Chuck D "Jay Z And Kanye West's Bases Are "Corrupt To Rap"

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  • _Goldie__Goldie_ ablackweb.com Posts: 30,262 Regulator
    He coulda said dat about any mainstream artist. Dat mf just hatin. Somebody tell dat nigga to take his blue pill and stfu
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  • tru_m.a.ctru_m.a.c Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭✭
    I said this the moment Watch the Throne dropped. But my point was from a musical perspective. Everything on that album only popped because it has JayZ and Kanye attached to it.

    Take a song like Otis. To us, nothing about that song is spectacular. We download songs like that every week. But you add Kanye and Jay to a beat like that and everybody and their momma is feeling it. Otis doesn't get national play if its done by anybody but those 2.

    They think they're doing something great for rap when in all honesty they're just proving how fake it is.
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  • usmarin3usmarin3 Posts: 37,699 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tru_m.a.c wrote: »
    I said this the moment Watch the Throne dropped. But my point was from a musical perspective. Everything on that album only popped because it has JayZ and Kanye attached to it.

    Take a song like Otis. To us, nothing about that song is spectacular. We download songs like that every week. But you add Kanye and Jay to a beat like that and everybody and their momma is feeling it. Otis doesn't get national play if its done by anybody but those 2.

    They think they're doing something great for rap when in all honesty they're just proving how fake it is.

    Oh really, we download songs like Otis every week, where they do that at? Name some songs that's in the same vein as Otis that never got play?

    Kanye and Jay gets the hype because they have a track record of quality and consistency of putting out hit records. I'm sure if any other rapper who has had success would get a song like that to pop off.
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  • H-Rap 180H-Rap 180 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ain't nothing inspirational to me about being in cold ass, white ass Europe...a place were Negroes boast that they aint even supposed to be? Why aint you supposed to be there ni99er? What, they didn't want you to be there but you overjoyed to integrate?

    Bahamas, Jamaica, Costa Rica, Morroco even damn Hawaii is more suitable than some grafted, calcified, recessive white-bread city, and landmass like Europe/Paris


    Jolly Kneegrows can throw 5 Europeon samples and a Europeon Mr Hudson and Europeon album-art and Europeon song titles like "Living so Italian" & Ni99ers in Paris" on a HipHop album and these white-washed bastards just gobble it up.

    I wouldn't give a damn if you wore some Verscae or drove a BMW, or fucked on a French bitch but when you inject that Euro shit into the music and take the music in that direction and cater a whole project.....then Fuck you.


    The only thing missing was Euro-Jay having his white-Europeon Roc-Nation artist K-Koke on that shitty album.


    I don't co-sign everything any man says especially Chuck D, but all that Euro pandering is getting corny especially with T.I. signing some British rapper that sound like Benny Hill and dress like a butler.


    I guess Kneegrows have become Eurocentric and think that Eropeon culture is the most superior on the planet just because them bloodthirsty devils have raped the entire earth so they can eat tons of raw meat and pay off the lawsuits from raping children in their church.


    Go get ya money Kanye & JayZ, go get them Euro-dollars but let them bloodsucking pasty inbred mutants know that they ain't superior and their culture ain't superior to any other culture but trully the most depraved and sick on the planet.








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  • tru_m.a.ctru_m.a.c Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭✭
    usmarin3 wrote: »
    tru_m.a.c wrote: »
    I said this the moment Watch the Throne dropped. But my point was from a musical perspective. Everything on that album only popped because it has JayZ and Kanye attached to it.

    Take a song like Otis. To us, nothing about that song is spectacular. We download songs like that every week. But you add Kanye and Jay to a beat like that and everybody and their momma is feeling it. Otis doesn't get national play if its done by anybody but those 2.

    They think they're doing something great for rap when in all honesty they're just proving how fake it is.

    Oh really, we download songs like Otis every week, where they do that at? Name some songs that's in the same vein as Otis that never got play?

    Kanye and Jay gets the hype because they have a track record of quality and consistency of putting out hit records. I'm sure if any other rapper who has had success would get a song like that to pop off.

    stop it nigga

    Otis was a breathe of fresh air shit to you??? seriously

    what about Otis hadn't you heard before???

