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Bring the 1 series to the US (at least the 5 door)

real nessreal ness Posts: 263
edited June 2011 in Let Me Ride
For people that want a BMW and what it brings (performance, rear wheel drive, prestige, etc) at an affordable price, especially in this economy. I already see a good number of the coupes/convertibles on the streets, so with the turbo inline-six and the non-turbo six it would sell a good number especially if it's cheaper than the coupes/convertibles like it usually is.

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  • konceptjoneskonceptjones Old School Playa Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2010
    http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/vehicles/2011/1/default.aspx


    I don't get what you're asking for... The 1-series already has a presence in the US market. While not the full line, we do still have some models. The problem is selling a "luxury" compact car in a market where "compact" still conjures images of Yugo's, Daewoo's, and other shit-mobiles.
    i'm not sure which entity leaves people more abused and lost; the Porn Industry or Bad Boy Records.
  • real nessreal ness Posts: 263
    edited July 2010
    I'm talkin the 5 door at least its in the thread title, and i said the coupe/convertible is already here in the post. It will sell simply because it's a BMW and people love BMW, especially if they're cheap(er) with about 300hp.

    And it's not a cheap brand tryin to be expensive (like the VW Phaeton) it's and expensive brand being cheap with the same build quality, so it'll sell. You or anybody else honestly compare a BMW to a Daewoo? wow.
  • konceptjoneskonceptjones Old School Playa Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2010
    real ness wrote: »
    I'm talkin the 5 door at least its in the thread title, and i said the coupe/convertible is already here in the post. It will sell simply because it's a BMW and people love BMW, especially if they're cheap(er) with about 300hp.

    And it's not a cheap brand tryin to be expensive (like the VW Phaeton) it's and expensive brand being cheap with the same build quality, so it'll sell. You or anybody else honestly compare a BMW to a Daewoo? wow.

    no, but as I already said, in America "compact" means "cheap shitmobile". Doesn't matter if it's a BMW, Mercedes, or whomever, compact=shitcar in the eyes of the American consumer. Luxury, fast, or whatever $30K+ for a compact car is far more than the average American is willing to pay for a compact, especially when Chevy has it's own "bat outta hell" compact for over ten thousand dollars less than a 135i (Chevy Cobalt SS).
    i'm not sure which entity leaves people more abused and lost; the Porn Industry or Bad Boy Records.
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    I actually like the 1series BMW... I personally wouldnt buy one, but My brother has A diesel one (the hatch version)... BMW invited Me and My old man and his bredren to A track day A month or so ago, and I drove the 135 Coupe M version (the estate) its got about 330 BHP lol I couldn't believe it, I think its twin turbo haha Most BM's are naturally aspirated, which gives them that lovely screaming tinny metal noise when you put your footdown, like the M3's make... But yeah, I was well impressed with it, they do about 0-62 in 5seconds, but £30,000 is stupid money for A 1series, although the car itself was great... Imagine your in A M3 and you get done by A 1series, you would Be pissed lmao They only place hatchbacks arnt popular is America cah your roads are so big, but in all other Countries they are big sellers...
    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

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  • real nessreal ness Posts: 263
    edited August 2010
    no, but as I already said, in America "compact" means "cheap shitmobile". Doesn't matter if it's a BMW, Mercedes, or whomever, compact=shitcar in the eyes of the American consumer. Luxury, fast, or whatever $30K+ for a compact car is far more than the average American is willing to pay for a compact, especially when Chevy has it's own "bat outta hell" compact for over ten thousand dollars less than a 135i (Chevy Cobalt SS).

    ok thats your opinion based on what you like that you tryin to speak for everybody else with. to the average consumer who dreams to one day own a BMW or a Benz they dont look at the 3 sedans and the C class as entry level cars to aspire to get into but view the 1 series & the A class as shitty cars, they're made by the same company with same build quality.......Therefore if a person can spend for a 3 series if they cant afford more they can put down on a 1 series too. look how many 1 series coupes and convertibles are all over the place, its the same series they dont view them as shitty cars the people who buy them.....hell look how many smart cars are around (a subdivision of mercedes) if they didnt have such poor crash standards more people would get em.

    dont confuse a person not liking a car visually or by brand with it being of shitty quality = not the same thing

    Chevy doesnt make the Cobalt SS anymore. And once again everybody dont use the same criteria for buying cars. There's lots of cars that are cheaper/faster/better looking/etc than others ones but people buy what they like and for people who like BMW's (and there's a good number) they would buy a 1 hatchback if that's all they could spring for.

