes I & II (in One)


From Babylon to Timbuktu: A History of the Ancient Black Races Including the Black Hebrews

The Valley of the Dry Bones: The Conditions That Face Black People in America Today

Into Egypt Again With Ships: A Message To The Forgotten Israelites

Hebrew or the So-Called Negro?

Hebrewisms of West Africa

The Hebrew Heritage of Black Africa Fully Documented

The Truth About Black Biblical Hebrew-Israelites (Jews: the Worlds Best Kept Secret)


of course they wouldn't.
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  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    so before i start i will gather information from different source and if any Hebrew Breathen who post here and used to post here and lurking please add to this thread with your knowledge and to those Hebrews that lurks if you want to ask questions, sign up and hopefully some Hebrews can answer your questions.


    shalom
  • One SpliffOne Spliff Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭
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    OAHSPE BIBLE



    GODS FIRST BOOK CHAPTER XII


    25. And it shall come to pass upon my chosen that they shall be driven from place to place, whither I will lead them; and they shall make the waste lands to bloom like gardens, and the deserts to yield ample harvests; for they shall dig wells, and till the soil, and prove unto the nations of the earth the glory of thy works.

    26. And they shall be cut down and driven away, and scattered, but I will come and gather them together. Their places shall be inherited by idolators and worshippers of strange gods, who will build mighty temples. But my people shall not build in stone, nor wood, nor iron, that shall endure; for they shall go from place to place, proclaiming me and my works; but where they have been, there shall be nothing left on the earth to show their labors.

    27. But when I have taken them across all the earth, and they are scattered as dust before the wind, and no man can say: Here is a nation of the children of Abraham, lo. I will raise up my voice for them, even I, the God of heaven and earth. And in that day the idolators and worshippers of strange Gods will be on the wane; their temples of stone and mortar will still be standing.

    28. But a voice shall go up from the whole earth, even from the far-off nations of the earth, saying: What of them who laid the foundations of the temple of ONE GOD, EVEN JEHOVIH! Who were the sons and daughters of Abraham! O that mine eyes could have beholden the Faithists of that!

  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    One Spliff wrote: »
    OAHSPE BIBLE



    GODS FIRST BOOK CHAPTER XII


    25. And it shall come to pass upon my chosen that they shall be driven from place to place, whither I will lead them; and they shall make the waste lands to bloom like gardens, and the deserts to yield ample harvests; for they shall dig wells, and till the soil, and prove unto the nations of the earth the glory of thy works.

    26. And they shall be cut down and driven away, and scattered, but I will come and gather them together. Their places shall be inherited by idolators and worshippers of strange gods, who will build mighty temples. But my people shall not build in stone, nor wood, nor iron, that shall endure; for they shall go from place to place, proclaiming me and my works; but where they have been, there shall be nothing left on the earth to show their labors.

    27. But when I have taken them across all the earth, and they are scattered as dust before the wind, and no man can say: Here is a nation of the children of Abraham, lo. I will raise up my voice for them, even I, the God of heaven and earth. And in that day the idolators and worshippers of strange Gods will be on the wane; their temples of stone and mortar will still be standing.

    28. But a voice shall go up from the whole earth, even from the far-off nations of the earth, saying: What of them who laid the foundations of the temple of ONE GOD, EVEN JEHOVIH! Who were the sons and daughters of Abraham! O that mine eyes could have beholden the Faithists of that!



    you still pushing that Oasphe, ok........... but im telling you if you want to continue our discussion this thread is not for it we can go to the hebrew thread, JUST RESPECT THAT REQUEST...... SHALOM
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    "And it shall come to pass in that day, that Yah shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people which shall be left from Assyria, and from Egypt and from Pathros (upper and lower Egypt) and from Cush (Ethiopia) and from Hamath, and from , the islands of the sea (Jamaica, Haiti, Cuba, etc)."
    Isaiah 11:11
    In the first place, many Hebrewisms were discovered in the Ashanti tribal customs. Then several Ashanti words were found to have a striking resemblance to those of equivalent Hebrew meaning. Finally, the Supreme Being of the Ashanti gave strong indication of being the Yahweh of the Old Testament. It was indeed surprising how many Hebrewisms, either real or at least apparent, were to be found among the unislamised tribes."

    Taken from the book Hebrewisms of West Africa, by Joseph J. Williams
    (copy written in the 1930's) Pages 22 & 23




    It's a historical fact that the mass majority of captive slaves brought to the Americas, came from West Africa, although some were brought from East Africa, they were the minority. The west African tribal nations that our forefathers were taken from, have many ancient Hebrew customs in there culture. The KAFFIR, BO, GREBO, MARIBUCK, MAVUMBA, AKRA, FANTI, AKIN, YORUBA, KONGO, AND ASHANTI. Just to name a few of the many sub-Saharan nations that engage in ancient Israelite rituals.