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  • supersajinfosupersajinfo Posts: 461 ✭✭
    I can agree with you for the most part .What I find ignorant of Jay and ye is they act like black entertainers haven't been trend setting in Europe for the longest .They wanna be like us in Paris they copy our clothes,lingo and music for years .jazz musicians would go over there and be treated like gods it's like they are ass backwards in the logic man.We didn't revere them they revered us.
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  • Africa UnitedAfrica United Posts: 148 ✭✭
    Why, in Jay-z and Kanye´s eyes, is traveling to Paris the epitome of success for a black man? Any Tom Dick or Harry could jump on a plane and try to look successful. Why cant it be Blacks in MIT or Harvard? The city of Paris should give Jay and Kanye a key to the city for the free promotion/tourist video.
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  • almighty breezealmighty breeze Posts: 1,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
    most of the negative watch the throne commentary is what happens when people (read:niggas) take things only for the literal meaning. they come to the easiest and simplest conclusion without 2nd thought of any other possibilities

    to answer chucks claim- when has and why would the system change because niggas are "angry" at it
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    Monizzle post was slept on in this thread. H-Rap you always speak out about your displeasure with European products being used as a sign within the black community, but you heavily promote Rick Ross. His label is named after a european company. Have you blindly fell victim to something you dislike?

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  • supersajinfosupersajinfo Posts: 461 ✭✭
    "Usually if you have this much taste you European. Thats the end of that thinking nigga never again"
    "the scales was lopsided, im just restoring order"
    "we aint even supposed to be here"
    "she said 'You goin to school ill give you a summer'/Then she met No I.D. and gave me his number/Ten years later she driving a hummer"
    "now all my niggas designing and we all swaggin.."
    "Im shocked too, im supposed to be locked up too. If u escaped what i escaped, YOU'D be in Paris getting fucked up too"
    "Marilyn Monroe shes quite nice but all the pretty icons always all white"

    Tell the whole story.
    These are just a few lines. But niggas only choose to hear what suits their bias.
    Bragging has been far and away the norm in hiphop yet Jay and Kanye are the ones we have to examine and decipher literally then blow out of proportion. Yea right
    What has Europe almost always represented culturally in American history?
    Economically, what does a vacation to Europe say about you or the job you hold/status in life?
    Contrast that- What does being from Bedstuy usually mean? How about black from chicago?
    Are black men growing up in the late 70s-80s frequently allowed to travel/vacation in ANY other continent much less one seen as so "first world/high class" as Europe?
    You can answer these questions yourself. Is this right? No. SHOULD it be that way? Hell no. Is that how it is? Yes. Does the imagery and symbolism of what 'Europe' represents to the average ear effective? Yes

    yall niggas can go rant and snap ur fingers at poetry slams all u want. Your claims are unfounded. If u need to build the erroneous straw man that Jay/Ye are white washing and speakin on having money and being in europe is a sac relig to the culture theres the counterpoints right there. While you're fishing for co-signs on the internet you missed the point patting yourself on the back.

    Very good post I agree with you on this matter.
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  • 88228822 Posts: 142
    usmarin3 wrote: »
    Basically, Chuck D doesn't believe that progressive/reflective songs about success can inspire people. He also implied that Jay and Kanye's black fans will never be able to travel internationally. The snarky comment about [Jay and Ye's] age only proves that there is cynicism regarding "luxury/grown up" rap.


    Chuck D: I mean, I’m not mad at them, I’m happy that they’re great artists. But at the same time, I’m always gonna be mad at the machine. I’m always gonna be angry at corporations. And I’m always gonna be angry at people that show off their money to the poor and the growing poor in America and across the world. That’s just how I am. And people can say that’s bitter, but why wouldn’t I be angry at that? I know I’m privileged, but I’m just totally, totally against somebody showing off riches to the poor. It goes against every fuckin’ storybook tale that we’ve learned since kindergarten. Robin Hood robbed from the rich and gave to the poor and was a hero. How the fuck you gonna rob from the poor and be the rich and be a hero? It just doesn’t make any damn sense.

    I bet that nigga ain't giving up those checks he made from his PE days, having the nerve to talk about Robin Hood. Kanye and Jay-z employ many black folks or gave them starting positions in the music business, name one person Chuck D employs or has ever put on. All these old niggas do is bitch and complain, what they fail to acknowledge is you have to get inside the system ( a position of power) to change the system. You think these companies are gonna throw money behind something that ain't selling units.

    how exactly is by jay and kanye making a song titled Niggas In Paris into a global anthem changing the system. no disrespect but we have to get off of this lazy way of thinking. Often times the means may not necessarily equal the ends.
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  • BobOblahBobOblah Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Usually if you have this much taste you European. Thats the end of that thinking nigga never again"
    "the scales was lopsided, im just restoring order"
    "we aint even supposed to be here"
    "she said 'You goin to school ill give you a summer'/Then she met No I.D. and gave me his number/Ten years later she driving a hummer"
    "now all my niggas designing and we all swaggin.."
    "Im shocked too, im supposed to be locked up too. If u escaped what i escaped, YOU'D be in Paris getting fucked up too"
    "Marilyn Monroe shes quite nice but all the pretty icons always all white"

