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  • husnain1husnain1 Posts: 87
    the realm of science exists in the "physical" universe. if it cannot be observed, tested, falsified, and reproduced it has no place in science. God is beyond the physical (i.e. metaphysical). science tries to explain natural phenomenon and therefore it doesnt see a need for God however, it doesnt preclude the existence of God. Science can tell you that the "Big Bang" happened or that natural selection occurs but it can't tell you why. For those who believe in God, He is the reason why. from my own point of view it appears statistically impossible for EVERYTHING to have occurred exactly the way it did for us to be here (i.e. with all the infinite possibilities possible how is it everyone that benefited us occurred). If the earth was a bit closer to the sun, or if gravity's pull was a bit stronger, or if the mass of an electron was a bit more, or if the the meteor that hit the earth at exactly that precise moment in time causing the extinction of dinosaurs hadn't occurred, we would not be here. I accept because of the infinite probabilities of every outcome over billions of years there is a probability that everything did occur exactly the way it did however, I can also see it being precisely calculated by God.
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  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,959
    edited July 2012
    Nounnaw the
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    judahxulu wrote: »
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    Any given point in time is 0 on a number line. Any past time is negative numbers and future time is positive numbers.
    0 = AIN SOPH

    Time is a man-made concept to make sense of and measure movement/change. Would you say that movement itself is a manifestation of your god's presense? That's what I'm getting from that. What I meant is that even though we can't really "observe" eternity is because of course, we aren't immortal, but eternity is easy to think about, using the number line example. There is an infinite number of digits on both sides of 0.

    Nah..not exactly. I said that because YHWH = (He Who) Is- Was-Will Be. 0 point is the now (no beginning-no end). the line itself then would be YHWH in totality, I guess how other people say "the Source". Shekinah is the word for the presence which would be the field in which movement is perceptible. Ain Soph is a particular aspect of the whole entity concept = the 0. Our present concept of time is manmade and it is partially explained in the prophecy of Daniel : (7:25) And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    The "time" mentioned in the bolded is not as westerners see it but "set times, appointed times, seasons" In the hebraic cultural context, the past is seen as in front of the face and the future behind the back as the past can be seen the future cannot be seen- only possibilities. prophecy is like this- if the sun was the intellect of the Most High the shadow behind man is his future and it changes according to his movement. you can see behind urself, prophets tell you where your shadow will go per your movement. einstein was an expert in the hebrew language and his work depends on it heavily. in b'raysheet, the "days" of the creation are not 24 hour periods. a better term would be "phases" and there is not a set quantitative measurement for these phases.
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  • BlackxChildBlackxChild Posts: 2,152
    Its easy to get people to believe in bullshit look at kim jong il he had people thinking he could fly.
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  • bambubambu Posts: 1,831
    BlackxChild wrote: »
    Its easy to get people to believe in bullshit look at kim jong il he had people thinking he could fly.

    Yeah, and white folks got niggas cosigning this shit....
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  • Oceanic Oceanic Posts: 5,340
    edited July 2012
    judahxulu wrote: »
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    judahxulu wrote: »
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    Any given point in time is 0 on a number line. Any past time is negative numbers and future time is positive numbers.
    0 = AIN SOPH

    Time is a man-made concept to make sense of and measure movement/change. Would you say that movement itself is a manifestation of your god's presense? That's what I'm getting from that. What I meant is that even though we can't really "observe" eternity is because of course, we aren't immortal, but eternity is easy to think about, using the number line example. There is an infinite number of digits on both sides of 0.

    Nah..not exactly. I said that because YHWH = (He Who) Is- Was-Will Be. 0 point is the now (no beginning-no end). the line itself then would be YHWH in totality, I guess how other people say "the Source". Shekinah is the word for the presence which would be the field in which movement is perceptible. Ain Soph is a particular aspect of the whole entity concept = the 0.

    That's one way of looking at it. So just like in mathematics, the 0 or the source holds all possibilities? What would make this 0 a "being"
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  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,959
    You can get muthafuckas
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    judahxulu wrote: »
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    judahxulu wrote: »
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    Any given point in time is 0 on a number line. Any past time is negative numbers and future time is positive numbers.
    0 = AIN SOPH

    Time is a man-made concept to make sense of and measure movement/change. Would you say that movement itself is a manifestation of your god's presense? That's what I'm getting from that. What I meant is that even though we can't really "observe" eternity is because of course, we aren't immortal, but eternity is easy to think about, using the number line example. There is an infinite number of digits on both sides of 0.

    Nah..not exactly. I said that because YHWH = (He Who) Is- Was-Will Be. 0 point is the now (no beginning-no end). the line itself then would be YHWH in totality, I guess how other people say "the Source". Shekinah is the word for the presence which would be the field in which movement is perceptible. Ain Soph is a particular aspect of the whole entity concept = the 0.

    That's one way of looking at it. So just like in mathematics, the 0 or the source holds all possibilities? What would make this 0 a "being"

    the 0 is not a being lol. Hebrew thought dont work like that and thats my personal platform. the point is understanding the role, movement, purpose and relativism of the 0 to integers.
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  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,959
    judahxulu wrote: »
    You can get muthafuckas
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    judahxulu wrote: »
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    judahxulu wrote: »
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    Any given point in time is 0 on a number line. Any past time is negative numbers and future time is positive numbers.
    0 = AIN SOPH

    Time is a man-made concept to make sense of and measure movement/change. Would you say that movement itself is a manifestation of your god's presense? That's what I'm getting from that. What I meant is that even though we can't really "observe" eternity is because of course, we aren't immortal, but eternity is easy to think about, using the number line example. There is an infinite number of digits on both sides of 0.

