Kobe ethering his critics

Rosebudd B'Dose

Kobe is ballin hard this season like a man on a mission... It'll be interesting to see if his body can take it for the entire season

The Lonious Monk

Well considering most guards in their 14th season were probably 2 or 3 years older than what Kobe is right now, it's not as impressive as people are making it seem.

KeepOnPushing

The Lonious Monk wrote: »

well considering most guards in their 14th season were probably 2 or 3 years older than what kobe is right now, it's not as impressive as people are making it seem.

lmao ........

Coo Coo Cal's Beanie

The Lonious Monk wrote: »

Well considering most guards in their 14th season were probably 2 or 3 years older than what Kobe is right now, it's not as impressive as people are making it seem.

How is that not impressive being that he's faced more NBA competition? NBA has longer more grueling seasons than college basketball + postseason appearances. It actually is MORE impressive

playmaker88

The Lonious Monk wrote: »

Well considering most guards in their 14th season were probably 2 or 3 years older than what Kobe is right now, it's not as impressive as people are making it seem.

you should be amnestied from the cheapseats

The Lonious Monk

He's been in the league longer than most players that came before him, so he's had a longer time in the NBA to reach certain milestones and he's younger while doing certain things than players before him. Why is that so hard to understand? Add to that the fact that the league is generally regarded as being more offense friendly than it's ever been and it's simply not as impressive as you guys are making it. I'm not saying he's not play well. But it's not some earth shattering accomplishment. It's as stupid as all the "Youngest player to..." achievements they always make a big deal out of for players that come straight from high school.

playmaker88

you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in anysport at playin at this high of a level @ 16 years all of those youngest player records are meaningless pop stats so who really cares as far as those type of things are concerned


the whole premise of the thread is retarded.. i really dont listen to anything this dude says.. but just speaking on the level of play soley...

The Lonious Monk

playmaker88 wrote: »

you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in anysport at playin at this high of a level @ 16 years all of those youngest player records are meaningless pop stats so who really cares as far as those type of things are concerned


the whole premise of the thread is retarded.. i really dont listen to anything this dude says.. but just speaking on the level of play soley...

The point is that he's been in the league 16 years but he's still only in his mid 30s. This level of play at his age is good don't get me wrong, but it's not unprecedented which is what the T/S is trying to insinuate.

ToWn_DrUnK

Wow did this really need a thread?

Coo Coo Cal's Beanie

The Lonious Monk wrote: »

He's been in the league longer than most players that came before him, so he's had a longer time in the NBA to reach certain milestones and he's younger while doing certain things than players before him. Why is that so hard to understand? Add to that the fact that the league is generally regarded as being more offense friendly than it's ever been and it's simply not as impressive as you guys are making it. I'm not saying he's not play well. But it's not some earth shattering accomplishment. It's as stupid as all the "Youngest player to..." achievements they always make a big deal out of for players that come straight from high school.

No the fuck its not nigga. U a moron. delete ur account

afromo

PimpMVP wrote: »

Athletes are faster, stronger, bigger, and.more athletic. Now than when Jordan played

Kobe being able to score how he has in his 16th season against great athletes is impressive

Jordan played against guys that weren't as athletically gifted

We all saw what happened to Jordan once he met the new breed of athletes

Not to.mention Jordan couldn't win without Scottie Pippen

He won nothing before Scottie and nothing after him

Umm he was 38 and still avg 20 a game....what are you saying

NothingButTheTruth

PimpMVP wrote: »

Athletes are faster, stronger, bigger, and.more athletic. Now than when Jordan played

Kobe being able to score how he has in his 16th season against great athletes is impressive

Jordan played against guys that weren't as athletically gifted

We all saw what happened to Jordan once he met the new breed of athletes

Not to.mention Jordan couldn't win without Scottie Pippen

He won nothing before Scottie and nothing after him

This
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smittysmith

PimpMVP wrote: »

Athletes are faster, stronger, bigger, and.more athletic. Now than when Jordan played

Kobe being able to score how he has in his 16th season against great athletes is impressive

Jordan played against guys that weren't as athletically gifted

We all saw what happened to Jordan once he met the new breed of athletes

Not to.mention Jordan couldn't win without Scottie Pippen

He won nothing before Scottie and nothing after him

Aint a whole lot of the guys playing today that are more athletic than the ballers of the mid 80's to early 90's, FOH. The rest of this shit is pure nonsense.

