Trayvon Martin Case.... the plot thickens

fiat_money

Black Jerry Maguire wrote: »

apocalyptica wrote: »

SuperstarCole wrote: »

13 year old eye witness?LOLOLOLOL

Well he was a brotha. Usually that means something to black folks. He is in 1:57 onwards in the video in this link.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239#.T3ELpdWwUb4

If you need an adult witness, check this out.

doesn't help Zimmerman's case.

A witness saying they saw Zimmerman on the ground being attacked by Treyvon is probably the biggest help to his case.

apocalyptica

Black Jerry Maguire wrote: »

apocalyptica wrote: »

SuperstarCole wrote: »

13 year old eye witness?LOLOLOLOL

Well he was a brotha. Usually that means something to black folks. He is in 1:57 onwards in the video in this link.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239#.T3ELpdWwUb4

If you need an adult witness, check this out.

doesn't help Zimmerman's case.

Oh alright lol...

Lurker6

fiat_money wrote: »

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

He must prove that he really feared for his life otherwise the level of force was unjustified, which could be quite hard considering the fact that Trayvon was on his own and unarmed. And by asking if there was blood of Trayvon on Zimmermann's clothes, I implied that there must have been some distance between the 2, which contradicts Zimmermann's claim that Martin was sitting on top of him and even more contradicts the notion that the shot was fired while the 2 were in a scuffle.

Since the law is quite vague, fear for his life shouldn't be too hard to claim; especially if the witness(es) confirms that he was screaming for help and considering his injuries.

If Zimmerman's clothing was properly tested, there may have been some blood mist on him. However, the main evidence of a contact gunshot would be some kind of muzzle burn or charring of clothes/flesh around the entry point; gunpowder on his skin clothing can also confirm the closeness of the shot.



If this shit goes anything like Joe Horn's case, Zimmerman should be good:

Come on fiat you can do better than that, Joe Horn defended his home against 2 grown men, this is a crystal clear case of the castle law doctrine and moreover he didnt use any racial slurs while doing so.
I dont see any relation to this case.

Joe defended his neighbor's home against two grown men, by leaving his own home to shoot them, after stating to the 911 operator that he intended to kill them; they only walked on his lawn after he confronted them.

This shows the vagueness of "self-defense" law.

Since Florida has the "stand your ground" law, Zimmerman doesn't need the "castle doctrine"; so his being attacked after confronting Treyvon is enough for him to claim he was acting in self-defense.

I never said the circumstances were related, but that I think the cases will play out similarly; meaning, unless something changes, I don't think Zimmerman will have any serious criminal charges to deal with.

A civil case from the family is likely though.

didnt they guy also shoot them in the back as they ran? if i remember correctly............

fiat_money

Lurker6 wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

He must prove that he really feared for his life otherwise the level of force was unjustified, which could be quite hard considering the fact that Trayvon was on his own and unarmed. And by asking if there was blood of Trayvon on Zimmermann's clothes, I implied that there must have been some distance between the 2, which contradicts Zimmermann's claim that Martin was sitting on top of him and even more contradicts the notion that the shot was fired while the 2 were in a scuffle.

Since the law is quite vague, fear for his life shouldn't be too hard to claim; especially if the witness(es) confirms that he was screaming for help and considering his injuries.

If Zimmerman's clothing was properly tested, there may have been some blood mist on him. However, the main evidence of a contact gunshot would be some kind of muzzle burn or charring of clothes/flesh around the entry point; gunpowder on his skin clothing can also confirm the closeness of the shot.



If this shit goes anything like Joe Horn's case, Zimmerman should be good:

Come on fiat you can do better than that, Joe Horn defended his home against 2 grown men, this is a crystal clear case of the castle law doctrine and moreover he didnt use any racial slurs while doing so.
I dont see any relation to this case.

Joe defended his neighbor's home against two grown men, by leaving his own home to shoot them, after stating to the 911 operator that he intended to kill them; they only walked on his lawn after he confronted them.

This shows the vagueness of "self-defense" law.

Since Florida has the "stand your ground" law, Zimmerman doesn't need the "castle doctrine"; so his being attacked after confronting Treyvon is enough for him to claim he was acting in self-defense.

I never said the circumstances were related, but that I think the cases will play out similarly; meaning, unless something changes, I don't think Zimmerman will have any serious criminal charges to deal with.

A civil case from the family is likely though.

didnt they guy also shoot them in the back as they ran? if i remember correctly............

Yeh.

