Subliminal Diss

af.r.i.c.a.

post some subliminal lines that are obvious shots at other rappers. I expect to see a lot of Hov lines lol

sniperk

"Been hoppin' out the BM with your BM
Taking her to places you couldn't go with your per diem"

Jay Z on 'Three Kings' taking yet another slick shot at Nas?

When Jay said "Hoppin' out the BM (BMW) with your BM (Baby Mama)" it immediately made me think of his lines about Carmen from 'Super Ugly' when he was beefin' with Nas

I know him and Nas are supposed to be cool now but Jigga is funny styles like that....

BlackGerald

sniperk wrote: »

"Been hoppin' out the BM with your BM
Taking her to places you couldn't go with your per diem"

Jay Z on 'Three Kings' taking yet another slick shot at Nas?

When Jay said "Hoppin' out the BM (BMW) with your BM (Baby Mama)" it immediately made me think of his lines about Carmen from 'Super Ugly' when he was beefin' with Nas

I know him and Nas are supposed to be cool now but Jigga is funny styles like that....

nah, i think thats a reach

that No Lie song is Drake's faggot ass dissing Rihanna

just.might.b.ok

"you already know what i do to fools
so when i get down i aint gon be in the Muzik Mood"
Royce at Joe Budden

This aint Detroit red you wont X me out my Malcolm
Obie at nobody

"if i was trying to X you out you know you'd be dead
you need beef with me like you need a hole in your head"
Royce at Obie (for some reason)

genocidecutter

Subliminal disses are wack. Be a man about it and diss him up front

DR. JEK

Yeah, i hate sublims

BlackGerald

i don't care if people throw subliminals but some rappers go over board

BobOblah

I appreciate a clever subliminal. if youre scared to ever say a name is different though

just.might.b.ok

DR. JEK wrote: »

Yeah, i hate sublims

you're cosigning a guy that most likely looks like this

BlackGerald

just.might.b.ok wrote: »

DR. JEK wrote: »

Yeah, i hate sublims

you're cosigning a guy that most likely looks like this

shenco?

ROZAYTABERNACLE

BobOblah wrote: »

I appreciate a clever subliminal. if youre scared to ever say a name is different though

Exactly. Sometimes it can ruin a songs playback quality if it's all "Fuck ___, fuck ____, etc." especially when it's a few years after. They start sounding like mixtape disses

polymath

Subliminal diss songs are the best cuz the songs last longer that those 'fuck him/her', 'suck my dick' type of songs.
E.g. I can still listen to Long Kiss Goodnight and Drop a Gem on em, they are lyrical subliminal classics; but i can't listen to hit em up, the songs long expired...

b@squ1@t redux

i always wanted to buy some beats by dre and just walk around with them like an asshole college student high school student

b@squ1@t redux

Pardon the lack of precise poasting. I'm gone off that punky brewster.

Nile Gambino

"Don't let the liquor fool you, cause I'll stick it to you
Somethin sharp to the heart, or somethin big to move you
The Desert or the shottie, whateva you the body
that chose to be the dumb nigga at the party
Too much Bacardi started speakin dumb
Then you tried to snuff Joe - must have been Puerto Rican rum"
big pun going at jay-z on 100
to all 90's babies hova worshipers that shit happened fo real

Sion

I know he came at Gayme on here too w/ the 38 mil verse but the first 20 seconds of the record I SWEAR he's talking to 50 Cent..... Lets be real who else got hooks & an image like Fif (being shot 9 times & beefing with Ja arguably got him the sales) ? Couldn't have been Gayme he's got bars.

sully

Before he decided to put Dear Summer as a song on Bleek's album, Jay-Z freestyled it on Hot 97 and used it to subliminally diss Game.

Y'all put my verse on your records and all that, I want 700%/
I'm comin' in for 700%, Do not put my verse on your records, aight?/
You plan to bang, I plan to bang too/
You playing the games, i'm seeing the thing through/
You saying my name to entertain your crew/
I ain't playing no games, the shots' exchange through/
Fresh off probation, I got a charge to throw away/
My lawyer say for 80 large it'll go away/
that ain't no money to Jay/
so you could get it broad day on broadway while TRL tapin'/
You playing a game you know you ain't gon' win/
Quit playing those childish games, I'm grown men/
I don't give a fuck about cars or chrome rims/
I got apartments you could put your home in/
Can I live?/
Can I Keep it going?, Can I keep going?
Do not put my verse on your records, dawg
I keep guns in the room

Niggaz back up; they know I'm not no fronter/
I don't talk shit, I just flip it "+Un" ya/

It's like when niggaz make subliminal records/
Know they ain't directed directly at me, I don't respect it/
You don't really want it with Hov, for the record/
I put a couple careers on hold, you could be next kid/
Keep entering the danger zone/
You gon' make that boy Hov put your name in a song/
If you that hungry for fame, cocksucker c'mon/
Say when, take ten paces and spin/

Niggaz can't fuck with me/
I'm in a good mood, you lucky, I in a good groove/
And I ain't trying to mess my thing up/
But I will lay down a couple green bucks, get you clinked up/
Now I'm "Pulp Fiction", Colt four-fifth and/
Young niggaz that blast for me/blasphemy, no religion/

sully

Biggie subliminally dissed Nas on Victory:

The son of satan
They say my killin's too blatant
You hesitatin, I'm in your mama crib waitin
Duct tapin your fam, Destiny,
Lays in my hands, gat lays in my waist

Co-Town Michael

Pimp going at Lil Troy, but not directly saying his name.
Pimp ain't say his name because Lil Troy previously sued Scarface for "defamation of character and slander" on a previous diss.