3 peat championship years, playoffs only
Shaq 29.9ppg, 55.2%fg, 14.5reb, 3.0ast, 2.4blk, 12.2 win shares, 3.7 defensive win shares, 8.5 offensive win shares, and only 553 missed shots....
Kobe Bryant 25.3ppg, 44.7%fg, 5.7reb, 4.9ast, 1.1blk, 8.5 win shares, 2.5 defensive win shares, 5.8 offensive win shares, and a whopping 654 missed shots.
Kobe missed 101 more shots than Shaq during the 3 peat championship years

In 99-2000, Kobe missed 16 games, the Lakers went 12-4 without him.
In 2000-2001 Kobe missed 14 games, the Lakers went 11-3 without him.
In 2001-2002 Kobe missed 2 games, the Lakers went 2-0 without him.
The championship Lakers teams seemed barely affected by the absence of Kobe.

People often like to bring up the 55 win season the Bulls had while Jordan retired the first time. What people never talk about is the fact that Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, and Kukoc all scored in double figures that season. They also fail to mention the following:
Team record in games missed
Michael Jordan: 19-49 (.279)
86: 18-43
89: 0-1
92: 0-2
93: 1-3
Even the world champion Bulls suffered 1-5 without their undisputed leader.
In the previous 35 games before Michael Jordan's return the Bulls were 18-17 with Scottie Pippen leading the team, after Jordan's return the Bulls went 13-4 and 72-10 the following season. Jordan was the most crucial player in NBA history to his team's championship success along with players like Shaq being close behind. Michael Jordan was the only All-Star on the Chicago Bulls in 1991 and 1998.

king hassan

Cats act like it was'nt a bunch of strong athletic players from years past. If you strong and athletic it don't matter when you hooping

Coo Coo Cal's Beanie

they also made the playoffs in jordan's absence, taking the eventual EC champs to a 7 game series that they actually got robbed in on a bad call.

All those stats are irrelevant when u look at the fact kobe led the team in playoff winshares.

Coo Coo Cal's Beanie

rofl niggas seriously gonna argue an era where craig ehlo and jeff hornacek started at shooting guard was just as athletic as this era? woowwwwwwww

i quit. im done wit this forum. im gonna kill one of u niggas i see u in the street. i swear to God

CoolJoe

Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »

rofl niggas seriously gonna argue an era where craig ehlo and jeff hornacek started at shooting guard was just as athletic as this era? woowwwwwwww

i quit. im done wit this forum. im gonna kill one of u niggas i see u in the street. i swear to God

Lmfao............

nycest_1

ROFL.GUY wrote: »

KOBE avg 30ppg

AMAZING

man what the fuck kinda stuart scott statistic is this?
look how many criteria there is
shooting guard,
16th season
ppg
how bout kobe has the highest ppg for a player last named bryant
lol
but real talk the stat should be based on ppg for someone his age, not what season they are in

nycest_1

Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »

rofl niggas seriously gonna argue an era where craig ehlo and jeff hornacek started at shooting guard was just as athletic as this era? woowwwwwwww

i quit. im done wit this forum. im gonna kill one of u niggas i see u in the street. i swear to God

Rolando Blackman
Ricky Pierce
Clyde Drexler
Alvin Robertson
Joe Dumars
Ron Harper
Reggie Miller
Mitch Richmond
Hersey Hawkins
Vernon Maxwell
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
Latrell Sprewell
Allan Houston
Eddie Jones
Jerry Stackhouse
Michael Finley
Ray Allen
Kobe Bryant
Tracy McGrady
Vince Carter
Paul Pierce

thats not a bad list of 2 guards that played against mike

b*braze

smittysmith wrote: »

Aint a whole lot of the guys playing today that are more athletic than the ballers of the mid 80's to early 90's, FOH. The rest of this shit is pure nonsense.