    Such rituals includes

    CIRCUMCISION,
    THE DIVISION OF THEIR TRIBES INTO TWELVE, BLOOD SPRINKLING UPON THEIR ALTARS AND DOOR POSTS,
    MARRYING OF THEIR BROTHER'S WIFE AFTER DEATH,
    SEPARATION AND PURIFICATION AFTER CHILD BIRTH,
    UNCLEANNESS DURING CHILD BIRTH,
    UNCLEANNESS DURING MENSTRUATION
    NEW MOON CELEBRATIONS.
    Plus many more.
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  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    NOTE SOME OF THESE QUOTES STILL ARE FROM PEOPLE THAT'S NEW TO HEBREW HERITAGE IS STILL USE PAGAN'S NAME FOR YAHUWAH, BROTHER JUDAHXULU ALREADY broke it down hopefully he can come in here and correct anything that's is false



    Among the ASHANTI tribe the priesthood is hereditary to a specific family such a family has little or no possessions, is exempt from all taxes, supplied with food and advises the king. Compare this with the Levities of ancient Israel and you will see that both are exactly the same.

    The name ASHANTI has Hebrew origins, the "TI" at the end means race of or people of, Ashan was the name of a city located in southern Israel Judah (Joshua 15:42 - 19:7 / 1st chronicles 4:32 - 6:59).

    The word Ashan in Hebrew means smoke city / burning city. ASHANTI means the people of Ashan or the people of the smoke city, This was the reference to the city of Ashan after the Romans destroyed it in 70 C.E.

    In a very informative book entitled HEBREWISM OF WEST AFRICA By Joseph J Williams. He gives detailed description of the Hebrew customs in many of the west African tribes. These were the tribes who were the main suppliers of slaves during the slave trade. And these are the tribes that the majority of Hebrews in the west are descendant from. I will present a few excerpts from his book, and this should further convince you of who the children of Israel are.
  • One SpliffOne Spliff Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭
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    waterproof wrote: »
    you still pushing that Oasphe, ok........... but im telling you if you want to continue our discussion this thread is not for it we can go to the hebrew thread, JUST RESPECT THAT REQUEST...... SHALOM

    i was simply contributing to the thread.

    the scrip i posted speaks of the scattering and regathering of israel, which is relevant to this thread.
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In a very informative book entitled HEBREWISM OF WEST AFRICA By Joseph J Williams. He gives detailed description of the Hebrew customs in many of the west African tribes. These were the tribes who were the main suppliers of slaves during the slave trade. And these are the tribes that the majority of Hebrews in the west are descendant from. I will present a few excerpts from his book, and this should further convince you of who the children of Israel are.

    NOTE: I must say here that this book was written in the 1930's and the author who is white quotes some "racist" authors, from as far back as the 1700's. He also makes some misguided comments himself, as he tries to find out how so much Hebrew culture and lifestyle, got to West Africa. He would have known the answer to that had he known the prophecies. But nonetheless there is still A LOT OF useful information contained in HIS book.

    PAGE 22 In the first place, many Hebrewism were discovered in the ASHANTI tribal customs. Then, several ASHANTI words were found to have a striking resemblance to those of equivalent Hebrew meaning. finally the supreme being of the ASHANTI gave a strong indication of being the "Yahweh" (YHWH) of the "old testament".

    PAGE 23, It was indeed surprising how many HEBREWISM, either real or at least apparent, were to be found among the unislamised tribes.

    PAGE 52 In both ASHANTI and Hebrew the traditional vowel sound is equally important for the true signification of words.

    PAGE 56, Thus in conjugation of the verb the ASHANTI prefix the personal pronouns to the verb stem, the same as it is found in the imperfect of Hebrew.

    PAGE 61, One cannot help being impressed by the number of customs and practices there described that find their counter part among the ancient Hebrews. Thus, for example the Mosaic law of intra-tribal-marriages, which was devised expressly to preserve the inheritance of the daughters in the tribe and family of their father (NUMBERS 36:12) finds a close verification among the ASHANTI of today. And the cross-cousin marriages, so characteristic of the latter, are strictly similar to that of the daughter of salphadd who wedded the sons of their uncle by their father (NUMBERS 36:2). Again the preserving of certain names in a family is as much sought after by the ASHANTI as it was of old among the Hebrews, as shown in the case of naming of John the Baptist when the objection was made, "there is none of your Kindred that is called by this name" (Luke 1:61).

    PAGE 62, So also the remarkable simplicity of the ASHANTI marriage and the distinctive part that wine plays in the ceremonial reminds one of the ancient Hebrews.

    PAGE 63, Not only in the marriage ceremony itself but also in after marriage customs there is a strange similarity between the ASHANTI and the Hebrews. Thus, for example, for 8 days after the birth of a child the ASHANTI "mother is considered as unclean". It is only on the 8th day, at the Ntetea that the child receives its personal name, and on the 40th day a still further ceremony has to be observe. In all this we are certainly reminded of Hebrew customs. Further, the ASHANTI women at the menstrual period, even to the retirement to the bara hut, read like a page borrowed from the book of Leviticus, (15:19-20). And the system of ASHANTI ablution to prevent legal uncleanness constantly brings to mind similar practices which were common among Hebrews.

