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WHAT QUALIFIES GOAT STATUS?

SupremeXXVSupremeXXV Posts: 579
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I'm not sure how many times this type of thread has been created before, but I just downloaded Beanie Sigel's new "Broad Street Empire" mixtape and the jawn is tough...Now, I've always been a fan of Beans and I feel like he's one of the best to ever pick up a mic, but my brother said he's not even top 50 because he doesn't have the album sales or hit records on his resume...So question, how important is the hit records/album sales or net worth to an artist claim as one of the GOAT'S? Does it hold weight amongst the listeners or is that just for magazines or MTV whenever they decide to create a list? All comments welcomed...thanks for the feedback in advance.
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  • Gen. StasiaGen. Stasia Posts: 1,670
    Its a balance of both. But i think its mainly based on IMPACT that Determine whether SOMEONE is great or not. How did he/she change the game and is his/her influence still prevalent to this day.

    Beans is a TOP TEIR Spitter and he can make an album but his impact isnt that strong.
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  • georgia boigeorgia boi Posts: 3,020
    An artist has to be consistently great in all categories. Not necessarily the best at everything because that's pretty much impossible. Their overall body of work should speak for itself.
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  • NothingButTheTruthNothingButTheTruth Posts: 6,782
    Longevity mixed with Relevance and Skill, but it has to be on a universal scale.
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  • SnowBunnySmangerSnowBunnySmanger Posts: 277
    Gen. Stasia wrote: »
    Its a balance of both. But i think its mainly based on IMPACT that Determine whether SOMEONE is great or not. How did he/she change the game and is his/her influence still prevalent to this day.

    Beans is a TOP TEIR Spitter and he can make an album but his impact isnt that strong.

    Impact is largely determined by popularity. If one were really to consider that the most integral factor of GOAT status then it would become nothing more than a popularity contest. Judging artists according to such thinking would mean that someone like Soulja Boy is closer to GOAT status than Beans.

    I don't think one could really argue that that is true though. Maybe someone can prove me wrong?
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  • Gen. StasiaGen. Stasia Posts: 1,670
    SnowBunnySmanger wrote: »
    Gen. Stasia wrote: »
    Its a balance of both. But i think its mainly based on IMPACT that Determine whether SOMEONE is great or not. How did he/she change the game and is his/her influence still prevalent to this day.

    Beans is a TOP TEIR Spitter and he can make an album but his impact isnt that strong.

    Impact is largely determined by popularity. If one were really to consider that the most integral factor of GOAT status then it would become nothing more than a popularity contest. Judging artists according to such thinking would mean that someone like Soulja Boy is closer to GOAT status than Beans.

    I don't think one could really argue that that is true though. Maybe someone can prove me wrong?

    Not necessarily. Illmatic wasnt a Multiplat album when it dropped but u cant deny it's IMPACT. (Biggie credited the influence to Ready to Die almost solely to Illmatic) I think its really the Impact within the culture not on the People (On lookers)
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  • SnowBunnySmangerSnowBunnySmanger Posts: 277
    Gen. Stasia wrote: »
    SnowBunnySmanger wrote: »
    Gen. Stasia wrote: »
    Its a balance of both. But i think its mainly based on IMPACT that Determine whether SOMEONE is great or not. How did he/she change the game and is his/her influence still prevalent to this day.

    Beans is a TOP TEIR Spitter and he can make an album but his impact isnt that strong.



    Impact is largely determined by popularity. If one were really to consider that the most integral factor of GOAT status then it would become nothing more than a popularity contest. Judging artists according to such thinking would mean that someone like Soulja Boy is closer to GOAT status than Beans.

    I don't think one could really argue that that is true though. Maybe someone can prove me wrong?

    Not necessarily. Illmatic wasnt a Multiplat album when it dropped but u cant deny it's IMPACT. (Biggie credited the influence to Ready to Die almost solely to Illmatic) I think its really the Impact within the culture not on the People (On lookers)


    illmatic is very popular though. Things that are not popular do not really make an impact (beans anyone?). That does not mean they are not talented though.