Black_Samson

A member of the New Orleans Police Dept. has been suspended without pay after incendiary comments attributed to him about the killing of Trayvon Martin were found posted online.

Jason Giroir, the officer, is under investigation after comments were posted on a story about a local rally for Martin published on the WWL-TV website.

"Act like a Thug Die like one!" one comment reads.

Later, Giroir—who identified himself as "Works at NOPD"—responded to another commenter who claimed the initial comment was racially insensitive: "Eddie come on down to our town with a 'Hoodie' and you can join Martin in HELL and talk about your racist stories!"

NOPD superintendent Ronal Serpas, who called for the investigation, said the comments "have caused me great concern concerning his fitness for duty."

"To say that I'm angry is an understatement," Serpas added. "Let me be clear: the hardworking men and women of the NOPD do not condone such statements."

Giroir had already been assigned to desk duty for his involvement in a traffic stop that ended in a shootout.

According to WWL-TV, Giroir "pulled over brothers Justin and Earl Sipp for a traffic violation on March 1, and a shootout erupted after two officers were called to the scene to back [him] up."

Craig Robinson

#1 pick wrote: »

apocalyptica wrote: »

That's not Trayvon. It's someone else with the same name. Trayvon looks like Raja Bell.

I know for a fact the shirtless pic isn't Trayvon (nh). It's taken from a facebook page of somebody with the same name.

MikeydaGawd

Thulsa Doom wrote: »

A member of the New Orleans Police Dept. has been suspended without pay after incendiary comments attributed to him about the killing of Trayvon Martin were found posted online.

Jason Giroir, the officer, is under investigation after comments were posted on a story about a local rally for Martin published on the WWL-TV website.

"Act like a Thug Die like one!" one comment reads.

Later, Giroir—who identified himself as "Works at NOPD"—responded to another commenter who claimed the initial comment was racially insensitive: "Eddie come on down to our town with a 'Hoodie' and you can join Martin in HELL and talk about your racist stories!"

NOPD superintendent Ronal Serpas, who called for the investigation, said the comments "have caused me great concern concerning his fitness for duty."

"To say that I'm angry is an understatement," Serpas added. "Let me be clear: the hardworking men and women of the NOPD do not condone such statements."

Giroir had already been assigned to desk duty for his involvement in a traffic stop that ended in a shootout.

According to WWL-TV, Giroir "pulled over brothers Justin and Earl Sipp for a traffic violation on March 1, and a shootout erupted after two officers were called to the scene to back [him] up."

man wtf !

Doubletee

This black panther guy on anderson cooper need to sit his ass down somewhere.

bull6599

SMH! If Zimmerman wanted to pop some body it shoulda been these niggas. Shits disguisting!!!!

CollegeBoi12

bull6599 wrote: »

SMH! If Zimmerman wanted to pop some body it shoulda been these niggas. Shits disguisting!!!!

wtf....

twizza 77

bull6599 wrote: »

SMH! If Zimmerman wanted to pop some body it shoulda been these niggas. Shits disguisting!!!!

This is wrong on so many levels. Its like MLK episode on the Boondocks. I bet security won't let you in if you're wearing a hoodie. What are you going to do with an empty bag of Skittles.

Matt-

Lol Greensboro don't give a fuck

riddlerap

at this point this has definitely become one of those blindly support a certain cause things. (for the majority of blacks, anyway)

they decided before all the facts came out to feel a certain way, and decide innocence/guilt before knowing everything.

Matt-

riddlerap wrote: »

at this point this has definitely become one of those blindly support a certain cause things. (for the majority of blacks, anyway)

they decided before all the facts came out to feel a certain way, and decide innocence/guilt before knowing everything.

Jenna 6/ duke lacrosse all over again?

-Vincenzo-

apocalyptica wrote: »

SuperstarCole wrote: »

13 year old eye witness?LOLOLOLOL

Well he was a brotha. Usually that means something to black folks. He is in 1:57 onwards in the video in this link.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239#.T3ELpdWwUb4

If you need an adult witness, check this out.

Is this the FOX NEWS logo in the lower left corner bro?

fiat_money

That's just local news though.

Matt-

Its gonna be pure comedy if he gets arrested. Tried. And found innocent.

-Vincenzo-

fiat_money wrote: »

Black Jerry Maguire wrote: »

apocalyptica wrote: »

SuperstarCole wrote: »

13 year old eye witness?LOLOLOLOL

Well he was a brotha. Usually that means something to black folks. He is in 1:57 onwards in the video in this link.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239#.T3ELpdWwUb4

If you need an adult witness, check this out.

doesn't help Zimmerman's case.