    PAGE 66, Thus far, however, we have shown certain cultural elements common to the ASHANTI and the ancient Hebrews, such as the ob cult, religious dances, use of "Amen", vowel value, patriarchal system, parallel symbolism of Authority in "stool" and "chair", endogamy, cross-cousin marriages, familiar names, exogamy, simplicity of marriage rite and the part wine plays in the ceremony, uncleanness after child birth, purification ceremony, Menstrual seclusion. and ceremonial ablutions; besides ASHANTI loan words of apparent Hebrew origin.

    PAGE 70, For they ascribe to god the attributes of omnipresence, omniscience, and Invisibility, besides which they believe that he governs all things by providence. By reason god is invisible, they say it would be absurd to make any corporeal representation of him. Wherefore they have such multitude of Images of their Idol gods which they take to be subordinate deities to the supreme god.

    PAGE 72, In the very fact that the Hebrews, despite their service of the true god frequently relapsed into idolatry. Captain Rattray, finds a parallelism with the ASHANTI, where, as Bosman noted, one finds a belief in a supreme being side by side with multitudes of their idol Gods.

    PAGE 78, And there is a common saying among the ASHANTI: no priest may look upon the face of his God and live which sounds remarkably like an echo of "Yahweh's" (YHWH) warning to Moses at Mount Sinai "Thou canst see my face for man shall not see me and live".

    PAGE 80, The supreme being of the ASHANTI is identical with the god of the Christians, the Yahweh of the old testament: and further that their tribal worship is strangely parallel to that of the divided worship that existed in Jerusalem immediately prior to the Babylonian exile, as we will see later in more detail.

    PAGE 82, The breastplate on the central figure, the Herald (Osene), who is called by Stanley the Town-Crier, is strikingly similar to the breast plate of the High Priest among the Ancient Hebrews, even to its division into twelve parts. The head dress of the Herald, too with its gold disc in front satisfies the description of the miznefet as given in the Jewish Encyclopedia. "A tiara, or perhaps a peculiarly wound turban, with a peak, the front of which bore a gold plate with inscription "Holy unto YHWH". However, the division of the breast plate into twelve parts is certainly distinctive. So also is the head dress with gold disc in front.

    PAGE 83, The ASHANTI Myth might thus record progressive stages in the manifestation of "Yahweh" (YHWH) to the Hebrews; the burning bush; Sinai and the Covenant, that established the Nation as God's Chosen People.
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The Israelites went to West Africa Part 2 OF 4
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  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A Shofar is a horn (Trumpet) Made from a Ram's Horn. It was used in Ancient Israel to announce the gathering of the people for different events, Such as war.

    JOSHUA 6:4-5- And Seven priest shall bear before the ark seven shofar's of rams' horns: and the seventh day you shall compass the city seven times and the priest shall blow with the shofar's And It shall come to pass, That when they make a long blast with the ram's horn and when you hear the sound of the shofar, all the people shall shout with a great shout.....


    This is only a few of the many comparisons he found out that existed among just ONE of the tribes that we (in the west) are descendant from. It would be way to lengthy to include all the tribes of west Africa who have Hebrew culture.

    Today all of Africa has been lumped into one, Meaning that "All black skinned people are of the same culture, customs, etc." So as a consequence all this Hebrewism has went unnoticed by the world at large. Most of the customs that are taught to us as being "Traditional" African culture are actually cultural traits that can be found right in the first five books of your bible.
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    BUT, BUT, BUT the Hebrews are not real they wasnt brought to america. See The Hebrew had their original texts but because we heathens was killing us and destroying our holy books we had to study them books by memory and hid the originals text's. so it was pass down from generation to generation by mouth. Hebrew is our heritage we knew about yahushua BUT WE didn't know about the new testament. so when we as in america as slaves we still pass it down by mouth, and after a hunderds of years of slavery when we finally can even take a look at the bible we was shock what we found, the old testament was talking about us that' why they kept the old testament from us.

    but before we can even learn about the bible was was singin in the field about caanann and moses, let my people go and singin KUMBAYAH.
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    LET'S SEE WHAT A BLACK HEBREW WHO WAS A SLAVE SAID, HOW HE WAS SHOCK WHEN HE FIRST READ THE SCRIPTURES.

