if rappers didn't rap about THEIR money and THEIR success, would we still listen?

bignorm

The best albums dont rap about these things. Except Jay's shit.

antarticp

Gen. Stasia wrote: »

@antarticp its basically like "the loudest dude in the room is usually the brokest"

ahhhhhhhh light bulb lol ... thanks for coming back and clearing that up i like that one about to make that quote my facebook status LOL

antarticp

bignorm wrote: »

The best albums dont rap about these things. Except Jay's shit.

ie ... DMX - It's Dark and Hell Is Hot

antarticp

ie .... Nas - Illmatic

antarticp

ie Notorious B.I.G - Ready 2 Die .... the commericial tracks were actually remixes the album cuts were grimey minus juicy .... which lyrically is hood with a glossy sound

SlickestR

antarticp wrote: »

SlickestR wrote: »

it's apart of their life, so it's bound to be a topic or come up in a verse or two...

its just like when an artist first come into the game, their going to talk about their struggles...

once you get fame, it's hard not to talk about how much you make, or how materialistic you are.

but if an artist brags about it all the time, that shit is fucking WOAT

and if u ask me that how it should go ... show that progression ... but not progressing in my opinion your holding up the lane for others to progress as well and to update the situation ... let the cycle flow ....

everything is progression... Why would a rapper be rapping about being in the hood on some gangsta shit in the street

when this nigga owning a multi-million home, having top accountants and lawyers, rolling in expensive foregin cars, able to travel around the world twice in year and having a successful career...

when you see his position and where's he's at in life, it doesn't have that same energy and passion like he did when he was at that stage in his life...

a rapper that has the fame, the glory and money should be able to rap about having those things, but also rap about his life as far as the struggles concerning the fame, the glory and money, how it is affecting him and his family and the peeps around him. He should be able to rap about what it means to him and how he's affecting other niggas and vice versa.

like Pac said.. you have to be able to rap about the good side of fame and fortune and you have to rap about the bad side about it... because then you're just glorifying the good side like if everything is fine.. because we all know there's the dark side about it that shouldn't be left out.

antarticp

SlickestR wrote: »

antarticp wrote: »

SlickestR wrote: »

it's apart of their life, so it's bound to be a topic or come up in a verse or two...

its just like when an artist first come into the game, their going to talk about their struggles...

once you get fame, it's hard not to talk about how much you make, or how materialistic you are.

but if an artist brags about it all the time, that shit is fucking WOAT

and if u ask me that how it should go ... show that progression ... but not progressing in my opinion your holding up the lane for others to progress as well and to update the situation ... let the cycle flow ....

everything is progression... Why would a rapper be rapping about being in the hood on some gangsta shit in the street

when this nigga owning a multi-million home, having top accountants and lawyers, rolling in expensive foregin cars, able to travel around the world twice in year and having a successful career...

when you see his position and where's he's at in life, it doesn't have that same energy and passion like he did when he was at that stage in his life...

a rapper that has the fame, the glory and money should be able to rap about having those things, but also rap about his life as far as the struggles concerning the fame, the glory and money, how it is affecting him and his family and the peeps around him. He should be able to rap about what it means to him and how he's affecting other niggas and vice versa.

like Pac said.. you have to be able to rap about the good side of fame and fortune and you have to rap about the bad side about it... because then you're just glorifying the good side like if everything is fine.. because we all know there's the dark side about it that shouldn't be left out.

def cosign but you know it rarely happens especially in the east coast .... i think thats why when u think east coast most dudes still think Jayz and Nas ... 2 live Crew still aint running the south lol ... shit neither is Facemobb, Outkast etc.... they let the progression happen ....

JDSTAYWITIT.

the "underdog" triumphant rise ...to something from nothing ..is the thing people miss when talking about "success rap" that story is what draws people in ...in america money is motive its a societal condition..has been ..always will be ..so should it really be to anyones surprise that when individuals get a taste of success/money ...you hear that joyous conviction all in their flow?? i mean cmon its only understandable ...but to answer TS question ... yeah people still listen ... Common still selling records right?