A witness saying they saw Zimmerman on the ground being attacked by Treyvon is probably the biggest help to his case.

being beaten and being attacked is not the same fiat and that is crucial in this case. who was the assailant? it is beyond doubt that Zimmermann has killed Martin, to avoid prosecution he claims self-defense:

If Zimmermann claims self-defense, it is up to him to prove beyond doubt that the preconditions for a self-defense action were given. Which could mean in specific, he has to prove Martin attacked him and not the other way around. Prosecuters dont have to prove that it was not self-defense, for a self-defense claim the defendant carrys the burden of proof.

Matt-

Isn't there a witness saying he attacked Zimmerman?

fiat_money

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Black Jerry Maguire wrote: »

apocalyptica wrote: »

SuperstarCole wrote: »

13 year old eye witness?LOLOLOLOL

Well he was a brotha. Usually that means something to black folks. He is in 1:57 onwards in the video in this link.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239#.T3ELpdWwUb4

If you need an adult witness, check this out.

doesn't help Zimmerman's case.

A witness saying they saw Zimmerman on the ground being attacked by Treyvon is probably the biggest help to his case.

being beaten and being attacked is not the same fiat and that is crucial in this case. who was the assailant? it is beyond doubt that Zimmermann has killed Martin, to avoid prosecution he claims self-defense:

If Zimmermann claims self-defense, it is up to him to prove beyond doubt that the preconditions for a self-defense action were given. Which could mean in specific, he has to prove Martin attacked him and not the other way around. Prosecuters dont have to prove that it was not self-defense, for a self-defense claim the defendant carrys the burden of proof.

Not in Florida, with the "stand your ground" law; they can't even legally arrest him unless they have something suggesting the use of force was unlawful.

If the burden of proof was on him, they could've arrested him on the spot; and waited to try his claim of self-defense in court.

Be it beaten or attacked, if either was witnessed as being administered by Treyvon to Zimmerman, it would help Zimmerman's case.

MR.CJ

bull6599 wrote: »

SMH! If Zimmerman wanted to pop some body it shoulda been these niggas. Shits disguisting!!!!

wooooooooooooooooow

(ob)Scene

fiat_money wrote: »

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Black Jerry Maguire wrote: »

apocalyptica wrote: »

SuperstarCole wrote: »

13 year old eye witness?LOLOLOLOL

Well he was a brotha. Usually that means something to black folks. He is in 1:57 onwards in the video in this link.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239#.T3ELpdWwUb4

If you need an adult witness, check this out.

doesn't help Zimmerman's case.

A witness saying they saw Zimmerman on the ground being attacked by Treyvon is probably the biggest help to his case.

being beaten and being attacked is not the same fiat and that is crucial in this case. who was the assailant? it is beyond doubt that Zimmermann has killed Martin, to avoid prosecution he claims self-defense:

If Zimmermann claims self-defense, it is up to him to prove beyond doubt that the preconditions for a self-defense action were given. Which could mean in specific, he has to prove Martin attacked him and not the other way around. Prosecuters dont have to prove that it was not self-defense, for a self-defense claim the defendant carrys the burden of proof.

Not in Florida, with the "stand your ground" law; they can't even legally arrest him unless they have something suggesting the use of force was unlawful.

If the burden of proof was on him, they could've arrested him on the spot; and waited to try his claim of self-defense in court.

Be it beaten or attacked, if either was witnessed as being administered by Treyvon to Zimmerman, it would help Zimmerman's case.

But wait isn't "force," as you so stated, w/ a deadly weapon--registered or otherwise--already unlawful to begin with? Seeing that he wasn't in his home or even in front of his home at the time the burden of proving that the force used w/ a deadly weapon was indeed "self-defense" is left upon him.

No one saw the fight begin. The few witnesses that did see the actual fight didn't come along until after the fight was already underway. All the known facts prior to fight insinuate that Mr. Zimmerman actually instigated the confrontation in which case Trayvon Martin would have been the one standing his ground.

In the end these are all very valid points that leave behind far too many uncertainties... meaning the police had no grounds to let Zimmerman walk following the incident. It is not the police department's duty to interpret laws such as stand your ground. That is the job of lawyers, a judge & jury.