    In the slave Narrative by Olaudah Equiano, He tells of how his native customs is parallel to the Hebrews customs found in the bible,

    He says:

    "Like the Israelites in their primitive state, our government was conducted by our chiefs or Judges, our wisemen, and elders; and the head of a family, with, enjoyed a similar authority over his household with that which is ascribed to Abraham and the other patriarchs. The law of retaliation prevailed almost universally with us as with them; and even their religion appeared to have shed upon us a ray of its glory, though broken and spent in its passage. or eclipse by the cloud with which time , tradition, and ignorance might have enveloped it. For we had our circumcision ( a rite I believe, peculiar to that people) we had also our sacrifices and burnt-offerings, our washing and purification, on the same occasions as they had".

    "I came at length to a country, the inhabitants of which differed from us in all these particulars. I was very much struck with this difference, especially when I came among a people who did not circumcise, AND WHO ATE WITHOUT WASHING THEIR HANDS".
    Olaudah couldn't believe these people ate without washing their hands. Just as it states to us in the book of Matthew
    Matthew 15:1-2,”Then came to Yahshuah scribes and Pharisees which were of Jerusalem, saying

    (2) Why do your disciples transgress the tradition of the Elders? FOR THEY WASH NOT THEIR HANDS WHEN THEY EAT BREAD.




    ^^^^^^^^^YOU SEE HEBREW IS A HERITAGE THAT'S WHO WE ARE, but let these false ass serpent niggas tell it
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    waterproof wrote: »
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    waterproof wrote: »
    The Israelites went to West Africa Part 2 OF 4
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    The Israelites Went To West Africa Part 3 OF 4

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  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In a article by William Levi Ochan Ajjugo who is a member of the Madi tribe in the country of Sudan. He tells of the Hebrew customs among his and other tribes in the Sudan.

    "When most people think of Judaism in black Africa, they think of the so-called Falashas, Bet Israel, Ethiopian Jews who have kept the essentials of biblical Judaism despite being isolated geographically from other Jews for thousands of years.

    The Falashas are in fact the tip of the iceberg. Judaism came to Africa long before Islam or even Christianity, itself an early arrival. Hebrews have been in Africa hundreds of years before the exodus from Egypt. So influential was ancient Judaism in northern and eastern Africa that anthropologists have devised a test to tell whether a given tribe or people has Hebraic roots: It does so if males are circumcised at age of 1 or earlier.

    I am from South Sudan, the largely Christian, African portion of the Sudan, which has long been dominated by Arab Muslims to the north, in Khartoum. I am from a tribe called the Madi, and while we did not retain Judaism as thoroughly as did the Falashas in neighboring Ethiopia, I am amazed as I look back at how many of our customs seem to have come from the Hebrew Scriptures.

    Among Christians and non- Christians like, one G-d was worshiped. As in the Book of Leviticus, blood sacrifices were offered for sins. The worst sins required the sacrifice of a sheep, the ones below these a Goat, and the "least" sins a chicken. A hereditary group of elders or priests decided which to sacrifice, and presided over these and other ceremonies.

    Dietary laws were practiced; certain animals were "unclean" and could not be eaten. Ceremonial washing of hands was required when leaving home. Certain days of the year were set apart as holy. On such days, all was pledged to the one G-d of the heavens who forgave sins.

    The Madi also use a ram's horn ("bilah") to call people together for various purposes. My father, who was an hereditary elder, would often blow the bilah to gather the people together for a ceremony or to discuss a matter of importance.

    If a man died, his brother married his widow. This is in Leviticus, and also is imbedded in Madi culture, as is the "kinsman-redeemer" custom found in the Book of Ruth in connection with Boaz's marrying Ruth. In Ruth 4:7, it says that "in earlier times in Israel", the redemption and transfer of property became final when one party took off his sandal and gave it to the other. This is precisely what the Madi did when I was growing up.

    In Deuteronomy 15:19, the children of Israel were commanded to set apart for the L-rd all first-born males of their herds and flocks. None were to be put to work or, in the case of sheep, shorn. Again, this is a Madi custom as well.

    Many of these customs are also practiced by other tribes in the Sudan. One Madi custom, though, is most striking in its obvious implication: All males are circumcised -- as I was -- on the 8th day.

    When I was growing up, I did not know that any of these were "Jewish" customs. It was only when I began studying the Bible that the connection became clear. Most tribes who practice these customs do not know what "Jewish" means; they only know that these are the ways of their own forefathers.

    Christian missionaries have long misinterpreted these "ways", especially missionaries from denominations which de- emphasize the "Old" Testament. Many labeled groups like Madi "pagan", "animist", or, incredibly, "without religion."

    Today, the Islamic fundamentalists who rule the Sudan use similar terms to describe the tribes of South Sudan, including the Madi. Unlike the Christian missionaries of the past, however, the Islamicists know better. On more than one occasion, I was called "Jew" in a disparaging way by Muslims when I was living in the Sudan.

    The current Islamic regime in Sudan is waging a jihad -- a war of extermination -- against the people and tribes of South Sudan. Almost 3 million of my people have been butchered in a genocide that is worse than anything the world has seen since the Holocaust. Those who know of this under reported slaughter rightly see it as religious in nature -- a war of Islamic imperialism against largely Christian South Sudan. It is also a cultural war of Arab- dominated culture against African culture. And part and parcel of African culture -- at least in this area of Africa -- are the remnants of Judaism.