    I just feel that impact should not be the main thing we look at. Ability to put on a show and move a crowd, write good songs, choose good beats, & speak on good topics is also important.

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  • Sweet Dick WillieSweet Dick Willie Posts: 273
    If you can make an impact upon entering the game, have a long career, and hold your own with the elites of your time then when it's all said and done you should qualify for GOAT status(imo).
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  • Gen. StasiaGen. Stasia Posts: 1,670
    SnowBunnySmanger wrote: »
    Gen. Stasia wrote: »
    SnowBunnySmanger wrote: »
    Gen. Stasia wrote: »
    Its a balance of both. But i think its mainly based on IMPACT that Determine whether SOMEONE is great or not. How did he/she change the game and is his/her influence still prevalent to this day.

    Beans is a TOP TEIR Spitter and he can make an album but his impact isnt that strong.



    Impact is largely determined by popularity. If one were really to consider that the most integral factor of GOAT status then it would become nothing more than a popularity contest. Judging artists according to such thinking would mean that someone like Soulja Boy is closer to GOAT status than Beans.

    I don't think one could really argue that that is true though. Maybe someone can prove me wrong?

    Not necessarily. Illmatic wasnt a Multiplat album when it dropped but u cant deny it's IMPACT. (Biggie credited the influence to Ready to Die almost solely to Illmatic) I think its really the Impact within the culture not on the People (On lookers)


    illmatic is very popular though. Things that are not popular do not really make an impact (beans anyone?). That does not mean they are not talented though.

    I just feel that impact should not be the main thing we look at. Ability to put on a show and move a crowd, write good songs, choose good beats, & speak on good topics is also important.

    But all of that is subjective. Impact on a Culture is more objective. Whether u like or agree with Flavor Flav antics u cant deny the Impact Public Enemy had on Hip Hop Culture. I didnt say ONLY but Impact is the difference between the regular and the GOATS. Cant name one person called a GOAT with ZERO Impact.
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  • Makaveli JokerMakaveli Joker Posts: 15,504
    Have an impact in hip hop that Nas, BIG, Pac, Rakim, and Jay had
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  • ROZAYTABERNACLEROZAYTABERNACLE Posts: 12,035
    Nah, fuck impact. that should be the last thing you consider when talking about classics and goats.
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  • $tayRichROLLIN$tayRichROLLIN Posts: 403
    Damn good thread..

    I think skills, longevity and timeless material. And beans is top 15-20. He's just not radio friendly by myself
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  • High RevolutionaryHigh Revolutionary Posts: 2,870
    Versatility.
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  • SnowBunnySmangerSnowBunnySmanger Posts: 277
    Gen. Stasia wrote: »
    SnowBunnySmanger wrote: »
    Gen. Stasia wrote: »
    SnowBunnySmanger wrote: »
    Gen. Stasia wrote: »
    Its a balance of both. But i think its mainly based on IMPACT that Determine whether SOMEONE is great or not. How did he/she change the game and is his/her influence still prevalent to this day.

    Beans is a TOP TEIR Spitter and he can make an album but his impact isnt that strong.



    Impact is largely determined by popularity. If one were really to consider that the most integral factor of GOAT status then it would become nothing more than a popularity contest. Judging artists according to such thinking would mean that someone like Soulja Boy is closer to GOAT status than Beans.

    I don't think one could really argue that that is true though. Maybe someone can prove me wrong?

    Not necessarily. Illmatic wasnt a Multiplat album when it dropped but u cant deny it's IMPACT. (Biggie credited the influence to Ready to Die almost solely to Illmatic) I think its really the Impact within the culture not on the People (On lookers)


    illmatic is very popular though. Things that are not popular do not really make an impact (beans anyone?). That does not mean they are not talented though.

    I just feel that impact should not be the main thing we look at. Ability to put on a show and move a crowd, write good songs, choose good beats, & speak on good topics is also important.

    But all of that is subjective. Impact on a Culture is more objective. Whether u like or agree with Flavor Flav antics u cant deny the Impact Public Enemy had on Hip Hop Culture. I didnt say ONLY but Impact is the difference between the regular and the GOATS. Cant name one person called a GOAT with ZERO Impact.