Gen. Stasia

@AntarticP I have to disagree with that. Jay and Nas isn't only just seen as the Goats in NY they are Hip Hop Goats. NY was behind Dipset, G Unit and Rocafella. Difference with NY is u have to have a Movement Behind u or u have to be better or just as good as the ones u came before.

And @SlickestR everything isn't Progression Rappers can Regress or become Stagnat I.e. Shyne (regression) Jada (Stagnat)

SlickestR

antarticp wrote: »

SlickestR wrote: »

antarticp wrote: »

SlickestR wrote: »

it's apart of their life, so it's bound to be a topic or come up in a verse or two...

its just like when an artist first come into the game, their going to talk about their struggles...

once you get fame, it's hard not to talk about how much you make, or how materialistic you are.

but if an artist brags about it all the time, that shit is fucking WOAT

and if u ask me that how it should go ... show that progression ... but not progressing in my opinion your holding up the lane for others to progress as well and to update the situation ... let the cycle flow ....

everything is progression... Why would a rapper be rapping about being in the hood on some gangsta shit in the street

when this nigga owning a multi-million home, having top accountants and lawyers, rolling in expensive foregin cars, able to travel around the world twice in year and having a successful career...

when you see his position and where's he's at in life, it doesn't have that same energy and passion like he did when he was at that stage in his life...

a rapper that has the fame, the glory and money should be able to rap about having those things, but also rap about his life as far as the struggles concerning the fame, the glory and money, how it is affecting him and his family and the peeps around him. He should be able to rap about what it means to him and how he's affecting other niggas and vice versa.

like Pac said.. you have to be able to rap about the good side of fame and fortune and you have to rap about the bad side about it... because then you're just glorifying the good side like if everything is fine.. because we all know there's the dark side about it that shouldn't be left out.

def cosign but you know it rarely happens especially in the east coast .... i think thats why when u think east coast most dudes still think Jayz and Nas ... 2 live Crew still aint running the south lol ... shit neither is Facemobb, Outkast etc.... they let the progression happen ....

the thing is Nas and Jay-Z came out with being street-based rappers... so when you have street rappers, they often have a lot of struggles concerning poverty, jealously, hate, envy and being scared for their safety and their peeps safety, issue with money, territory and etc.

so, they have a whole range of topics that they can talk about based of those things, that can be broken into conscience rap, gangsta rap, story telling and etc.

which can be very relatable to a lot of their audiences

The thing about 2 Live Crew, Outkast and others is that... 2 Live Crew came out rapping about one topic, that's what they were known for, the nasty, porno-type raps that caught people's attention because their were raunchy, aggressive and very explict content.

people can only listen to an artist/group of rappers that raps about the same thing for so long, so after a while they lose their mystique and they don't gain the attention of the people anymore.

as far as Outkast, they can still be relevant because their creativity, but because of Andre's hatius from rap, their kinda fading away.

SlickestR

Gen. Stasia wrote: »

@AntarticP I have to disagree with that. Jay and Nas isn't only just seen as the Goats in NY they are Hip Hop Goats. NY was behind Dipset, G Unit and Rocafella. Difference with NY is u have to have a Movement Behind u or u have to be better or just as good as the ones u came before.

And @SlickestR everything isn't Progression Rappers can Regress or become Stagnat I.e. Shyne (regression) Jada (Stagnat)

yeah because their didn't use regression in a way to increase their progression.

Rahlow

I'm from another generation where there was the most variety of topics and formats that hit the mainstream. Its sad that all you young cats had available to listen to was a bunch of materialistic bullshit with a limited few other options.

antarticp

Gen. Stasia wrote: »

@AntarticP I have to disagree with that. Jay and Nas isn't only just seen as the Goats in NY they are Hip Hop Goats. NY was behind Dipset, G Unit and Rocafella. Difference with NY is u have to have a Movement Behind u or u have to be better or just as good as the ones u came before.

