Obama after 3 years...

janklow

FuriousOne wrote: »

What the fuck has Lupe fiasco done?

the most accurate statement in this thread

FuriousOne wrote: »

Even Jesse Jackson and his cronies were against Obama and down with Clinton whom played the race card even before the Republicans, and tried to tie up the election with litigation.

the thing with Jesse Jackson is that it helps to remember he is mainly in the business of improving the life of Jesse Jackson. once you come to terms with that, he's not disappointing or craven, he's operating as expected

kingblaze84

janklow wrote: »

FuriousOne wrote: »

What the fuck has Lupe fiasco done?

the most accurate statement in this thread

FuriousOne wrote: »

Even Jesse Jackson and his cronies were against Obama and down with Clinton whom played the race card even before the Republicans, and tried to tie up the election with litigation.

the thing with Jesse Jackson is that it helps to remember he is mainly in the business of improving the life of Jesse Jackson. once you come to terms with that, he's not disappointing or craven, he's operating as expected

What you say about Jesse Jackson can be said about every politician, including Obama......

kingblaze84

Youth disappointed in Obama.........I guess I fit in this category, and this will be one of the last posts I make in this thread since no one here has even come close to convincing me to vote for Obama again. All I'm basically hearing is Romney is worse, which I've already known, but that's not an inspiring reason for me to vote for a man who represents little of my interests now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/01/how-loss-of-enthusiasm-could-cost-obama-election_n_1620253.html

Obama took the White House by persuading large numbers of young people to vote. His reelection now appears to hinge on a repeat from this historically fickle crowd. Despite the relative surge, youth turnout was still just 49 percent in 2008, as compared to 66 percent among those 30 and over, according to CIRCLE's analysis. In both 1996 and 2000, only about 36 percent of Americans under-30 bothered to vote. Signs now point to a return to the mean.

"Almost every indication that I personally have looked at since 2009 indicates that young people are less interested in voting now than they were in 2008," says Harvard's Della Volpe. "There's significant pessimism, mistrust and lack of belief that system is working."

Yet in the estimation of Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen, one of the founders of the youth voter registration campaign, Rock The Vote, and a confidant of Hillary Clinton, the Obama campaign should be concerned about turnout. Four years ago, a trio of factors worked in Obama's favor. "You had a next generation leader who was younger, and who appealed to younger people," Rosen says. "You had a kind of foreboding sense about the state of the world that they were entering post-college. You also had the threat of war."

The foreboding is still here, yet it may be working against Obama this time, given that he has been in charge for three-plus years – a point emphasized with vigor by Romney. In a recent survey of 18- to 29-year-olds conducted by Harvard's Institute of Politics, 58 percent said they disapproved of how Obama has handled the economy. The Iraq war is officially at an end, but the fight in Afghanistan now belongs to Obama, an issue on which the Harvard survey found a 48 percent level of disapproval.

FuriousOne

kingblaze84 wrote: »

Youth disappointed in Obama.........I guess I fit in this category, and this will be one of the last posts I make in this thread since no one here has even come close to convincing me to vote for Obama again. All I'm basically hearing is Romney is worse, which I've already known, but that's not an inspiring reason for me to vote for a man who represents little of my interests now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/01/how-loss-of-enthusiasm-could-cost-obama-election_n_1620253.html

Obama took the White House by persuading large numbers of young people to vote. His reelection now appears to hinge on a repeat from this historically fickle crowd. Despite the relative surge, youth turnout was still just 49 percent in 2008, as compared to 66 percent among those 30 and over, according to CIRCLE's analysis. In both 1996 and 2000, only about 36 percent of Americans under-30 bothered to vote. Signs now point to a return to the mean.

"Almost every indication that I personally have looked at since 2009 indicates that young people are less interested in voting now than they were in 2008," says Harvard's Della Volpe. "There's significant pessimism, mistrust and lack of belief that system is working."

Yet in the estimation of Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen, one of the founders of the youth voter registration campaign, Rock The Vote, and a confidant of Hillary Clinton, the Obama campaign should be concerned about turnout. Four years ago, a trio of factors worked in Obama's favor. "You had a next generation leader who was younger, and who appealed to younger people," Rosen says. "You had a kind of foreboding sense about the state of the world that they were entering post-college. You also had the threat of war."

The foreboding is still here, yet it may be working against Obama this time, given that he has been in charge for three-plus years – a point emphasized with vigor by Romney. In a recent survey of 18- to 29-year-olds conducted by Harvard's Institute of Politics, 58 percent said they disapproved of how Obama has handled the economy. The Iraq war is officially at an end, but the fight in Afghanistan now belongs to Obama, an issue on which the Harvard survey found a 48 percent level of disapproval.