    Nah..not exactly. I said that because YHWH = (He Who) Is- Was-Will Be. 0 point is the now (no beginning-no end). the line itself then would be YHWH in totality, I guess how other people say "the Source". Shekinah is the word for the presence which would be the field in which movement is perceptible. Ain Soph is a particular aspect of the whole entity concept = the 0.

    That's one way of looking at it. So just like in mathematics, the 0 or the source holds all possibilities? What would make this 0 a "being"

    the 0 is not a being lol. Hebrew thought dont work like that and thats my personal platform. the point is understanding the role, movement, purpose and relativism of the 0 to integers.

    also- the point is "no-thing" being the matrix of all things. the things are "carved or made fat" (bara- called created in english) from no-thing. the core of every atom is no-thing
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  • Oceanic Oceanic Posts: 5,340
    But most creationists make the point that something cannot come from nothing. Let me ask a few questions to get a clearer understanding because you said that the source is not a being:

    1. What is the role or purpose of the source and as living beings, what is our relationship to the Source?
    2. What is the process of creation?
    3. You've mentioned fields, and multiple brains before, multiple dimensions; can you describe them?
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  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,959
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    But most creationists make the point that something cannot come from nothing. Let me ask a few questions to get a clearer understanding because you said that the source is not a being:

    1. What is the role or purpose of the source and as living beings, what is our relationship to the Source?
    2. What is the process of creation?
    3. You've mentioned fields, and multiple brains before, multiple dimensions; can you describe them?

    1) the role and purpose of the source? its the membrane between the unseen and the seen. living beings are part of the source but the source is fractal in nature.
    2.) simplified: intention-thought-motion-substance. very general. as far as the earth idk. genesis isnt about that, at least in a linear sense, contrary to popular thought.
    3) sheldrake and his many writings on morphic fields and morphic resonance can describe the fields best as they relate to consciousness in groups, groupings relative to individual unit. on a smaller scale or larger depending, all matter has a field around it which hold the atoms in a certain form. this can be hacked. there are 3 distinct forms of consciousness that use the brain, the heart area and the lower abdominal/groin area. multiple dimensions...different forms of life on different levels of density
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  • bambubambu Posts: 1,831
    maestro_lungs wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    @maestro_lungs.....

    Again you can only speak for your own knowledge level not mine......

    Actually, This is what you said....
    maestro_lungs wrote: »
    Now Please Point out The Differences in Races other than the Color of our skins!
    maestro_lungs wrote: »
    I Oppose you Trying to Link what is Called Social Darwinism With The Theory of Evolution.


    The link that you claim is "non-existent" is proven wrong in the Maafa 21 video and the book that I posted......


    Believe what you must. However don't try to oppose my argument and then claim that "books" and research are not a proper means of rebuttal.....

    You sound stupid nigga.....


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    Asking You to Point out Differences is Me Asking You, Not asking You to go Find a Book & Call that Evidence!

    I Said I Oppose You Linking Evolution & Darwinism, Cause It's Not Your Idea. It's Something You Read From somebody & Trying to Pass it off as Fact!

    Books & Research are a Proper Means of Rebuttal, But Not The Only Means. Not To Launch a Ad Homin Attack, But Who The Fuck is This Guy? I'm watch the Video Later I Guess, But Who is He & Why is His View Even Credible to You?

    Dumbest nigga in the IC.........
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  • bambubambu Posts: 1,831
    *** 2nd Dumbest nigga in the IC **
    KAMP_KAOSmaestro_lungs
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  • Oceanic Oceanic Posts: 5,340
    edited July 2012
    judahxulu wrote: »
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    But most creationists make the point that something cannot come from nothing. Let me ask a few questions to get a clearer understanding because you said that the source is not a being:

    1. What is the role or purpose of the source and as living beings, what is our relationship to the Source?
    2. What is the process of creation?
    3. You've mentioned fields, and multiple brains before, multiple dimensions; can you describe them?

    1) the role and purpose of the source? its the membrane between the unseen and the seen. living beings are part of the source but the source is fractal in nature.
    2.) simplified: intention-thought-motion-substance. very general. as far as the earth idk. genesis isnt about that, at least in a linear sense, contrary to popular thought.
    3) sheldrake and his many writings on morphic fields and morphic resonance can describe the fields best as they relate to consciousness in groups, groupings relative to individual unit. on a smaller scale or larger depending, all matter has a field around it which hold the atoms in a certain form. this can be hacked. there are 3 distinct forms of consciousness that use the brain, the heart area and the lower abdominal/groin area. multiple dimensions...different forms of life on different levels of density

    That's one way of looking at it but there are many other views to explain the world around us. Let's say I know absolutely nothing about spirituality, religion, philosophy or anything similar. What would you tell me or how would you explain your spirituality? How would you point me to the "truth"? How could I observe or come to KNOW that what you're saying is true? I'm not trying to troll you so don't take it that way -- just trying to get a grip on what you're saying and I know it can be difficult with a few paragraphs or sentences. If you want to, you can refer books or if you have the time, drop as much as you know. Melanchated Chemist gave me some books to read; when I have the time, I'll check em out, cuz I was interested in what he had to say. But you don't have to simplify. If it's not inconveniencing you, I'm down to read lol
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