When Wayne made battle type rap commercial again, why couldnt NY capitalize?

32DaysOfInfiniti

I was thinking about it, and i know he really got it from Gillie and rollin with Santana, but for whatever reason, the style which Wayne adopted, that shock type say whatever it takes to get a rise rap common for decades out east, as oppose to his prior narrative style rapping, people caught on like fish and suddenly he was many people's GOAT.

So if Wayne can use that style to sell multi-million albums to white folks, get megarich, and praised for killing tracks when he dont be saying shit, why didnt New York /east coast rappers get in on that. As a matter of fact, they seem to have shied away from that kinda music during the time Wayne was sky rocketing.

You'd think they'd have been able to shine best at what they are best known for (punchline rapping), but here you got a southerner who finally did it cool enough to make it pop?

What did Wayne do so much better than all those real NY battle MCs who been on the hood tapes for ages?

What gives? discuss...

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He was actually able to release albums instead of 20 mixtapes.

nj2089

Who are these NY battle MC's u speak off

A1000MILES

What you talkin bout...Is bein a punch line rapper...Which, of course, is something many east coast rappers have leaned on for years...But of course...Many rap fans from up there will say that when rattles off punch line after punch line, just like a lotta they rappers do...He's just a shitty southern rapper...Oh well.

TimeToParty

nj2089 wrote: »

Who are these NY battle MC's u speak off

Jamaica

A1000MILES wrote: »

What you talkin bout...Is bein a punch line rapper...Which, of course, is something many east coast rappers have leaned on for years...But of course...Many rap fans from up there will say that when rattles off punch line after punch line, just like a lotta they rappers do...He's just a shitty southern rapper...Oh well.

What does that have to do with anything?

A1000MILES

Lol...I knew it...

Lab Baby

TimeToParty wrote: »

nj2089 wrote: »

Who are these NY battle MC's u speak off

DEAD...

And LMAO @ Wayne's "real gs move in silence like lasagna" style being considered battle style rap.

Black_Samson

because if you are winning the battle, wayne would likely say or do some gay shit, just to turn the tides...

DR. JEK

What wayne did better was appeal to whites. Started dressin like a white boy, got all these other young black kids dressin like skaters with the tight jeans and all that. It was more than music with him,...it's like he started a little sub culture of his own that the mixtape NY guys wasn't gonna do. It's all a fade to me but the lil teenage kids eat it all up.

BlackGerald

lol at wayne influencing people's clothing

nj2089

Wayne was career was already established tho

jono

The punchline style had come and gone in NY. Biggie, BDK, Jay-Z, and Jadakiss already used that style, which is where Wayne got it from (imitating Jay-Z). He just made his shit punchline...punchline...punchline with a bunch of filler nonsense in between.

Also around that time JR Writer, Juelz Santana, Fabolous, Papoose & Cassidy were doing the punchline shit heavy too...niggas were trying to be different so a lot of people fell off it and left that shit alone.

Nile Gambino

32DaysOfInfiniti wrote:

I was thinking about it, and i know he really got it from Gillie and rollin with Santana, but for whatever reason, the style which Wayne adopted, that shock type say whatever it takes to get a rise rap common for decades out east, as oppose to his prior narrative style rapping, people caught on like fish and suddenly he was many people's GOAT.

So if Wayne can use that style to sell multi-million albums to white folks, get megarich, and praised for killing tracks when he dont be saying shit, why didnt New York /east coast rappers get in on that. As a matter of fact, they seem to have shied away from that kinda music during the time Wayne was sky rocketing.

You'd think they'd have been able to shine best at what they are best known for (punchline rapping), but here you got a southerner who finally did it cool enough to make it pop?

What did Wayne do so much better than all those real NY battle MCs who been on the hood tapes for ages?

What gives? discuss...

wft r u talkin bout the new lloyd banks mixtape shits on the whole wayne discography new york niggaz makes bad albums because they are concerned about sales and club bangers and shit like fab and jada if they rap on albums like mixtapes these southern niggaz will be in the real trap smh

blackrain

Lab Baby wrote: »

TimeToParty wrote: »

nj2089 wrote: »

Who are these NY battle MC's u speak off

DEAD...

And LMAO @ Wayne's "real gs move in silence like lasagna" style being considered battle style rap.

*smh at that line confusing so many people who claimed to be "too smart to listen to lil wayne"

blackrain

Nile Gambino wrote: »

32DaysOfInfiniti wrote:

I was thinking about it, and i know he really got it from Gillie and rollin with Santana, but for whatever reason, the style which Wayne adopted, that shock type say whatever it takes to get a rise rap common for decades out east, as oppose to his prior narrative style rapping, people caught on like fish and suddenly he was many people's GOAT.