Of course that's all you heard. You've already convinced yourself by any means necessary. You have absolutely no goal other then to convince us that Obama is bad. Be aware that you will have plenty to be disgruntled about based on your decisions today, but you'll be the ones to blame for your inaction. You're the same disgruntled youth that lost us the 2010 elections, and the same do nothing disgruntled youth that wasted the momentum that OWS gave you, a movement i supported.

nujerz84

kingblaze84 wrote: »

Youth disappointed in Obama.........I guess I fit in this category, and this will be one of the last posts I make in this thread since no one here has even come close to convincing me to vote for Obama again. All I'm basically hearing is Romney is worse, which I've already known, but that's not an inspiring reason for me to vote for a man who represents little of my interests now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/01/how-loss-of-enthusiasm-could-cost-obama-election_n_1620253.html

Obama took the White House by persuading large numbers of young people to vote. His reelection now appears to hinge on a repeat from this historically fickle crowd. Despite the relative surge, youth turnout was still just 49 percent in 2008, as compared to 66 percent among those 30 and over, according to CIRCLE's analysis. In both 1996 and 2000, only about 36 percent of Americans under-30 bothered to vote. Signs now point to a return to the mean.

"Almost every indication that I personally have looked at since 2009 indicates that young people are less interested in voting now than they were in 2008," says Harvard's Della Volpe. "There's significant pessimism, mistrust and lack of belief that system is working."

Yet in the estimation of Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen, one of the founders of the youth voter registration campaign, Rock The Vote, and a confidant of Hillary Clinton, the Obama campaign should be concerned about turnout. Four years ago, a trio of factors worked in Obama's favor. "You had a next generation leader who was younger, and who appealed to younger people," Rosen says. "You had a kind of foreboding sense about the state of the world that they were entering post-college. You also had the threat of war."

The foreboding is still here, yet it may be working against Obama this time, given that he has been in charge for three-plus years – a point emphasized with vigor by Romney. In a recent survey of 18- to 29-year-olds conducted by Harvard's Institute of Politics, 58 percent said they disapproved of how Obama has handled the economy. The Iraq war is officially at an end, but the fight in Afghanistan now belongs to Obama, an issue on which the Harvard survey found a 48 percent level of disapproval.

Again did you even pay attention to Obama campaign during 2008 with regards to his war on terror strategy?? You keep bringing up Afghanistan makes me question if u even followed what the man has said... From the jump Obama was against the war in Iraq and promised to the end that war (which he has) felt the main focus should be Al Queda and that the forces should be in Afghanistan (which he has done)...

He never was a supporter of making marijuana legal and for the most part was against same sex marriages until up to this year lol...

Leads me to believe you never paid attention to what he was saying.

janklow

kingblaze84 wrote: »

What you say about Jesse Jackson can be said about every politician, including Obama......

they all, of course, have selfish personal considerations; Jackson, however, is a little more egregious because of what he purports to be/represent. and, frankly, probably more selfish than most. i have a pile of issues with Obama, but i am at least willing to grant him good intentions

FuriousOne wrote: »

Of course that's all you heard. You've already convinced yourself by any means necessary. You have absolutely no goal other then to convince us that Obama is bad. Be aware that you will have plenty to be disgruntled about based on your decisions today, but you'll be the ones to blame for your inaction. You're the same disgruntled youth that lost us the 2010 elections, and the same do nothing disgruntled youth that wasted the momentum that OWS gave you, a movement i supported.

with all due respect to kingblaze84, i have said it before, and i'll say it again: he'll be voting for Obama in November because he'll ultimately switch around to a "lesser of two evils" argument

kingblaze84

nujerz84 wrote: »

kingblaze84 wrote: »

Youth disappointed in Obama.........I guess I fit in this category, and this will be one of the last posts I make in this thread since no one here has even come close to convincing me to vote for Obama again. All I'm basically hearing is Romney is worse, which I've already known, but that's not an inspiring reason for me to vote for a man who represents little of my interests now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/01/how-loss-of-enthusiasm-could-cost-obama-election_n_1620253.html

Obama took the White House by persuading large numbers of young people to vote. His reelection now appears to hinge on a repeat from this historically fickle crowd. Despite the relative surge, youth turnout was still just 49 percent in 2008, as compared to 66 percent among those 30 and over, according to CIRCLE's analysis. In both 1996 and 2000, only about 36 percent of Americans under-30 bothered to vote. Signs now point to a return to the mean.

"Almost every indication that I personally have looked at since 2009 indicates that young people are less interested in voting now than they were in 2008," says Harvard's Della Volpe. "There's significant pessimism, mistrust and lack of belief that system is working."

Yet in the estimation of Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen, one of the founders of the youth voter registration campaign, Rock The Vote, and a confidant of Hillary Clinton, the Obama campaign should be concerned about turnout. Four years ago, a trio of factors worked in Obama's favor. "You had a next generation leader who was younger, and who appealed to younger people," Rosen says. "You had a kind of foreboding sense about the state of the world that they were entering post-college. You also had the threat of war."

The foreboding is still here, yet it may be working against Obama this time, given that he has been in charge for three-plus years – a point emphasized with vigor by Romney. In a recent survey of 18- to 29-year-olds conducted by Harvard's Institute of Politics, 58 percent said they disapproved of how Obama has handled the economy. The Iraq war is officially at an end, but the fight in Afghanistan now belongs to Obama, an issue on which the Harvard survey found a 48 percent level of disapproval.