And @SlickestR everything isn't Progression Rappers can Regress or become Stagnat I.e. Shyne (regression) Jada (Stagnat)

true true i can dig that ...... but when u dig deeper ... Jay stomped on the Dipset success ... in 2012 Camron should be the man but its like hes a new artist all over again and hes back on his Koch shit, independent shit .... 50/Gunit had to go left aka west coast for that success and he took off so fast no one could had blocked fifs success ..... when fif was on his beanie sigel east coast shit he couldnt catch a break .....

deadprezadentz

these broke/lame niggaz will neva get tired of it...They live their lives vicariously thru rappers that are broke their self.
You buyin out the bar?...for what? Attention whore...

32DaysOfInfiniti

Of course we would, we did when it was born and throughout its adolescent & teen years, so why wouldnt we now that its all grown up?

CirocObama

deadprezadentz wrote: »

these broke/lame niggaz will neva get tired of it...They live their lives vicariously thru rappers that are broke their self.
You buyin out the bar?...for what? Attention whore...

Shit that's exactly what i said. That's something you niggas need to understand. Put it like this..watch the way people react when it gets announced that say Rick Ross (for example) scored a huge endorsement deal. Watch the way his fans act and the way his dislikers act..his fans will act like they get a piece of that pie or like they're the ones who just accomplished something while the dislikers will turn the shit into a giant argument about how broke he really is and how their favorite rapper makes more money than Ross.

I'm telling you once you niggas step outside hip-hop for a minute you'll notice how dumb and twisted alot of hip-hop fans really are. I'm not saying it doesn't happen in every genre but just stuff in general not just this.

UPTOWN CONNEXX

Axel Realest wrote:

i was watching the thread about baby being interviewed about the lil wayne deal, and the thread about 50 cent talking about his new album.

It got me thinking, would people still listen to hip hop if the artists didn't rap about how much money they were earning or how great THEY themselves, the artists claim to be. In the fifty interview, fifty said that he cannot compare album sales no more because he has ALREADY done that, thats OLD to HIM so he trying to come at a different tip, lets see how that turns out...

On the other hand, the Baby interview is about the supposed $150, 000,000 that Wayne was meant to have resigned for, and we all should know by now the formula to Wayne tracks, what he raps about, what he stands for, young MONEY cash MONEY.


So once again, my question is will we as 'fans' ever get tired of 'success' rap? if rappers didn't rap about THEIR money and THEIR success, would we still listen?


(anticipates the jokes..?)

well i dont speak for everyone, but us golden era cats listen to the opposite of success rap LOL

that was just one small facet of the 2nd golden era LOL

success rap ruined the game, because now no one takes rap serious. niggas talk like they have a billiob dollars on their first single. transparent as hell

Dharmic X

It's okay to brag a bit, but if you're doing it on every song you're no longer making music, you're just making a mockery to the music.

HailBlackMary

TB.Boy wrote: »

I would my favorite people to listen to arent bragging about money and success anyway. Now that i think about it maybe this is why i cringe when someone im rooting for goes mainstream cause i dont want to hear then brag alll the time. good thread @Axel

My thoughts exactly.

704Hustla

yea cause we all know the average person doesn't brag about the new shit they got..lol @ you hypocrits

Dharmic X

704Hustla wrote: »

yea cause we all know the average person doesn't brag about the new shit they got..lol @ you hypocrits

That's missing the point... Sure bragging is human nature, but bragging isn't ALL we do in life... At least, I would hope so.

Axel Realest

Dharmic X wrote: »

704Hustla wrote: »

yea cause we all know the average person doesn't brag about the new shit they got..lol @ you hypocrits

That's missing the point... Sure bragging is human nature, but bragging isn't ALL we do in life... At least, I would hope so.

I doubt thats all we do aswell, we aint that sad

real_hh_rep

I see no corelation between money-obsessed lyrics and sales. Hip-hop started as a quite humble genre and it succeded. PE, Slick Rick or Native Tongue albums received universal acclaim and recognition drove by differennt lyrical themes.

Say What

It all depends on how you define sucess. Dudes don't call teachers sucessful because they don't make enough