P. Diddy - How did he help & how did he hurt the game

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He opened niggas eyes from a financial perspective, and he sadly taught niggas hard lessons on the importance of paperwork intellect.....
    ocelotSeansosa
  • Plap SunPlap Sun Posts: 966
    edited May 2012
    that nigga is the ultimate businessman

    people kno that he a crook but still sign with him

    diddy a fuckin genius
    RawAce
  • 5th Letter5th Letter Posts: 25,410 Regulator
    Diddy is a smart dude but he always seemed a little shady. All these rappers claiming diddy owe them money, it has to be some truth to those claims.
    Seansosa
  • Disciplined InSightDisciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Posts: 12,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think everyone that has posted so far made valid points in this thread that I co-sign. No need for me add on any further.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭✭
    as my nigga "musicology" used to say "puff's a player and he lets u know he's a player"......

    u gotta be educated, sharp, and on point before u try jumpin in with them sharks....
  • ocelotocelot Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • D.D.S.D.D.S. Posts: 5,044 Regulator
    He's a slick cunning mastermind with a appetite for recognizing talent and draining it for a come up.To give where credit is due.He's got a hell of a business and marketing acumen but in all honesty...

    He's a talentless leech and a well documented faggot(Refer To mark curry's dance with the devil book)

    What type of hetero sexual man goes on Proactive Commercials and says "I just wanna moisturize my sexy"?..

    He's a Pawn on a bigger chess board..Personally to me he's anti hip hop.He represents commercialism and making a buck for the sake of watering the game down...His personalty is evil..Like forreal who makes someone walk for miles for a cheesecake? that type of shyt ain't cool on a human level

    co-sign bolded. that's exactly how i feel
    NothingButTheTruth
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He's a slick cunning mastermind with a appetite for recognizing talent and draining it for a come up.To give where credit is due.He's got a hell of a business and marketing acumen but in all honesty...

    He's a talentless leech and a well documented faggot(Refer To mark curry's dance with the devil book)

    What type of hetero sexual man goes on Proactive Commercials and says "I just wanna moisturize my sexy"?..

    He's a Pawn on a bigger chess board..Personally to me he's anti hip hop.He represents commercialism and making a buck for the sake of watering the game down...His personalty is evil..Like forreal who makes someone walk for miles for a cheesecake? that type of shyt ain't cool on a human level

    Ready To Die, Shyne (debut), and G-Dep (Child of The Ghetto) are some of the rawest joints released till this day....

  • RawAceRawAce Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Plap Sun wrote: »
    that nigga is the ultimate businessman

    people kno that he a crook but still sign with him

    diddy a fuckin genius

    thats what i be thinkin
    Diddy is a str8 mobster

    people talk all types od shit about how he a shady dude but if given an offer by him,
    they all over it

    many a rapper woulda walked for that damn cheesecake and they know it

  • DMTxTHCDMTxTHC Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He's a slick cunning mastermind with a appetite for recognizing talent and draining it for a come up.To give where credit is due.He's got a hell of a business and marketing acumen but in all honesty...

    He's a talentless leech and a well documented faggot(Refer To mark curry's dance with the devil book)

    What type of hetero sexual man goes on Proactive Commercials and says "I just wanna moisturize my sexy"?..

    He's a Pawn on a bigger chess board..Personally to me he's anti hip hop.He represents commercialism and making a buck for the sake of watering the game down...His personalty is evil..Like forreal who makes someone walk for miles for a cheesecake? that type of shyt ain't cool on a human level

    ROFL @ the underlined. I can't believe he said that.
  • OuncemanOunceman Posts: 5,457 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2012
    We need to put what u refer to as "the game" into context. if we are referring to the business side of the game, then i agree that he's a mastermind. his business ventures include sean john, bad boy records, restaurants, operating a movie production company, holding share in ciroc. he has a net worth of an estimated 500 million according to forbes. he epitomizes what a hip hop mogul can and should be. but now if we are referring to the music side of the game, then i really can't say he's done anything else other than completely hurt and ruin it. im starting to sound like a broken record because if u track the history of my posts, you'll discover that ive stressed time and time again that shiddy and his little shiny suit era was the beginning of the end. everyone who complains about that state of hip hop today has him to thank for it
    RawAceH-Rap 180
  • FucktheICFucktheIC Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Alright, let's just be real here. Diddy defined an era of hip hop. And the nigga can't be that much of a snake if everyone who signed to him wants to come back. A lot of niggas just have a fucked up view of the industry.