    THE ACTUAL build quality of a 1 series hatchback and 1 series coupe/convertible and a 3, 5, 6, 7 series and a X1, 3, 5, 6 isnt any dramatically different
  • konceptjoneskonceptjones Old School Playa Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    real ness wrote: »
    ok thats your opinion based on what you like that you tryin to speak for everybody else with. to the average consumer who dreams to one day own a BMW or a Benz they dont look at the 3 sedans and the C class as entry level cars to aspire to get into but view the 1 series & the A class as shitty cars, they're made by the same company with same build quality.......Therefore if a person can spend for a 3 series if they cant afford more they can put down on a 1 series too. look how many 1 series coupes and convertibles are all over the place, its the same series they dont view them as shitty cars the people who buy them.....hell look how many smart cars are around (a subdivision of mercedes) if they didnt have such poor crash standards more people would get em.

    dont confuse a person not liking a car visually or by brand with it being of shitty quality = not the same thing

    Chevy doesnt make the Cobalt SS anymore. And once again everybody dont use the same criteria for buying cars. There's lots of cars that are cheaper/faster/better looking/etc than others ones but people buy what they like and for people who like BMW's (and there's a good number) they would buy a 1 hatchback if that's all they could spring for.

    THE ACTUAL build quality of a 1 series hatchback and 1 series coupe/convertible and a 3, 5, 6, 7 series and a X1, 3, 5, 6 isnt any dramatically different

    that's not an opinion I stated. Compact hatchbacks, in the USA, are the territory of cheap shitboxes. The US consumer sees a hatchback and thinks "cheap shitbox" with only ONE exception and that's Saab.

    Not one luxury brand has been able to successfully bring their compact hatchbacks to the US market because of this notion. Ford even tried to bring their very popular models from Europe and failed because, once again, the US consumer saw "luxury hatch" and scoffed at it.

    The Benz C230 hatch didn't sell like they wanted it to, the Audi coupe didn't do so well, BMW's 3-Series hatch sold like ass, and when Austin Rover hit the US market with the Sterling (a rebadged Rover 800), the hatch was the least liked version of that line. Peugeot couldn't move their sedans, let alone even contemplate bringing their hatches over here, and even Alfa Romeo had a tough time moving the luxury hatch Milano/Alfa 75 (and the 164, even with Chrysler backing them, was hard to move)

    Face it bruh, history, not opinion, does not favor the luxury hatch in America. At best, it'll be a niche car, like the Mini.
    i'm not sure which entity leaves people more abused and lost; the Porn Industry or Bad Boy Records.
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    the reasons hatches dont do well in america, is because you dont need them... you have great big open roads, and your fuel is mad cheap... in europe we have small ass tight roads and the fuel (at least in uk) is extorsnate...

    most hatchbacks over here are sold to younguns or drivers who have just passed their tests...
    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

    aUPgli.gif
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    hatchbacks i really like, they are all standard/stock:

    Golf MK4 R32
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    Audi S3
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    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

    aUPgli.gif
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    Ford Focus RS

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    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

    aUPgli.gif
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    Renualt V6 (dont see many)
    renault12.jpg
    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

    aUPgli.gif
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    More pics of the beauty

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    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

    aUPgli.gif
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    Z3 Roadster Coupe (love this car)

    mr_mcoupe.jpg
    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

    aUPgli.gif
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    Peugeot 106 GTI

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    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

    aUPgli.gif
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
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    Honda Civic Type R

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    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

    aUPgli.gif
  • konceptjoneskonceptjones Old School Playa Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    the last peugeot sold in the US was the 405 and it flopped miserably. Before that, it was the 505. There was supposed to be an American variant of the 309 but that never happened.
    i'm not sure which entity leaves people more abused and lost; the Porn Industry or Bad Boy Records.
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    Im not really A fan of Peugeots, I only like the 205GTI's and 106GTI/Quicksilvers...
    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

    aUPgli.gif
  • real nessreal ness Posts: 263
    edited August 2010
    that's not an opinion I stated. Compact hatchbacks, in the USA, are the territory of cheap shitboxes. The US consumer sees a hatchback and thinks "cheap shitbox" with only ONE exception and that's Saab.

    Not one luxury brand has been able to successfully bring their compact hatchbacks to the US market because of this notion. Ford even tried to bring their very popular models from Europe and failed because, once again, the US consumer saw "luxury hatch" and scoffed at it.

    The Benz C230 hatch didn't sell like they wanted it to, the Audi coupe didn't do so well, BMW's 3-Series hatch sold like ass, and when Austin Rover hit the US market with the Sterling (a rebadged Rover 800), the hatch was the least liked version of that line. Peugeot couldn't move their sedans, let alone even contemplate bringing their hatches over here, and even Alfa Romeo had a tough time moving the luxury hatch Milano/Alfa 75 (and the 164, even with Chrysler backing them, was hard to move)

    Face it bruh, history, not opinion, does not favor the luxury hatch in America. At best, it'll be a niche car, like the Mini.