SlickestR

"Fuck Jay-Z"

illedout

Worst enemies want to be my best friends
Best friends want to be enemies, like that's what's in
But I don't give a fuck, walk inside the lion's den
Take everybody's chips, about to cash them in

Nas on success..
when he first signed to DefJam..
going at Jay..
let this bitch breathe..

aneed123

just.might.b.ok wrote: »

"you already know what i do to fools
so when i get down i aint gon be in the Muzik Mood"
Royce at Joe Budden

This aint Detroit red you wont X me out my Malcolm
Obie at nobody

"if i was trying to X you out you know you'd be dead
you need beef with me like you need a hole in your head"
Royce at Obie (for some reason)

Obie was down with D12 and Shady I know Royces diss was Malcom X so I think Obie threw shots first

jono

Gotta love a good subliminal shot.

You can go back and see beef bubbling before the overt disses. The most obvious of this is the Jay/Nas thing. If you listen to some of their previous stuff now, you could see them baiting each other to see who was going to be the first to overtly step up.

That "ask Nas he don't want it with Hov" wasn't the first shot, they had been going at it for awhile. Nas took a shot at Bleek just to be sure but it was definitely some heat coming from Rocafella towards Nas before Bleek or Jay mentioned it.

Of course we know now that it was all over Carmen but back then we had no clue.

I'll try to lay out a timeline of shit I caught personally:

Nas "How We Livin" (w/ AZ) I forget the year, I think 1996 or 1997--
"Is That yo bitch in my 6/ turning up the volume when she hear my hits?"

About 2 years later (1998-1999) Jay-Z drops "Is That Yo Bitch"...
"She got you whipped, got your kids
Got your home, but that's not your bitch
You share that girl, don't let 'em hear daddy he url
It'll make 'em sick that his favorite chick
Ain't saving it, unfaithful bitch"

Nas comes back in 1999-2000 with "Come Get Me":
You don't like me clown? Now you wanna take me down?
If I bring my face around, you gon' do what? You butt
Your crew knew I blew up, I been shinin - baseball diamonds
Dick rings for your chicklings
Niggaz know what my nine pearl handle's about
Fuck you say girlie mouth? Get it crunk like the Dirty South
And I know you see me flossed out, multi-milli-i
Hear your bitch talk about me, you give her the cold eye?
Girls dig you, imagine what she feel for me?
You make hot songs, but she know you steal from me

Jay then of course mentions Nas by name after that.

Now there may be some things I missed and just for those that think I'm reaching: the overt disses basically lay out the path.

Hov fucked Carmen and knew that was his trump card if a battle broke out ("you know who did you know what with you know who/lets keep that between me and you" [for now])

There's a lot that goes into that "for now" basically meant that he was going to spill but that he wouldn't if Nas didn't respond, which of course he did and Jay spilled the beans.

I come to that conclusion because of course that's ultimately what happened and of course because of "Last Real Nigga Alive":

"A quiet man who used to be alone planning
Baby moms thought I was too quiet, couldn't stand it
She hit the streets, later on she hittin' the sheets
With a rapper who wanted me on his songs thinking he strong
I taught her how to watch for cars that might follow
Taught her street shit that I know her weakness was shine yo"

And to put a nice little bow on the whole story...
Nas actually said it out of his mouth that all this was over Carmen:
"You see a nigga who know, out of three women 2 out of 3 will love you but lead you to they own, hidden evil BITCH! You the reason niggaz be beefin, hoe get on 'Posed to be Earth, ain't worth the pussy that you sit on" (The Cross)

Earth = mother of a child...in 5% language.

Looking at it this way it makes more sense.

Jay-Z was the most popular rapper of the era. BIG was dead, Pac was dead, DMX was an ally, Scarface was an ally the only person in any position to challenge him was Nas and in his mind he had a trump card on him (fuckin Carmen Nas' Baby Mama) so he figured it was an easy coup de grace.

It was a win-win situation for Jay. Either he disses Nas and he doesn't respond (win because he can say Nas was scared to take him on) and he's crowned king with little bloodshed or Nas responds and he bombs on him on a personal level (which is what it came down to) and he wins in a bloody battle, either way he couldn't see himself losing.

Of course he ended up losing but as plans go, they often go awry at some point.

n.mcfly

Nas coming at jay

You can't B.I., see I'm eternal, not luck
You get shot-up, boxed-up next for the grave
Your flow is one dimensional, your level is 2nd grade
You're on top - WHAT?
Copy and fuck, I said it first, you repeated
Your false crown covered in dirt - defeated
Y'all niggas all hail, the King is dead
He running like a bitch with his tail between his legs
'Stillmatic', still eye 4 an eye, wanna be God
You're just the next rapper to die, fucking with Nas

Jadakiss coming at jay
who really the best rapper since big ain't here ?
Ya'll know the answer to that when kiss ain't here.

jay going at 50
Hova the God, I should be rappin' with the turban
Haters can't disturb him, waiters can't serve him
Mike Jordan of rap, outside J workin'
Now watch how quickly I drop 50

I don't like playin', niggaz can't stick me
Niggaz cannot jam me, niggaz can't get me
Slimmy at the Rucka wanna leave and spend with me
I consistently take 'em out the park like Ken Griffey


jay at nas imo
Niggas say it's the dawn, but I'm superstitious
Shit is as dark as it's been, nothing has gone as you predicted
I move with biscuits, stop the heart of niggas acting too suspicious
This is food for thought -- you do the dishes

come on there's too many
joe budden going at jay
jay getting at nas on murder marcyville
nas going at jay on you wanna be me

CeLLaR-DooR

Good subliminal > Sayin' "fuck X"...

Jay - "All I see is these niggas I made millionaires
Milling about, spilling they feelings in the air"

And all of Kick in the Door

vslyke

Subliminals are a classic part of hip hop. End of story. Just go back to the old Ultramag records where they sublim dissed EVERYONE.