    If your shit ain't sellin, the fuck should I put money behind your project for?
  • 209murdamike209murdamike Posts: 557
    He's a slick cunning mastermind with a appetite for recognizing talent and draining it for a come up.To give where credit is due.He's got a hell of a business and marketing acumen but in all honesty...

    He's a talentless leech and a well documented faggot(Refer To mark curry's dance with the devil book)

    What type of hetero sexual man goes on Proactive Commercials and says "I just wanna moisturize my sexy"?..

    He's a Pawn on a bigger chess board..Personally to me he's anti hip hop.He represents commercialism and making a buck for the sake of watering the game down...His personalty is evil..Like forreal who makes someone walk for miles for a cheesecake? that type of shyt ain't cool on a human level

    this had me rollin
  • Mr. CaesarMr. Caesar Posts: 80
    edited May 2012
    I think it depends on which person you're talking about: the entrepreneur, or the record maker? Sean "Puffy" Combs, Puff Daddy, or P. Diddy? All of these entities are embodied by one man, but they've all had an impact on Hip Hop; both positive and negative.

    The entrepreneur stretched the boundaries of what Hip Hop moguls could accomplish; and how far they could go businesswise and financially, and that's definitley a good thing. The record maker started in the early 90's, and helped broker the union of Hip Hop and R&B that birthed a lot of classic records.

    But, the differences between Sean "Puffy" Combs, Puff Daddy, and P. Diddy is where you enter the gray area. Puffy had a feel for music, and helped mold the sound, look and careers of Jodeci, Mary J. Blige, 112, The Notorious BIG and others. And Puffy's instincts made the first five years of Bad Boy (1994-1998) almost epic.

    The commericial success of Puff Daddy, however, helped derail New York Hip Hop in the late 1990's. HIs surface-level sampling and glossy vibes prompted a lot of glory-chasers to follow his lead; and it diluted the quality of a lot of records. And when he became Diddy, Sean "Puffy" Combs was gone for good. He wasn't a record man anymore; he became a walking corporation. Artists who thought they were in business with Puffy, like 112, Faith Evans and New Edition, realized that he'd left the building, and the dude they were now dealing with (Diddy) had no time to guide their careers.

    Sean's a complicated dude. As such, there's both good and bad in what he's done over the years. But, you got to give him his due. I think he's done more to help the game than hurt it.

    [Deleted User]SixGwad
  • FucktheICFucktheIC Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nate D.O. wrote: »
    the nigga got B.I.G killed.

    I don't understand this argument. What did he stand to gain from that?
  • JokerKingJokerKing Bitches That I Date Don't Get Degrees, But They Can Dress Watching Jimmy Fallon With Barbara GordonPosts: 23,483 Regulator
    Diddy would sell his mother into slavery for a profit and that makes him one of the greatest bussiness men alive. You have to be ruthless and evil to succeed in the cutthroat music industry. He is a evil genius who knows how to play the game.
  • antarticpantarticp Posts: 8,345 ✭✭✭✭✭
    H-Rap 180 wrote: »
    He's a gangster with the paperwork and the greatest business mind that HipHop has ever had.

    ...but on the flip-side he turned NY's gritty organic boom-bap into some glitzy shiny-suit Hip-Pop that was so over-commercialized and bubbly that NY damn near lost it's identity. Diddy and the Hit-men were masterful and combining the HipHop-R&B hybrid sound of that era that strayed from the DJ Premier, Pete Rock, Rza soundscapes that were a NY trademark.

    Fashion-rap, Cristal & Coogi rhymes, that shit ruled MTV and crossed-over like crazy.....kinda opened the gate for the South to stampede the game with their club-friendly bounce tracks that have dominated the game every since.


    Diddy made metro-sexuality seem hip, he mastered the art of product-placement and brand advertising in music/video and his model is pretty much the standard in 2011.


    Diddy was a destructive force to HipHop in many ways but from a financial perspective he was a genius.

    funny ish is Trackmasters are trying to take ownership for that style of production ... i would give them that had Ready to Die didnt drop before IWW ...
    “We were one of the pioneers of, 'Yo lets make block party records.' Like, what DJ’s used to do, back then, they used to just put on instrumentals of an R&B record and emcees used to just rap over it. So we had that whole mentality of let do that. That’s when everybody started going sample crazy because we started doing that stuff and it was working at radio.

    source:http://www.complex.com/music/2012/05/the-making-of-nas-it-was-written/if-i-ruled-the-world-imagine-that
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