    For those would like to see such remnants preserved, here is yet another reason to stand up for the brave people of South Sudan".

    Those brothers and sisters in the Southern Sudan are Israelites, These Hebrews are still being taken captive and put into slavery in the Sudan, they are suffering the curses of Deuteronomy 28:
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    C.Melendez wrote: »
    Learn something every time i read
    i just don't comment

    SHALOM BROTHER AND THANKS, that's all that matters. i take that than 100000 comments.
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In another article By George E. Lichtblau entitled
    "Jewish Roots in Africa", he gives a details about the Hebrews in west Africa.

    "Claims of a historic presence of Jewish communities in certain regions of Africa, notably West and Southern Africa, seem esoteric when first mentioned. This presence goes back not just centuries, but even to biblical times.

    Of course in two areas such a communal presence on the African continent remains a firmly acknowledged part of Jewish history and experience (North Africa and Egypt/Ethiopia). A Jewish presence in Egypt and the former Kingdom of Kush are described in the Book of Exodus. Yet even after their exodus from Egypt and their settlement in the land of Israel, the Jewish tribes retained certain nomadic characteristics which are reflected throughout their history.

    For example, in the 10th and 9th centuries B.C.E. Kings David and Solomon sought to expand Jewish influence and trade throughout the Mediterranean, including North Africa, Egypt, the Arab Peninsula and the Horn of Africa, as well as Persia. Often such trade promotion and colonizing drives were arranged in cooperation with the Canaanite and the neighboring Kingdom of Tyre. These kingdoms often lent their military backing to these colonizing efforts, which led to the establishment of numerous settlements by Jewish artisans and traders throughout these regions.

    But the subsequent scattering of a Jewish presence and influence reaching deep into the African continent is less widely acknowledged.

    Pressed under sweeping regional conflicts, Jews settled as traders and warriors in Yemen, the Horn of Africa, Egypt, the Kingdom of Kush and Nubia, North African Punic settlements (Carthage and Velubilis), and areas now covered by Mauritania. More emigrants followed these early Jewish settlers to Northern Africa following the Assyrian conquest of the Israelites in the 8th century B.C.E., and again 200 years later, when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians, leading to the destruction of the First Temple.

    This catastrophic event not only drove many Jews into exile in Babylon, but also led to the establishment of exile communities around the Mediterranean, including North Africa. Then, with Israel coming under Greek, Persian and later Roman rule and dependence, renewed waves of Jewish traders and artisans began to set up communities in Egypt, Cyrenaica, Nubia and the Punic Empire, notably in Carthage, whence they began to scatter into various newly emerging communities south of the Atlas mountains. Several Jewish nomadic groups also started to come across the Sahara from Nubia and the ancient kingdom of Kush.

    The Jewish presence in Africa began to expand significantly in the second and third centuries of the Christian era, extending not only into the Sahara desert, but also reaching down along the West African coast, and possibly also to some Bantu tribes of Southern Africa (where some 40,000 members of the Lemba tribe still claim Jewish roots). The names of old Jewish communities south of the Atlas mountains, many of which existed well into Renaissance times, can be found in documents in synagogue archives in Cairo.

    In addition, Jewish, Arab and Christian accounts cite the existence of Jewish rulers of certain tribal groups and clans identifying themselves as Jewish scattered throughout Mauritania, Senegal, the Western Sudan, Nigeria, and Ghana. Among notable Arab historians referring to their existence are Ibn Khaldun, who lived in the 13th century, a respected authority on Berber history; the famous geographer al-Idrisi, born in Ceuta, Spain in the 12th century, who wrote about Jewish Negroes in the western Sudan; and the 16th century historian and traveler Leon Africanus, a Moslem from Spain who was raised by a Jewish woman working in his family's household, who is said to have taught him Hebrew and emigrated with the family to Morocco in 1492. Leon Africanus later converted to Catholicism but remained interested in Jewish communities he encountered throughout his travels in West Africa.

    Some evidence can also be derived from surviving tribal traditions of some African ethnic groups, including links to biblical ancestors, names of localities, and ceremonies with affinities to Jewish ritual practices. Moreover, the writings of several modern West African historians and two personal anecdotes indicate that the memories of an influential Jewish historical past in West Africa continue to survive.

    I still remember from my assignments in the 1960's as a Foreign Service Officer an encounter with Mr. Bubu Hama, then president of the National Assembly in Niger and a prolific writer on African history. He told me that the Tuaregs had a Jewish queen in early medieval times, and that some Jewish Tuareg clans had preserved their adherence to that faith, in defiance of both Islamic and Christian missionary pressure, until the 18th century. In several of his books Hama even cites some genealogies of Jewish rulers of the Tuareg and Hausa kingdoms.