Again did you even pay attention to Obama campaign during 2008 with regards to his war on terror strategy?? You keep bringing up Afghanistan makes me question if u even followed what the man has said... From the jump Obama was against the war in Iraq and promised to the end that war (which he has) felt the main focus should be Al Queda and that the forces should be in Afghanistan (which he has done)...

He never was a supporter of making marijuana legal and for the most part was against same sex marriages until up to this year lol...

Leads me to believe you never paid attention to what he was saying.

Even if what you said is all true, I want my interests represented....an end to the war in Afghanistan and the legalization of medical marijuana, and hopefully, marijuana altogether. If Obama isn't willing to help do these things or at least fight to bring about these things, I have no reason to vote for Obama. You wana vote for him? Cool? I won't, I'm voting 3rd party.

earth two superman

why wouldnt you vote for someone that at least has a chance of doing those things AND has a chance of getting in the white house? third party candidates are a LONG way off from ever winning an election. the only time they ever win state elections are when extremists run. and neither romney nor obama are extremists

kingblaze84

janklow wrote: »

kingblaze84 wrote: »

What you say about Jesse Jackson can be said about every politician, including Obama......

they all, of course, have selfish personal considerations; Jackson, however, is a little more egregious because of what he purports to be/represent. and, frankly, probably more selfish than most. i have a pile of issues with Obama, but i am at least willing to grant him good intentions

FuriousOne wrote: »

Of course that's all you heard. You've already convinced yourself by any means necessary. You have absolutely no goal other then to convince us that Obama is bad. Be aware that you will have plenty to be disgruntled about based on your decisions today, but you'll be the ones to blame for your inaction. You're the same disgruntled youth that lost us the 2010 elections, and the same do nothing disgruntled youth that wasted the momentum that OWS gave you, a movement i supported.

with all due respect to kingblaze84, i have said it before, and i'll say it again: he'll be voting for Obama in November because he'll ultimately switch around to a "lesser of two evils" argument

Well I still have tons of respect for Jesse Jackson for helping the poor and fighting for the rights of the disadvantaged. Is he a perfect man, no, but like AL Sharpton, he's a dependable figure when it comes to civil rights, and that's the reason Trayvon Martin's family and tons of others consistently ask Al Sharpton and Jesse to help them out, and they usually do. I know people personally who have been helped by these great individuals.

As far as Obama, he has done good things himself, but his bloodthirsty, warmongering nature and his stubborn refusal to help change the rules for medical marijuana has left me cold, like many other people nationwide. You have my absolute word Obama won't have my vote in November 2012. And with that being said, I won't post in this thread any longer, since I haven't heard anything convincing enough for me.

No one here has convinced me the war in Afghanistan is still worth fighting. No one here has convinced me the rules on medical marijuana should stay oppressive with a president unwilling to do anything to help change this. No one here has convinced me the Bush tax cuts should have been extended, despite it exploding the deficit. Since no one here has convinced me, I'm officially done with this thread. My days of voting for the lesser of two evils are forever over and I mean that. Okay my titangraph is over lol

FuriousOne

I thought Kingblaze84 was done already and wasn't coming back because nobody has showed him the light. Seems more like you're trying to convince us or yourself. Lol.

FuriousOne

Nearly 65,000 Democratic supporters have contributed an average of $35 since the high court ruled on Thursday that President Barack Obama's signature health care law was constitutional. Grassroots donors gave more money on Saturday than any other day in history, DCCC chairman Steve Israel said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/03/house-democrats-fundraising-health-care_n_1644974.html

It seems not everybody is disillusioned and disgruntled.

janklow

kingblaze84 wrote: »

Well I still have tons of respect for Jesse Jackson for helping the poor and fighting for the rights of the disadvantaged. Is he a perfect man, no, but like AL Sharpton, he's a dependable figure when it comes to civil rights-

i agree; he's quite dependable at showing up and seeing how he can personally profit from something

kingblaze84 wrote: »

-and that's the reason Trayvon Martin's family and tons of others consistently ask Al Sharpton and Jesse to help them out, and they usually do.

it seems to me like Trayon Martin's family has the kind of media attention that means there isn't really anything Jesse Jackson can do to help THEM out... although he'll certainly help himself out.

kingblaze84 wrote: »

I know people personally who have been helped by these great individuals.

as stated, of course, that's a completely meaningless argument. watch: i know people personally who have been ignored and/or ripped off by Jesse/Al/whoever.

kingblaze84 wrote: »

You have my absolute word Obama won't have my vote in November 2012.

how can we verify this

kingblaze84 wrote: »

No one here has convinced me the war in Afghanistan is still worth fighting. No one here has convinced me the rules on medical marijuana should stay oppressive with a president unwilling to do anything to help change this. No one here has convinced me the Bush tax cuts should have been extended, despite it exploding the deficit.

without even debating the specific topics, the thing is, you REFUSE to be convinced on these topics. so it is what it is

janklow

also, i will point out that you came back to "nosign" the post after you were "officially done with the thread" ... thereby confirming that you are a liar ... which leads me to believe you'll vote for Obama after all

calling it right now based on your proven web of lies