    Tell the whole story.
    These are just a few lines. But niggas only choose to hear what suits their bias.
    Bragging has been far and away the norm in hiphop yet Jay and Kanye are the ones we have to examine and decipher literally then blow out of proportion. Yea right
    What has Europe almost always represented culturally in American history?
    Economically, what does a vacation to Europe say about you or the job you hold/status in life?
    Contrast that- What does being from Bedstuy usually mean? How about black from chicago?
    Are black men growing up in the late 70s-80s frequently allowed to travel/vacation in ANY other continent much less one seen as so "first world/high class" as Europe?
    You can answer these questions yourself. Is this right? No. SHOULD it be that way? Hell no. Is that how it is? Yes. Does the imagery and symbolism of what 'Europe' represents to the average ear effective? Yes

    yall niggas can go rant and snap ur fingers at poetry slams all u want. Your claims are unfounded. If u need to build the erroneous straw man that Jay/Ye are white washing and speakin on having money and being in europe is a sac relig to the culture theres the counterpoints right there. While you're fishing for co-signs on the internet you missed the point patting yourself on the back.

    was about to mention that people sleep on this line. if you listen to the lyrics throughout the album you cant really say its just praising europe etc
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  • H-Rap 180H-Rap 180 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2012
    most of the negative watch the throne commentary is what happens when people (read:niggas) take things only for the literal meaning. they come to the easiest and simplest conclusion without 2nd thought of any other possibilities

    to answer chucks claim- when has and why would the system change because niggas are "angry" at it

    "when people (read:niggas)...."

    who are you Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity or Uncle Ruckus?

    Do you consider yourself a "nigga" or is that just a word you use on the Internet from behind pics of other men who you attempt to live vicariously through? When you say "Niggas are angry at it" who are you referring to the Niggas in a Paris?

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  • MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14 Posts: 15,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ckalokoh wrote: »
    Why, in Jay-z and Kanye´s eyes, is traveling to Paris the epitome of success for a black man? Any Tom Dick or Harry could jump on a plane and try to look successful. Why cant it be Blacks in MIT or Harvard? The city of Paris should give Jay and Kanye a key to the city for the free promotion/tourist video.

    I am a black male in college but i still say success is not about going to MIT or Harvard. Even the steve jobs and bill gates dropped out of school and built giant corporations without a college degree. Not to mention both jay and ye have scholarship funds. What yo are missing is the part of the song when jay talks about even if the nets goes 0-82 he gunna be goood.

    Jay-Z being a partial owner of something is every African American male or female should strive to do. We too stuck up in making it to the pro leagues or making a record label or making it mediocre. But Jay owns part of a company that is the new jersey nets. Not to mention this same album has songs like murder to excellence which is more real than most mainstream rap songs getting made now.
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  • H-Rap 180H-Rap 180 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When the data come back from the reaction features and shows who's been clicking all these buttons a lot of these bitches gonna look real red in the face.
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  • usmarin3usmarin3 Posts: 37,699 ✭✭✭✭✭
    8822 wrote: »
    usmarin3 wrote: »
    I agree with Young Guru more than any of these self righteous kuffi niggas. Why are ya'll niggas mad at Jay and Kanye for rapping about what they truly live, i agree that there needs to be balance (which WTT had) but the issue is not Jay or Kanye it's the major labels and radio.

    I'm kind of sick of niggas with this mentality that the black experience is only limited to the struggle. Fuck outta here with that bullshit, not all of us came from poverty and struggle and there is nothing wrong with being proud of what you or your family worked for.

    Stop attributing the worst shit to being black or the whole black experience. It's a lot of niggas out her kicking that conscious shit that ain't backing up their claims with money or charity.



    I think you may have possibly missed the point being made. Is it possible for two middle aged black men to acknowledge their success, however misguided by their notion of perceived success being attributable to eurocentric taste, to recognize and identify themselves as something other than nigga. With all do respect, i think that was the point and not that black should be defined by struggle or any monolithic view, whether by ourselves or outside influences. I think the overall idea is, the increasingly hypocritical position we as the younger black generation are facing; calling ourselves a name, with all its history, something we don't want anyone outside of the race to call us.

    It's a highly sophisticated debate to have, and i think your response, perhaps not intentionally, does a great disservice by regulating it to merely hate, or something spewed by some " self righteous kuffi nigga." just sayin...