If you have a dead body the shooter should be arrested unless all the evidence is concrete (which in this case it was not). If the person is arrested, posts bail & is then free until their trial date then we would be having a completely different discussion. Unfortunately the officers in this instance did not properly fulfill their duties, thus giving us the shit storm we have now.

-Vincenzo-

fiat_money wrote: »

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Black Jerry Maguire wrote: »

apocalyptica wrote: »

SuperstarCole wrote: »

13 year old eye witness?LOLOLOLOL

Well he was a brotha. Usually that means something to black folks. He is in 1:57 onwards in the video in this link.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239#.T3ELpdWwUb4

If you need an adult witness, check this out.

doesn't help Zimmerman's case.

A witness saying they saw Zimmerman on the ground being attacked by Treyvon is probably the biggest help to his case.

being beaten and being attacked is not the same fiat and that is crucial in this case. who was the assailant? it is beyond doubt that Zimmermann has killed Martin, to avoid prosecution he claims self-defense:

If Zimmermann claims self-defense, it is up to him to prove beyond doubt that the preconditions for a self-defense action were given. Which could mean in specific, he has to prove Martin attacked him and not the other way around. Prosecuters dont have to prove that it was not self-defense, for a self-defense claim the defendant carrys the burden of proof.

Not in Florida, with the "stand your ground" law; they can't even legally arrest him unless they have something suggesting the use of force was unlawful.

If the burden of proof was on him, they could've arrested him on the spot; and waited to try his claim of self-defense in court.

Be it beaten or attacked, if either was witnessed as being administered by Treyvon to Zimmerman, it would help Zimmerman's case.

okay, but he still has to prove the force was reasonable.

in other news, here is the initial police report not mentioning any blood stains on zimmermann's clothing:

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin Lakes Shooting Initial Report.pdf

Any trained police officer mentiones something like that. How do you shoot someone who is sitting on top of you punching you but dont have any blood stains on your clothing?

fiat_money

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

-Vincenzo- wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Black Jerry Maguire wrote: »

apocalyptica wrote: »

SuperstarCole wrote: »

13 year old eye witness?LOLOLOLOL

Well he was a brotha. Usually that means something to black folks. He is in 1:57 onwards in the video in this link.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239#.T3ELpdWwUb4

If you need an adult witness, check this out.

doesn't help Zimmerman's case.

A witness saying they saw Zimmerman on the ground being attacked by Treyvon is probably the biggest help to his case.

being beaten and being attacked is not the same fiat and that is crucial in this case. who was the assailant? it is beyond doubt that Zimmermann has killed Martin, to avoid prosecution he claims self-defense:

If Zimmermann claims self-defense, it is up to him to prove beyond doubt that the preconditions for a self-defense action were given. Which could mean in specific, he has to prove Martin attacked him and not the other way around. Prosecuters dont have to prove that it was not self-defense, for a self-defense claim the defendant carrys the burden of proof.

Not in Florida, with the "stand your ground" law; they can't even legally arrest him unless they have something suggesting the use of force was unlawful.

If the burden of proof was on him, they could've arrested him on the spot; and waited to try his claim of self-defense in court.

Be it beaten or attacked, if either was witnessed as being administered by Treyvon to Zimmerman, it would help Zimmerman's case.

okay, but he still has to prove the force was reasonable.

in other news, here is the initial police report not mentioning any blood stains on zimmermann's clothing:

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin Lakes Shooting Initial Report.pdf

Any trained police officer mentiones something like that. How do you shoot someone who is sitting on top of you punching you but dont have any blood stains on your clothing?

A contact shot through thick cloth (hoodie) doesn't necessarily mean there will be noticeable blood on the shooter, especially if Treyvon rolled off of Zimmerman after being shot.

lion_heart

Matt- wrote: »

riddlerap wrote: »

at this point this has definitely become one of those blindly support a certain cause things. (for the majority of blacks, anyway)

they decided before all the facts came out to feel a certain way, and decide innocence/guilt before knowing everything.

Jenna 6/ duke lacrosse all over again?

How does Jenna 6 even apply to this situation? And spare me that Duke lacrosse bullshit especially when the list is fucking long of white people who have blamed black people for crimes in which they or someone close to them actually committed. So you want to deal with facts then lets deal with them. Trayvon was minding his own fucking business FACT, Zimmerman called the police becuz Trayvon was a black male wearing a hoodie in a gated community FACT, Zimmerman kept following Trayvon when the police specifically told him not too FACT, Zimmerman after an altercation with Trayvon shot that young man DEAD FACT.