3 peat championship years, playoffs only
Shaq 29.9ppg, 55.2%fg, 14.5reb, 3.0ast, 2.4blk, 12.2 win shares, 3.7 defensive win shares, 8.5 offensive win shares, and only 553 missed shots....
Kobe Bryant 25.3ppg, 44.7%fg, 5.7reb, 4.9ast, 1.1blk, 8.5 win shares, 2.5 defensive win shares, 5.8 offensive win shares, and a whopping 654 missed shots.
Kobe missed 101 more shots than Shaq during the 3 peat championship years

In 99-2000, Kobe missed 16 games, the Lakers went 12-4 without him.
In 2000-2001 Kobe missed 14 games, the Lakers went 11-3 without him.
In 2001-2002 Kobe missed 2 games, the Lakers went 2-0 without him.
The championship Lakers teams seemed barely affected by the absence of Kobe.

People often like to bring up the 55 win season the Bulls had while Jordan retired the first time. What people never talk about is the fact that Pippen, Grant, Armstrong, and Kukoc all scored in double figures that season. They also fail to mention the following:
Team record in games missed
Michael Jordan: 19-49 (.279)
86: 18-43
89: 0-1
92: 0-2
93: 1-3
Even the world champion Bulls suffered 1-5 without their undisputed leader.
In the previous 35 games before Michael Jordan's return the Bulls were 18-17 with Scottie Pippen leading the team, after Jordan's return the Bulls went 13-4 and 72-10 the following season. Jordan was the most crucial player in NBA history to his team's championship success along with players like Shaq being close behind. Michael Jordan was the only All-Star on the Chicago Bulls in 1991 and 1998.

dumb point. they wasnt winnin ANY of them championships without kobe. they would never have gotten past the blazers, spurs or kings if kobe was out due to injury. dont be an idiot

b*braze

that point is dumb, and for that matter, so is this argument about what pippen and the bulls did without MJ. they won 0 championships in his absence. yall niggas in here arguin stupid points just to be arguing

ReppinTime

nycest_1 wrote: »

Rolando Blackman
Ricky Pierce
Clyde Drexler
Alvin Robertson
Joe Dumars
Ron Harper
Reggie Miller
Mitch Richmond
Hersey Hawkins
Vernon Maxwell
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
Latrell Sprewell
Allan Houston
Eddie Jones
Jerry Stackhouse
Michael Finley
Ray Allen
Kobe Bryant
Tracy McGrady
Vince Carter
Paul Pierce

thats not a bad list of 2 guards that played against mike

No you dont get to claim these. Thats Kobe's era not Jeffery's.
and How many Hall Of Famers are in this list that aint from Kobe era?

afromo wrote: »

Umm he was 38 and still avg 20 a game....what are you saying

on 19 shots a game. Wow. Amazing. lol Kobe's career average is 19shots per game.

playmaker88 wrote: »

Lol this forum is just rife with idiocy.. and agenda...


Im tired... im weary

Cs. I been tearing apart these retarded arguments for too long and its always the same exact bs rewrapped.

afromo

ReppinTime wrote: »

on 19 shots a game. Wow. Amazing. lol Kobe's career average is 19shots per game.

Hey I like Kobe but you posters are getting out of hand in dickriding. How is Jordan taking 19 shots at 38 all of a sudden a factor when yall are defending kobe's 30 ppg avg as if the greatest thing of all time and he's taking minimal

2011-12 Regular Season 12 36.8 11.2-24.3 .459 0.8-4.3 .196 7.2-8.6 .835 5.9 5.7 0.4 1.0 2.2 3.8 30.3

those are his stats this year. Should we negate this yr b/c he's taking 24 shots a game.....If we don't you shouldn't negate jordans 20 ppg

Here's jordan's
02-'03

WSH

82 67 37.0 8.3-18.6 .445 0.2-0.7 .291 3.2-4.0 .821 0.9 5.2 6.1 3.8 0.5 1.5 2.1 2.1 20.0

Bcotton5

Not hating but he was out of high school

Rey Negro

afromo wrote: »

Umm he was 38 and still avg 20 a game....what are you saying

Jordan is Jordan. That dude could probably still average 15 now.

Aight. Probably not lol. But that dude is the God of basketball.

But facts is facts. The shit that made Michael so mind blowing is the fact that their were no other athletes like him. His style of play is everyday shit now.