    LOL ya'll same hypocrites chastise Jay and Kanye for their eurocentric lifestyle yet praise niggas like Rakim, Slick Rick, Kane,etc who all promoted Gucci, Mercedes,etc from the Public Enemy era in the mid 80s. Why didn't ya'll have a problem then when they were rocking all that euro shit? Fuck out of here with that N word shit because you know damn well you use the word and 99% of you niggas on this website use the word, and the word damn sure don't take on the same connotation it did from back in the days when it was used as a word to oppress.

    Chuck D was clearly being a fucking hater, if he wasn't why did he throw in that shot at then end with that 12 and 15 year old comment. The nigga is damn near condescending and a fucking hypocrite imo, this is the same clown who support Flava Flav crack head ass on tv.
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  • DMTxTHCDMTxTHC Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
    On a side note, T.I. beasted on Niggas in Paris. I like his verse more than the original song itself...

    ...and the video for Niggas in Paris is pretty good as well.
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  • usmarin3usmarin3 Posts: 37,699 ✭✭✭✭✭
    8822 wrote: »
    usmarin3 wrote: »
    Basically, Chuck D doesn't believe that progressive/reflective songs about success can inspire people. He also implied that Jay and Kanye's black fans will never be able to travel internationally. The snarky comment about [Jay and Ye's] age only proves that there is cynicism regarding "luxury/grown up" rap.


    Chuck D: I mean, I’m not mad at them, I’m happy that they’re great artists. But at the same time, I’m always gonna be mad at the machine. I’m always gonna be angry at corporations. And I’m always gonna be angry at people that show off their money to the poor and the growing poor in America and across the world. That’s just how I am. And people can say that’s bitter, but why wouldn’t I be angry at that? I know I’m privileged, but I’m just totally, totally against somebody showing off riches to the poor. It goes against every fuckin’ storybook tale that we’ve learned since kindergarten. Robin Hood robbed from the rich and gave to the poor and was a hero. How the fuck you gonna rob from the poor and be the rich and be a hero? It just doesn’t make any damn sense.

    I bet that nigga ain't giving up those checks he made from his PE days, having the nerve to talk about Robin Hood. Kanye and Jay-z employ many black folks or gave them starting positions in the music business, name one person Chuck D employs or has ever put on. All these old niggas do is bitch and complain, what they fail to acknowledge is you have to get inside the system ( a position of power) to change the system. You think these companies are gonna throw money behind something that ain't selling units.

    how exactly is by jay and kanye making a song titled Niggas In Paris into a global anthem changing the system. no disrespect but we have to get off of this lazy way of thinking. Often times the means may not necessarily equal the ends.
    8822 wrote: »
    usmarin3 wrote: »
    Basically, Chuck D doesn't believe that progressive/reflective songs about success can inspire people. He also implied that Jay and Kanye's black fans will never be able to travel internationally. The snarky comment about [Jay and Ye's] age only proves that there is cynicism regarding "luxury/grown up" rap.


    Chuck D: I mean, I’m not mad at them, I’m happy that they’re great artists. But at the same time, I’m always gonna be mad at the machine. I’m always gonna be angry at corporations. And I’m always gonna be angry at people that show off their money to the poor and the growing poor in America and across the world. That’s just how I am. And people can say that’s bitter, but why wouldn’t I be angry at that? I know I’m privileged, but I’m just totally, totally against somebody showing off riches to the poor. It goes against every fuckin’ storybook tale that we’ve learned since kindergarten. Robin Hood robbed from the rich and gave to the poor and was a hero. How the fuck you gonna rob from the poor and be the rich and be a hero? It just doesn’t make any damn sense.

    I bet that nigga ain't giving up those checks he made from his PE days, having the nerve to talk about Robin Hood. Kanye and Jay-z employ many black folks or gave them starting positions in the music business, name one person Chuck D employs or has ever put on. All these old niggas do is bitch and complain, what they fail to acknowledge is you have to get inside the system ( a position of power) to change the system. You think these companies are gonna throw money behind something that ain't selling units.

    how exactly is by jay and kanye making a song titled Niggas In Paris into a global anthem changing the system. no disrespect but we have to get off of this lazy way of thinking. Often times the means may not necessarily equal the ends.