So if Wayne can use that style to sell multi-million albums to white folks, get megarich, and praised for killing tracks when he dont be saying shit, why didnt New York /east coast rappers get in on that. As a matter of fact, they seem to have shied away from that kinda music during the time Wayne was sky rocketing.

You'd think they'd have been able to shine best at what they are best known for (punchline rapping), but here you got a southerner who finally did it cool enough to make it pop?

What did Wayne do so much better than all those real NY battle MCs who been on the hood tapes for ages?

What gives? discuss...

wft r u talkin bout the new lloyd banks mixtape shits on the whole wayne discography new york niggaz makes bad albums because they are concerned about sales and club bangers and shit like fab and jada if they rap on albums like mixtapes these southern niggaz will be in the real trap smh

Mixtapes now are nothing more than free albums so that makes no sense. Fab put out TINC series, damn near free albums (though TINC3 is fucking garbage). The problem with alot of NY rappers now is they don't fucking sound like NY rappers. Until one of my boys who lives on Pelham Pkway int he Bronx told me French Montana was from the BX I thought he was some random southern nigga. All of ya'll "hottest" rappers and rappers with the most buzz outside of Jay-Z are either signed too or heavily affiliated with southern rappers.

almighty breeze

what exactly did he do better
if anything he was in a situation that was more stable- being the only/lead artist on his label where in comparison a lot of the "NY battle rappers" (wtf) were barely securing deals & release dates and were "battling" b/c thats how the circuit is/has been
so to help answer ur ? a southern rapper using "that shock type say whatever it takes to get a rise rap" (wtf) is much more of a novelty

Wayne didnt do anything better he just hopped onto shit people were already doing & got credit fo popularizing them. A lot of it is b/c of his situation not his ability or his execution. The fact he was able to stick by a release date and had steady promotion answers this question by itself

2004- Carter I- Wayne turns heads by delivering a very solid/good album. Doesnt gain traction as what ur describing though. Puts himself in conversation for rappers to lead next generation with TI; Fab and Kanye

2005-Wayne is just one of many. Dec '05- Carter II is released the same year as 50 Cent, Beanie Sigel & Cassidy (East Coast wise) Punchline rapping the norm.

2006- Wayne magically transforms into a 'rockstar' simultaneously as Dipset goes into the skulls/Ed Hardy tee shirts/tight jean and the 'party like a rockstar" bullshit is in full force. Jim Jones & Fat joe are suddenly his best friends & DJ Khaled begins his soon to be unbearable guest feature barrage. this is also the last year Wayne made sense consitently

2007- Wayne is now an alien (Andre & Big Boi were Aliens 11 year earlier, but i didnt say that) with a whole legion of die hard fans willing to lay down their lives for his. His visibility leads to him being featured on 768 songs he has no business on spitting nonsense bars that people love. Latches himself onto T-Pain & starts mumbling gibberish thats prasied as original/great

2008-Carter 3. Auto-tune.Seeds planted. Fruit beared. Damage done

Nile Gambino

blackrain wrote: »

Nile Gambino wrote: »

32DaysOfInfiniti wrote:

I was thinking about it, and i know he really got it from Gillie and rollin with Santana, but for whatever reason, the style which Wayne adopted, that shock type say whatever it takes to get a rise rap common for decades out east, as oppose to his prior narrative style rapping, people caught on like fish and suddenly he was many people's GOAT.

So if Wayne can use that style to sell multi-million albums to white folks, get megarich, and praised for killing tracks when he dont be saying shit, why didnt New York /east coast rappers get in on that. As a matter of fact, they seem to have shied away from that kinda music during the time Wayne was sky rocketing.

You'd think they'd have been able to shine best at what they are best known for (punchline rapping), but here you got a southerner who finally did it cool enough to make it pop?

What did Wayne do so much better than all those real NY battle MCs who been on the hood tapes for ages?