    A related story about surviving memories of Jewish roots in West Africa was told to me around 1976 by former Israeli prime minister Shimon Peres. He had just returned from a meeting of the Socialist International, during which he had met with then president Leopold Senhor of Senegal. In the course of their discussion about the possibility of normalizing Senegalese-Israeli relations, Senhor had told him that he too had Jewish ancestors. At that time we both smiled somewhat incredulously. Yet, indeed, there are a number of historical records of small Jewish kingdoms and tribal groups known as Beni Israel that were part of the Wolof and Mandinge communities.

    These existed in Senegal from the early Middle Ages up to the 18th century, when they were forced to convert to Islam. Some of these claimed to be descendants of the tribe of Dan, the traditional tribe of Jewish gold and metal artisans, who are also said to have built the "Golden Calf".
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    In addition, Jewish, Arab and Christian accounts cite the existence of Jewish rulers of certain tribal groups and clans identifying themselves as Jewish scattered throughout Mauritania, Senegal, the Western Sudan, Nigeria, and Ghana. Among notable Arab historians referring to their existence are Ibn Khaldun, who lived in the 13th century, a respected authority on Berber history; the famous geographer al-Idrisi, born in Ceuta, Spain in the 12th century, who wrote about Jewish Negroes in the western Sudan; and the 16th century historian and traveler Leon Africanus, a Moslem from Spain who was raised by a Jewish woman working in his family's household, who is said to have taught him Hebrew and emigrated with the family to Morocco in 1492. Leon Africanus later converted to Catholicism but remained interested in Jewish communities he encountered throughout his travels in West Africa.

    i re-post this again to show how christians, Muslims knew who we are but let these other people in this forum tell it, we don't exist or just a myth
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    THE LEMBA ARE HEBREW IN SOUTH AFRICA WHICH HAVE THE HEBREW DNA AND SAID THAT THEIR ANCESTORS CAME ACROSS THE RED SEA, but let these other people on this forum tell it they know more than our brothers history. This sent waves shock through the world and the Jews who are not hebrews got scared and ran to south africa and tried to tell them that they will recgonize them if the except the talmud, and these brothers and sisters who know YAH'S LAW refuse too.
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  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here is an excerpt from a speech from a Lemba Israelite.

    Shalom Aleichem!!

    Thank you for giving me this opportunity to address you.
    Some of you may already be familiar with the subject I am going to discuss, but if you are not, then we will work through this together. As told by my father, and his father's father, and his father's, father's father, and many more before them;

    Approximately 2,500 years ago, a group of Jews left Judea and settled in Yemen. The tribe was led by the house of Buba and we are told that this move was to facilitate trade. In Yemen they settled in a place and built acity called Senna. They were then known as the BaSenna (the people from Senna)

    When conditions became unfavorable, and not being a historian, I can not
    give you exact details of what went wrong; but lets just say they could no
    longer call Yemen home.

    The House of Hamisi took over the leadership and led the people across into
    Africa.

    Once in Africa, the tribe split into 2 sections: One group settled in Ethiopia
    and the other group went further south along the East Coast. They settled
    in what today is known as Tanzania/Kenya and built Senna 2. Here they
    prospered and increased in numbers.

    I'm afraid the travel bug bit once again and they were on the move. A small
    group went and settled in Malawi and Kenya. Their descendants are still
    residing in these countries up to today and are generally known as Ba
    Mwenye (lords of the land).

    The remaining group, under the leadership of the house of Bakali, moved on
    and settled in Mozambique. Here they built Senna 3. Even today, the
    BaSenna are found in Mozambique.

    After many years, part of the tribe, now under the leadership of Seremane
    (which is the house I belong to); moved further south to settle in Chiramba
    in what is known today as Zimbabwe. They were known as the Ba-Lemba.
    Our people still live there up to today. Some of the tribe moved south again
    and eventually settled in South Africa ( Venda, Louis Trichadt, Pietersburg
    and Tzaneen). This story has been told to all Lemba children from the time
    they are able to comprehend. It is told so that we know where we come
    from, who we are and how we live. It is told and shall continue to be
    told/written so that future generations are not lost never to be found
    again.

    Do I believe this: Oh Yeah! My father told me and, now there is scientific
    proof for the non believers: The lemba males posses the Priestly Cohanim
    gene on their Y chromosome (from work done by Jenkins and Spurgle -
    Wits University)

    Old maps of the Holy Land have now revealed that there was a place called
    Lemba way back BCE. Which brings us to my generation! Pretty cool and
    interesting Huh?!

    1) We believe in only one God Nwali. He is the creator of all things. Over
    time, due to certain circumstances, a number of Lemba have been baptized
    as Christians.

    2) One day per week is considered holy: On this day we praise Nwali and
    thank him for looking after us. We teach our children to honor their mothers
    and fathers.

