A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION (between an atheist professor and a christian student)

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  • bdbdbdbdbdbd Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    LOL yall niggas chill man its worth a small discussion LOL

    cant have the typical IC shit everyday in every thread LOL

    im saying though, thought it would make for an interesting convo lol
  • Knives AmilliKnives Amilli Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    A lot of Christians "arguments" like this always try to "prove" science wrong and/or say that faith doesn't need to be proven. Which is fucking retarded.

    Because how many christians, or any of practitioners of the major Abrahamic religions for that mattter, would have a problem with a huge portion of the world adopting a religion worshiping an invisible 3 armed monkey from Rigel? After all if I don't need empirical evidence of somethings existence, then everything I imagine can possibly exist.

    Just because you can "prove" science wrong or come to the conclusion that a lot of science is based around ever changing theory doesn't mean your right either, you fucking retards.
    -Vincenzo-bootsy_jenkins
  • UPTOWNUPTOWN Posts: 12,993 Regulator
    bdbdbd wrote: »
    both sides of the arguement were dumb as fuck

    if the absence of light is dark. then yes a shadow is dark... wtf is this young bull talking about

    and yes darkness can be measured. the less light there is, the more dark their is LOL contrast is the very thing that measures existence

    i think the student was tryna say that no matter how dark/cold it is, you still measure it by how hot/light it is...or isnt
    oh i know what he was trying to say LOL, but thats just it .. he was trying LOL. there is light and dark. not light and no light. the only way you could say there is no such thing as dark is to say that there is no state of existence where light does not exist. which we all know is false LOL

    and thats just it. if you believe in god and believe that he created everything then you have to "believe" in opposites too

    plus the lil dude was dumb because the professor argued that the devil was equal to god which he could have said no anyway smh

    no dude, just no. all dude said was that darkness comes from taking away light, not adding darkness.
    yes but in the bible the darkness was first LOL so god added light. so darkness doesnt come from taking away light. things are dark and then they become illuminated by light. there fore they exist in either state

  • BiblicalAtheist BiblicalAtheist Prude Posts: 10,520 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Show me where god resides believer!"

    "Show me where the mind resides unbeliever!"
  • Craig RobinsonCraig Robinson Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭✭
    bdbdbd wrote:
    SOmething i saw on Fb...

    Knew it was BS when I saw that
  • PimpMVPPimpMVP Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Man I swear Uptown is the dumbest poster ever

    Dude stay sounding dumb as fuck
    Craig Robinsonsoul rattler
  • BodhiBodhi Posts: 7,637 ✭✭✭✭✭
    bdbdbd wrote: »
    LOL yall niggas chill man its worth a small discussion LOL

    cant have the typical IC shit everyday in every thread LOL

    im saying though, thought it would make for an interesting convo lol


    visit the race and religion forum

  • UPTOWNUPTOWN Posts: 12,993 Regulator
    bdbdbd wrote: »
    LOL yall niggas chill man its worth a small discussion LOL

    cant have the typical IC shit everyday in every thread LOL

    im saying though, thought it would make for an interesting convo lol


    visit the race and religion forum
    we have LOL

  • BodhiBodhi Posts: 7,637 ✭✭✭✭✭
    bdbdbd wrote: »
    LOL yall niggas chill man its worth a small discussion LOL

    cant have the typical IC shit everyday in every thread LOL

    im saying though, thought it would make for an interesting convo lol


    visit the race and religion forum
    we have LOL

    my bad bro, I was talking to the other dude

  • JokerKingJokerKing She call me Mr. Boombastic say me fantastic, touch me in me back she say I'm Mr. Ro...mantic Watching Jimmy Fallon With Barbara GordonPosts: 23,816 Regulator
    If it was Einstein, that professor would have been mind fucked beyond all recognition
  • VIBEVIBE Awww Yeeaah! Posts: 38,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • edwardnigmaedwardnigma Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    I cant stand it when people act like because they had a friend who died or a relaive and they prayed the night before that GOd is now either evil or non existant.....NO

    They died because it was their time. Everybody that is born shall die. You have to come to terms with this reality, God is the creator of the process. Of all things, and one day your number will be called just as well. Self pity is self destructive.

    AND THEN I READ THE WHOLE THING!!!!

    O.k so I wrote the above without reading all of it and I have to say, if you do believe in God, that was a pretty good conversationg even if it was made up, I like the students perspective. Although Dark Matter is more than nothing, its what most of the universe is made up of....Nice read.
  • JokerKingJokerKing She call me Mr. Boombastic say me fantastic, touch me in me back she say I'm Mr. Ro...mantic Watching Jimmy Fallon With Barbara GordonPosts: 23,816 Regulator
    I remember, after I told everyone there was no way in hell Titanic would ever sink
    VIBE
  • BodhiBodhi Posts: 7,637 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    VIBE wrote: »
    I posted this 100 years ago.