What gives? discuss...

wft r u talkin bout the new lloyd banks mixtape shits on the whole wayne discography new york niggaz makes bad albums because they are concerned about sales and club bangers and shit like fab and jada if they rap on albums like mixtapes these southern niggaz will be in the real trap smh

Mixtapes now are nothing more than free albums so that makes no sense. Fab put out TINC series, damn near free albums (though TINC3 is fucking garbage). The problem with alot of NY rappers now is they don't fucking sound like NY rappers. Until one of my boys who lives on Pelham Pkway int he Bronx told me French Montana was from the BX I thought he was some random southern nigga. All of ya'll "hottest" rappers and rappers with the most buzz outside of Jay-Z are either signed too or heavily affiliated with southern rappers.

fool french montana is not even from the states he is morrocan plus tinc3 aint garbage and sothern niggaz affiliate themselves with new york niggaz like rossand wayne been on fat joe's dick making a genre called miami hiphop plus they all a student of jay-z school which is a lil school in new york hiphop the only nigga i respect from the south is trae the truth he can hold his own against anybody plus his albums are like his mixtapes raw but i aint the south is all bad they can rap but compared to new york niggaz they aint all that and that's coming from a guy who grew up on big jay nas cnn mobb deep and the wu no body ever will top these rappers and they material

A1000MILES

See...That timeline breakdown was funny as fuck...I give a nigga props when it's due... @almightybreeze if I wasn't mobile, you'd get the lol...

infamous114

Nile Gambino wrote: »

blackrain wrote: »

Nile Gambino wrote: »

32DaysOfInfiniti wrote:

I was thinking about it, and i know he really got it from Gillie and rollin with Santana, but for whatever reason, the style which Wayne adopted, that shock type say whatever it takes to get a rise rap common for decades out east, as oppose to his prior narrative style rapping, people caught on like fish and suddenly he was many people's GOAT.

So if Wayne can use that style to sell multi-million albums to white folks, get megarich, and praised for killing tracks when he dont be saying shit, why didnt New York /east coast rappers get in on that. As a matter of fact, they seem to have shied away from that kinda music during the time Wayne was sky rocketing.

You'd think they'd have been able to shine best at what they are best known for (punchline rapping), but here you got a southerner who finally did it cool enough to make it pop?

What did Wayne do so much better than all those real NY battle MCs who been on the hood tapes for ages?

What gives? discuss...

wft r u talkin bout the new lloyd banks mixtape shits on the whole wayne discography new york niggaz makes bad albums because they are concerned about sales and club bangers and shit like fab and jada if they rap on albums like mixtapes these southern niggaz will be in the real trap smh

Mixtapes now are nothing more than free albums so that makes no sense. Fab put out TINC series, damn near free albums (though TINC3 is fucking garbage). The problem with alot of NY rappers now is they don't fucking sound like NY rappers. Until one of my boys who lives on Pelham Pkway int he Bronx told me French Montana was from the BX I thought he was some random southern nigga. All of ya'll "hottest" rappers and rappers with the most buzz outside of Jay-Z are either signed too or heavily affiliated with southern rappers.

fool french montana is not even from the states he is morrocan plus tinc3 aint garbage and sothern niggaz affiliate themselves with new york niggaz like rossand wayne been on fat joe's dick making a genre called miami hiphop plus they all a student of jay-z school which is a lil school in new york hiphop the only nigga i respect from the south is trae the truth he can hold his own against anybody plus his albums are like his mixtapes raw but i aint the south is all bad they can rap but compared to new york niggaz they aint all that and that's coming from a guy who grew up on big jay nas cnn mobb deep and the wu no body ever will top these rappers and they material

You're an idiot. More like Fat Joe migrated to Miami and jumped on the Ross and Wayne bandwagon.

DMTxCannabis

LOL...

Nile Gambino

infamous114 wrote: »

Nile Gambino wrote: »

blackrain wrote: »

Nile Gambino wrote: »

32DaysOfInfiniti wrote:

I was thinking about it, and i know he really got it from Gillie and rollin with Santana, but for whatever reason, the style which Wayne adopted, that shock type say whatever it takes to get a rise rap common for decades out east, as oppose to his prior narrative style rapping, people caught on like fish and suddenly he was many people's GOAT.

So if Wayne can use that style to sell multi-million albums to white folks, get megarich, and praised for killing tracks when he dont be saying shit, why didnt New York /east coast rappers get in on that. As a matter of fact, they seem to have shied away from that kinda music during the time Wayne was sky rocketing.

You'd think they'd have been able to shine best at what they are best known for (punchline rapping), but here you got a southerner who finally did it cool enough to make it pop?

What did Wayne do so much better than all those real NY battle MCs who been on the hood tapes for ages?