    Without a doubt impact is relevant. Especially when talking about GOAT status. I doubt the Beatles or Tupac would be revered as highly as they are if they were not immensely popular and influential.
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  • SnowBunnySmangerSnowBunnySmanger Posts: 277
    Anyone feel technical skill should be considered when discussing GOATS?

    Could a GOAT have low technical skill, or do you prefer artists to be able to flex some literary muscle?
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  • MC The RapperMC The Rapper Posts: 8,143
    A strong opinion
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  • $tayRichROLLIN$tayRichROLLIN Posts: 403
    ^^^^^ true statement homie.....
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  • YrocYroc Posts: 145
    as jay would say:

    Ya niggas can't be serious right now/
    I'm the all time heavy weight champion of flow-ers/
    I'm leading the league in at least six statistical categories right now/
    Best flow, Most consistent, Realest stories/
    Most charisma, I set the most trends/
    And my interviews are hotter...

    as far as record sales:

    ...so if your message ain't shit, fuck the records you sold/
    cuz if you go platinum, it's got nothing to do with luck/
    it just means that a million people are stupid as fuck... ~ immortal technique



    so obviously it should be a culmination of things with each varying in weight/importance, you know, like a credit score.

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  • ROZAYTABERNACLEROZAYTABERNACLE Posts: 12,035
    SnowBunnySmanger wrote: »
    Anyone feel technical skill should be considered when discussing GOATS?

    Could a GOAT have low technical skill, or do you prefer artists to be able to flex some literary muscle?

    Depends on if you're talking about a specific goat, like goat lyricist, goat flow, etc. but the music is more important than the skills. as long as the music isn't throwaway trash like soulja boi or something, it has to actually be able to sound good 10+ years later.
    SupremeXXV
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  • freshb651freshb651 Posts: 5,517
    Sweet Dick Willie wrote: »
    If you can make an impact upon entering the game, have a long career, and hold your own with the elites of your time then when it's all said and done you should qualify for GOAT status(imo).

    so is Ludacris one of the GOATS ?
    SupremeXXV
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  • JamaicaJamaica Posts: 20,086
    Arguably the best in the game for a few years. At least one certified classic, have some sort of impact/influence, sales (whether y'all like it or not) it don't mean the rapper had to sell the most records. But at least have a few plat albums.
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  • JamaicaJamaica Posts: 20,086
    Oh yeah longevity too. Exceptions for cats like tupac and biggie.
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  • usmarin3usmarin3 Posts: 32,170
    Longevity/relevance
    Catalog (classic albums and songs)
    Impact/Influence (who's style did you help create, sales,what trends did you start)
    Skillet (lyrics, flows, deliveries,etc)
    Stage presence
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  • SupremeXXVSupremeXXV Posts: 579

    The_Maryvale_Joker wrote: »
    Have an impact in hip hop that Nas, BIG, Pac, Rakim, and Jay had

    True and I feel that, but Beans was one of the most important pieces to the Roc-A-Fella camp back in the day...And I don't know if I'm alone in this but "The Truth" was a classic album...Didn't do crazy platinum selling numbers, but it went gold and I'm pretty sure if you throw that shit on today (12 years later) it still bangs.

    I saw a comment that said Ludacris should be considered one of the GOATS too and that's real shit...Wonder why dude get's slept on.

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  • Sweet Dick WillieSweet Dick Willie Posts: 273
    freshb651 wrote: »
    Sweet Dick Willie wrote: »
    If you can make an impact upon entering the game, have a long career, and hold your own with the elites of your time then when it's all said and done you should qualify for GOAT status(imo).

    so is Ludacris one of the GOATS ?

    Luda didn't make an impact imo, he came in the game kind of under the radar, plus I should have said a long consistent career Luda started to fall off after his 3rd lp.

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  • SnowBunnySmangerSnowBunnySmanger Posts: 277
    Anyone value rappers who produce more highly than rappers who just rap?
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