    3) Circumcision: We circumcise all our males. It used to be done in the
    home by chosen elders. The male was circumcised at the age of 8 yrs (did
    we get that wrong over time?) Nowadays, some do it in hospitals. There is
    a strong move to bring this back to the home.

    4) Dietary laws: We do not eat pork or any of the creatures prohibited by
    the Old Testament. We have our animals slaughtered by designated people
    and bled. We do not mix milk and meat ever in our meal planning. We wash
    our hands before we handle food or cooking utensils and we thank Nwali
    before eating.

    5) Calendar: We used to observe the moon to guide us in observing times. Everyone has a calendar nowadays.

    6) Burial: We have special burial rituals. Our graves are dug with a shelf on
    the side where the body is laid. The head must always face north where we
    have come from. Today, we put tombstones with a Star of David on them.

    7) Lembas are encouraged to marry other Lembas. A non Lemba woman can
    be instructed in the ways of the Lembas if she is to marry one. She has to
    learn the religious laws, dietary laws, etc. She may not bring any kitchen
    utensils from her maiden home to her new Lemba home. And she is to bring
    her children up according to the Lemba tradition. Sometimes she is asked to
    shave her head before being admitted to the Lemba home.
    There are about 70,000 of us in Southern Africa.

    We know who we are. It would be grand if we returned to the broader global Jewish community. Even though we have safeguarded our traditions for this long, we do not want to risk losing them.

    We all meet once a year for a cultural conference up in the Northern
    province. We are in the process of building a temple and hopefully a
    conference center. One of us who owns a farm wants to establish a kibbutz
    on the farm. We plan to get people to come and instruct us in Hebrew,
    teach us about Torah..... teach us what was lost along the 2500 years of
    having been separated from the main body of Judaism.

    We are receiving help, support and encouragement in our project by a few
    good people, like Rufina Mausenbaum, Dr Shimon Wapnick, Dr Jack Zeller
    and Yaacov Levi, who will soon be joining us as our teacher. These people,
    together with organizations like Kulanu are in the forefront collecting books
    and siddurim.
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Many scholars have always known about the ancient Hebrew culture found all over the African Continent.

    They Never make the connection of the curses and prophecies of Deuteronomy 28: and Leviticus 26: and how they fit us perfectly. If they did all the mysteries about the Biblical Hebrews would be cleared up.

    It's been a known fact since the time of the slave trade, that the people on the west coast of Africa were Hebrews. The first Christian missionaries, who left Portugal for west Africa were required to have a knowledge of Aramaic and Hebrew. Aramaic is a language that is akin to Hebrew, some say it was spoken by the Hebrews during the time of Yahshuah. Sir John Hawkins an English slave trader in the 1500's communicated with his captives, who later became slaves by speaking Hebrew to them. In fact when he first came to the shores of west Africa, the first thing he said to the people was SHALOM, Shalom is a Hebrew word that means peace.
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    Solomon Grayzel, a white Jewish historian, wrote in his book, "A History of the Jews," in the ninth century CE (AD), a man appeared in north Africa among the Hebrews there, his name was Eldad from the tribe of Dan, he was a Danite. He said the members of his tribe had escaped Israel after Sennacherib had conquered Israel, and other Hebrews from other tribes also live in the land from where he came from.

    Menasseh ben Israel, the author of "The Hope of Israel," said in his book there were Hebrew/Israelites that had been scattered into the Americas since the time of Sennacherib.

    Mr Lichtblau, the writer of "Jewish Roots in Africa," speaking of the Jews said, "Pressed under sweeping regional conflicts, Jews settled as traders and warriors in Yemen, the Horn of Africa, Egypt, the Kingdom of Kush and Nubia, North African Punic settlements (Carthage and Velubilis), and areas now covered by Mauritania. More emigrants followed these early Jewish settlers to Northern Africa following the Assyrian conquest of the Israelites in the 8th century B.C.E...."

    And, Rabbi Dahton Nasi, the author of the "Basic Jewish Studies Handbook," has placed the Hebrew/Israelites all over the African continent.
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    Shalmaneser king of Assyria and Sennacherib king of Assyria were not the only kings to have come up against Israel. Another very important time in the history of the Hebrews, and I say important because the Temple was destroyed for the first time, is when Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon came and took Israel and destroyed the temple.

    Here too, we tried to escape persecution and ran into the continent of Africa. Mr. Lichtblau statement above goes one step further, when mentioning the emigration of the Hebrews to Africa during the conquest of king Nebuchadnezzar. It says, " . . . and again 200 years later, when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians, leading to the destruction of the First temple."

    So, again two hundred years later the Children of Israel ran into Africa trying to flee persecution.