What gives? discuss...

wft r u talkin bout the new lloyd banks mixtape shits on the whole wayne discography new york niggaz makes bad albums because they are concerned about sales and club bangers and shit like fab and jada if they rap on albums like mixtapes these southern niggaz will be in the real trap smh

Mixtapes now are nothing more than free albums so that makes no sense. Fab put out TINC series, damn near free albums (though TINC3 is fucking garbage). The problem with alot of NY rappers now is they don't fucking sound like NY rappers. Until one of my boys who lives on Pelham Pkway int he Bronx told me French Montana was from the BX I thought he was some random southern nigga. All of ya'll "hottest" rappers and rappers with the most buzz outside of Jay-Z are either signed too or heavily affiliated with southern rappers.

fool french montana is not even from the states he is morrocan plus tinc3 aint garbage and sothern niggaz affiliate themselves with new york niggaz like rossand wayne been on fat joe's dick making a genre called miami hiphop plus they all a student of jay-z school which is a lil school in new york hiphop the only nigga i respect from the south is trae the truth he can hold his own against anybody plus his albums are like his mixtapes raw but i aint the south is all bad they can rap but compared to new york niggaz they aint all that and that's coming from a guy who grew up on big jay nas cnn mobb deep and the wu no body ever will top these rappers and they material

You're an idiot. More like Fat Joe migrated to Miami and jumped on the Ross and Wayne bandwagon.

fuck you nigga fat joe is legend he is been rapping since the 90's which means he was providing the streets of new york with hardcore music while wayne was on baby's lap and ross locking niggaz up he made that so called miami hiphop and hyped their movement he went to their town and took over shit
hey faggot u still mad

jono

Wayne is indeed a swagger jacker. My homie is a huge Wayne fan and I call him out on in all the time. He dressed like Dipset when he was hanging with Dipset, he was dressing like Clipse when he was hanging with Clipse.

I understand no idea's original but niggas act like dude really started some new shit. Everything he did he jacked someone else.

*400 Degreez he jacked that
*Go DJ he jacked that too
*Both him & Baby re-did old Cash Money songs (like Go DJ, Get Ya Shine On!! etc)
*he started rapping like Jay-Z.

"Good artists borrow, great artists steal"--

infamous114

Nile Gambino wrote: »

infamous114 wrote: »

Nile Gambino wrote: »

blackrain wrote: »

Nile Gambino wrote: »

32DaysOfInfiniti wrote:

I was thinking about it, and i know he really got it from Gillie and rollin with Santana, but for whatever reason, the style which Wayne adopted, that shock type say whatever it takes to get a rise rap common for decades out east, as oppose to his prior narrative style rapping, people caught on like fish and suddenly he was many people's GOAT.

So if Wayne can use that style to sell multi-million albums to white folks, get megarich, and praised for killing tracks when he dont be saying shit, why didnt New York /east coast rappers get in on that. As a matter of fact, they seem to have shied away from that kinda music during the time Wayne was sky rocketing.

You'd think they'd have been able to shine best at what they are best known for (punchline rapping), but here you got a southerner who finally did it cool enough to make it pop?

What did Wayne do so much better than all those real NY battle MCs who been on the hood tapes for ages?

What gives? discuss...

wft r u talkin bout the new lloyd banks mixtape shits on the whole wayne discography new york niggaz makes bad albums because they are concerned about sales and club bangers and shit like fab and jada if they rap on albums like mixtapes these southern niggaz will be in the real trap smh

Mixtapes now are nothing more than free albums so that makes no sense. Fab put out TINC series, damn near free albums (though TINC3 is fucking garbage). The problem with alot of NY rappers now is they don't fucking sound like NY rappers. Until one of my boys who lives on Pelham Pkway int he Bronx told me French Montana was from the BX I thought he was some random southern nigga. All of ya'll "hottest" rappers and rappers with the most buzz outside of Jay-Z are either signed too or heavily affiliated with southern rappers.

fool french montana is not even from the states he is morrocan plus tinc3 aint garbage and sothern niggaz affiliate themselves with new york niggaz like rossand wayne been on fat joe's dick making a genre called miami hiphop plus they all a student of jay-z school which is a lil school in new york hiphop the only nigga i respect from the south is trae the truth he can hold his own against anybody plus his albums are like his mixtapes raw but i aint the south is all bad they can rap but compared to new york niggaz they aint all that and that's coming from a guy who grew up on big jay nas cnn mobb deep and the wu no body ever will top these rappers and they material

You're an idiot. More like Fat Joe migrated to Miami and jumped on the Ross and Wayne bandwagon.

fuck you nigga fat joe is legend he is been rapping since the 90's which means he was providing the streets of new york with hardcore music while wayne was on baby's lap and ross locking niggaz up he made that so called miami hiphop and hyped their movement he went to their town and took over shit
hey faggot u still mad

LMAO. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. LOL @ Fat Joe coming to my town and taking over shit.

Nile Gambino

don cartagena > ross and wayne discography combined together
plus he is one of few that lived that life he raps about
the fuck u talking about fool
if big pun was alive he would ve these niggaz alive