    I thought I had seen it somewhere before

  • FucktheICFucktheIC Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not even going to point out the fallacies on each side of this fictitious argument. Let us take it at face value.

    Is his argument really that since I can't disprove God he has to exist?

    I can't disprove time travel either, but I'm not gonna hop into a fuckin' Delorean and hope for the best.
    Knives AmilliChicityYoung-Ice
  • silverfoxxsilverfoxx Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭✭✭
    bdbdbd wrote:
    SOmething i saw on Fb and thought was interesting, most of you wont read it but those of you who will i think will find it interesting.....me, i thought it very interesting, and i am not religious, but do believe in God...hope a few can make it to the end

    An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the Problem Science has
    With GOD , the ALMIGHTY. He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .

    Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
    Student : Yes, sir.
    Professor : So, you Believe in GOD ?
    Student : Absolutely, sir.
    Professor : Is GOD Good ?
    Student : Sure.
    Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

    (Student was silent )

    Professor : You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella.
    Is GOD Good?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : Is Satan good ?
    Student : No.
    Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
    Student : From . . . GOD . . .
    Professor : That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : So who created evil ?

    (Student did not answer)

    Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
    All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
    Student : Yes, sir.
    Professor : So, who Created them ?

    (Student ha d no answer)

    Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you. Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
    Student : No, sir.
    Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
    Student : No , sir.
    Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD , Tasted your GOD , Smelt your GOD ? Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
    Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
    Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
    Student : Yes.
    Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
    Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
    Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.

    Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
    Professor : Yes.
    Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
    Professor : Yes.
    Student : No, sir. There isn't..

    (The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )

    Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,
    a Little Heat or No Heat.
    But we don't have anything called Cold.
    We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after that.
    There is no such thing as Cold.
    Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.
    We cannot Measure Cold.
    Heat is Energy.
    Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.

    (There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )

    Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
    Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
    Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the Absence of Something
    You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . . But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called Darkness, isn't it? In reality, Darkness isn't. If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
    Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
    Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
    Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
    Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality. You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD. You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought. It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.
    Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it
    Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
    Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
    Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

    (The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )

    Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavor,
    Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?
    Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?
    (The Class was in Uproar )

    Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?

    (The Class broke out into Laughter )

    Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . .
    No one appears to have done so.
    So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that You have No Brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?

    (The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)

    Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
    Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly !
    The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
    That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.


    NB:

    I believe you have enjoyed the Conversation . . . and if so .. .
    You'll probably want your Friends / Colleagues to enjoy the same . . . won't you?
    Forward them to Increase their Knowledge . . . or FAITH.
    That student was Albert Einstein.


    Props Gee, good read.
  • BoldChildBoldChild Born alone, die alone. Posts: 10,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • Knives AmilliKnives Amilli Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    FucktheIC wrote: »
    I'm not even going to point out the fallacies on each side of this fictitious argument. Let us take it at face value.

    Is his argument really that since I can't disprove God he has to exist?

    I can't disprove time travel either, but I'm not gonna hop into a fuckin' Delorean and hope for the best.

    Same shit I said.

    And sad thing is, this is the ultimate trump card for a lot of christians when debating theology. Even IF YOU COULD fully disprove all science relating to the origin of the Universe and the evolution of life, "Yahweh did it" is still somehow the absolute correct answer, despite the literal thousands of belief relating to the birth of the universe with nearly just as much merit as "Yahweh did it"?

    Okay.

    Young-Ice
  • BiblicalAtheist BiblicalAtheist Prude Posts: 10,520 ✭✭✭✭✭
    People in GNS can have good long convos about religion and stuff I've seen it, but they won't venture to R&R to talk about it. And it's only a few clicks away. Always wondered why.
    tru_m.a.cWill MunnyYoung-Icefiat_money
  • hautehaute Posts: 11,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bible thumpers need to get better with these emails they create for a mass forwarding circle jerk


    Neither one of these arguments were good
    Will MunnyBoldChild
  • supaman4321supaman4321 Posts: 946
    Science does not eliminate God it eliminates models of God
  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    People in GNS can have good long convos about religion and stuff I've seen it, but they won't venture to R&R to talk about it. And it's only a few clicks away. Always wondered why.
    Them niggas ain't bout it bout it:
  • tru_m.a.ctru_m.a.c Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭✭
    Science does not eliminate God it eliminates models of God

    but if your idea of God rest within the confines of a religion you've been eliminated
    Doctopian
  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tru_m.a.c wrote: »
    Science does not eliminate God it eliminates models of God

    but if your idea of God rest within the confines of a religion you've been eliminated
    And if its only attributable features are "it's beyond human understanding" or "it can't be disproven", then it eliminates itself.

    Lose-lose.
    Doctopian
  • 1of11of1 Posts: 37,342 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is what it is
    because of what it was
    I did what I did
    Cuz it does what it does
    BiblicalAtheist
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