    The people, not wanting to serve king Nebuchadnezzar, went into Egypt, even after they were instructed by the God of Israel, their Father, not to. Jeremiah, the prophet, in chapter 42, 43, and 44 tells the people that God said to stay in Babylon because he would be with them. But instead, they went to Egypt and when Jeremiah caught up with them in there, he said, due to them not listening to the God of Israel, he was going to push king Nebuchadnezzar into Egypt and take it and them.

    I don't know what my reaction would have been if I had been informed of this by the Prophet. But as Rabbi Nasi stated in his handbook above (regarding this situation, and something I do agree with), "This warning would cause many Israelites to migrate deeper into Ethiopia and the Sahara desert.
    "
  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    waterproof wrote: »
    Solomon Grayzel, a white Jewish historian, wrote in his book, "A History of the Jews," in the ninth century CE (AD), a man appeared in north Africa among the Hebrews there, his name was Eldad from the tribe of Dan, he was a Danite. He said the members of his tribe had escaped Israel after Sennacherib had conquered Israel, and other Hebrews from other tribes also live in the land from where he came from.

    Menasseh ben Israel, the author of "The Hope of Israel," said in his book there were Hebrew/Israelites that had been scattered into the Americas since the time of Sennacherib.

    Mr Lichtblau, the writer of "Jewish Roots in Africa," speaking of the Jews said, "Pressed under sweeping regional conflicts, Jews settled as traders and warriors in Yemen, the Horn of Africa, Egypt, the Kingdom of Kush and Nubia, North African Punic settlements (Carthage and Velubilis), and areas now covered by Mauritania. More emigrants followed these early Jewish settlers to Northern Africa following the Assyrian conquest of the Israelites in the 8th century B.C.E...."

    And, Rabbi Dahton Nasi, the author of the "Basic Jewish Studies Handbook," has placed the Hebrew/Israelites all over the African continent.
    waterproof wrote: »
    Shalmaneser king of Assyria and Sennacherib king of Assyria were not the only kings to have come up against Israel. Another very important time in the history of the Hebrews, and I say important because the Temple was destroyed for the first time, is when Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon came and took Israel and destroyed the temple.

    Here too, we tried to escape persecution and ran into the continent of Africa. Mr. Lichtblau statement above goes one step further, when mentioning the emigration of the Hebrews to Africa during the conquest of king Nebuchadnezzar. It says, " . . . and again 200 years later, when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians, leading to the destruction of the First temple."

    So, again two hundred years later the Children of Israel ran into Africa trying to flee persecution.

    The people, not wanting to serve king Nebuchadnezzar, went into Egypt, even after they were instructed by the God of Israel, their Father, not to. Jeremiah, the prophet, in chapter 42, 43, and 44 tells the people that God said to stay in Babylon because he would be with them. But instead, they went to Egypt and when Jeremiah caught up with them in there, he said, due to them not listening to the God of Israel, he was going to push king Nebuchadnezzar into Egypt and take it and them.

    I don't know what my reaction would have been if I had been informed of this by the Prophet. But as Rabbi Nasi stated in his handbook above (regarding this situation, and something I do agree with), "This warning would cause many Israelites to migrate deeper into Ethiopia and the Sahara desert.
    "



    After serving the Babylonians for 70 years, the Hebrews returned to Israel to rebuild the kingdom. Thinking that they would have known how to act, they had to be disciplined again because they wouldn't listen to the word of God.

    In the year 334 B.C.E., Alexander the Great, came down from Macedonia and took Babylon, Egypt, Israel, and other areas that were occupied by the Persians. After Alexanders death, his kingdom was divide and the Hebrew/Israelites caught trouble again.

    Around 176 B.C.E., king Antiochus ruled the Greek Kingdom and came up against Israel. Approximately two years later, the king attacked Jerusalem and destroyed the city, burned it down, and took the women and children captive. He also wrote a decree to all of his kingdom that the people should give up their particular practices and be as the Greeks, to be as one people.

    The king told the Hebrews to "put a stop to whole burnt offerings and sacrifices and drink offerings at the sanctuary, and to break the Sabbaths and profane the feasts and to build altars and sacred precincts and idol temples and sacrifice hogs and unclean cattle; and to leave their sons uncircumcised and defile themselves with every unclean and profane practice." The king made it known to the Hebrews, if they did not obey the command, they would be put to death. After the Greeks came, the Romans and around 70CE destroyed Jerusalem again. The Romans, too, refused to let the Jews circumcise their boys, observe the Sabbath, and study the laws of the God of Israel. Here, too, the Roman government said if we were to do the things that we are commanded to do by the God of Israel, that the Hebrews would be put to death.

    The restrictions on the Hebrews forced them to emigrate in even greater numbers than before. Rome's vengeance forced the Hebrews that lived in Cyrenaica, which was approximately a hundred thousand and a million in Egypt to flee into the south of Africa and the west of Africa. Solomon Grayzel said, "such is the explanation how the Sahara desert first acquired Jewish tribes . . . "

    But it wasn't always another kingdom that forced the Hebrews to flee their homeland
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