    Listen her dumbass, read what i said and use some critical thinking for once. I said in order to change the system you have to get inside the system, which is what Kanye and Jay have done being executives and label owners, you think all that conscious shit that these niggas like Talib, Mos,etc are kicking is being listened to by anyone, those mfs barely sell records. You think a white exec know how to market dudes like those, a Kanye and Jay-z does. Who did Jay-z sign as mcs when he got Roc Nation, J Cole and Jay Electronica. That alone should tell you where this dude is heading and what he wants to promote, but ya'll don't see the bigger picture. Ya'll think Jay-z and Kanye can put out a song called WATCH THE KENTE CLOTH and radio will eat it up like that, ya'll know damn well radio has their format and a song like that would never get played. That's why Pac said you got to make those radio records and make the album the real shit.

    Jay nor Kanye can change radio, they have to play within the rules of the business.
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  • H-Rap 180H-Rap 180 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2012
    On a side note, T.I. beasted on Niggas in Paris. I like his verse more than the original song itself...

    ...and the video for Niggas in Paris is pretty good as well.

    Study this thread Bruh, this shit is textbook.


    A man can see 55 examples why his bitch has been cheating on him but he loves the bitch so much that he ignores all the signs:



    The bitch has been spotted with other men
    The bitch won't answer her cellphone anymore
    The bitch comes home in the middle of the night
    The bitch pussy don't have that snap-back like it did

    Etc etc


    Her man is in denial that somebody is smashing his bitch and when you tried to tell him he replied with:


    All girls have male friends, Kim Kardashian was just friends with Kanye West, and they never had sex
    Women don't answer their cellphones all the time they prefer text-messaging or leaving the phone in the car
    She spends long hours at the gym working out so it's natural for her to come home and go straight to the shower
    Her vagina always loses it's tightness and grip because she's on a different kind of birth-control that alters the P/H



    I'm fucking his bitch and I'm pretty sure he knows I'm fucking his bitch but he loves the bitch so deeply that he refuses to acknowledge the fact that she's a whore, a tramp, a slut, and a nasty ass bitch that's getting fucked by H-Rap.




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  • supersajinfosupersajinfo Posts: 461 ✭✭
    I didn't like watch the throne and was one of the first to say that shit had no replay value .The few gems they drop get washed out by the overrall wall of sound vibe I get from this album.Yes this album is Eurocentric and xenocentric.These guys could have dropped a boom bap album with the same title with the same lyrics and I guarantee they would have got universal praise on this site.I think a lot of folks don't like bourgeois vibe that they are putting on it does come across as snooty when the majority of kanyes fans were at first struggling college kids .I don't need for a rapper to remind me every five seconds that I live in a fucked up world at the same time I don't mind him telling me that he is successful.
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  • DMTxTHCDMTxTHC Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
    H-Rap 180 wrote: »
    On a side note, T.I. beasted on Niggas in Paris. I like his verse more than the original song itself...

    ...and the video for Niggas in Paris is pretty good as well.

    Study this thread Bruh, this shit is textbook.


    A man can see 55 examples why his bitch has been cheating on him but he loves the bitch so much that he ignores all the signs:



    The bitch has been spotted with other men
    The bitch won't answer her cellphone anymore
    The bitch comes home in the middle of the night
    The bitch pussy don't have that snap-back like it did

    Etc etc


    Her man is in denial that somebody is smashing his bitch and when you tried to tell him he replied with:


    All girls have male friends, Kim Kardashian was just friends with Kanye West, and they never had sex
    Women don't answer their cellphones all the time they prefer text-messaging or leaving the phone in the car
    She spends long hours at the gym working out so it's natural for her to come home and go straight to the shower
    Her vagina always loses it's tightness and grip because she's on a different kind of birth-control that alters the P/H



    I'm fucking his bitch and I'm pretty sure he knows I'm fucking his bitch but he loves the bitch so deeply that he refuses to acknowledge the fact that she's a whore, a tramp, a slut, and a nasty ass bitch that's getting fucked by H-Rap.




    Lmao, well damn.

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    I didn't like watch the throne and was one of the first to say that shit had no replay value .The few gems they drop get washed out by the overrall wall of sound vibe I get from this album.Yes this album is Eurocentric and xenocentric.These guys could have dropped a boom bap album with the same title with the same lyrics and I guarantee they would have got universal praise on this site.I think a lot of folks don't like bourgeois vibe that they are putting on it does come across as snooty when the majority of kanyes fans were at first struggling college kids .I don't need for a rapper to remind me every five seconds that I live in a fucked up world at the same time I don't mind him telling me that he is successful.

    The reason new york hip hop is played out is because the cliche raps over boom bap with 90 different raps about shooting a gun. And for as eurocentric as one might think the album is murder to excellence is one of the few mainstream songs to address black on black murder cause nobody else mainstream wanna talk about it like that.
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