    First off the title said "bring the 1 series hatchback here" not "the 1 series will sell like a ford f150 with the rihanna wet pussy package". lots of low sale volume cars sell in this category like the Mini, the Beetle, the Smart, the Golf/Rabbits, the Yaris, etc.....and now adding to the list the Ford Fiesta and the mazda 2 (i saw my first one today). you may have to eat those words about Ford failing bringing their popular brands over here and failing, as you're not keeping up with auto news. and you can thank expensive gas prices for that. clearly more than one exception already. don't be surprised if the 1 series hatchback isn't far behind.

    Ford isn't a luxury brand in this country at least.

    the C hatch and 3 hatches were weird looking because they took long vehicle platforms and chopped them off no big surprise they didnt sell much. The 1 series has it's own platform more or less and didn't nothin drastic to it to make it. The a3 still sells, and now with a diesel what you talkin bout.

    Peugeots had questionable reliability from what I remember, as did Fiats, those were in fact shitty cars because they were shitty cars. again not the same as a BMW built vehicle. I dont remember alfa romeos or rovers.
  • konceptjoneskonceptjones Old School Playa Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2010
    real ness wrote: »
    First off the title said "bring the 1 series hatchback here" not "the 1 series will sell like a ford f150 with the rihanna wet pussy package". lots of low sale volume cars sell in this category like the Mini, the Beetle, the Smart, the Golf/Rabbits, the Yaris, etc.....and now adding to the list the Ford Fiesta and the mazda 2 (i saw my first one today). you may have to eat those words about Ford failing bringing their popular brands over here and failing, as you're not keeping up with auto news. and you can thank expensive gas prices for that. clearly more than one exception already. don't be surprised if the 1 series hatchback isn't far behind.

    Ford isn't a luxury brand in this country at least.

    the C hatch and 3 hatches were weird looking because they took long vehicle platforms and chopped them off no big surprise they didnt sell much. The 1 series has it's own platform more or less and didn't nothin drastic to it to make it. The a3 still sells, and now with a diesel what you talkin bout.

    Peugeots had questionable reliability from what I remember, as did Fiats, those were in fact shitty cars because they were shitty cars. again not the same as a BMW built vehicle. I dont remember alfa romeos or rovers.

    Take the time to digest what I've said, then take another look at the 1-series hatch. It's not much different looking from any other hatchback already sold here in the US. Honda, Ford, and Mazda pretty much have that market sewn up, so what would be the point in bringing what would be considered an overpriced econobox here to the States? BMW is playing this market precisely the way it should. There's a market here for the 1 series coupe and convertible, the rest would not do well at all here and they know that.

    The Audi A3 is being sold here, but it's not SELLING. There's a difference. Offering a car doesn't mean it's generating much in the way of sales. The A3, at $27K, is simply not a good car for this market. Most people who would buy an Audi know that they share components, if not entire chassis and drivetrains, with Volkswagen offerings. The person that would consider an A3, would also look first at a Volkswagen GTI and likely buy one.
    i'm not sure which entity leaves people more abused and lost; the Porn Industry or Bad Boy Records.
  • love yallove yal Posts: 1,327
    edited May 2011
    Renualt V6 (dont see many)
    renault12.jpg

    Nice Renualt v6
  • real nessreal ness Posts: 263
    edited May 2011
    Now a Fiat is already on the streets
  • love yallove yal Posts: 1,327
    edited June 2011
    Z3 Roadster Coupe (love this car)

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    Nice Z3 Roadster Coupe....what year is the bmw?
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2011
    love yal wrote: »
    Nice Z3 Roadster Coupe....what year is the bmw?


    they where around from 99-02... i know someone who had one... they are well nice...
    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

    aUPgli.gif
  • love yallove yal Posts: 1,327
    edited June 2011
    they where around from 99-02... i know someone who had one... they are well nice...

    Have you ever drivin it?......how much do you think the Z3 Roadster Coupe is worth?
  • water ur seedswater ur seeds Posts: 17,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2011
    love yal wrote: »
    Have you ever drivin it?......how much do you think the Z3 Roadster Coupe is worth?

    no ive never driven that model, not sure how much, have a look on 'pistonheads.com' great website if your looking for a motor
    'The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero uses his fear, projects it onto his opponent, while the coward runs. It's the same thing, fear, but it's what you do with it that matters.'

    aUPgli.gif
  • love yallove yal Posts: 1,327
    edited June 2011
    Renualt V6 (dont see many)
    renault12.jpg

    Nice Renualt V6 pic!
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