Why couldn't Jay blow up when Big and Pac were alive?

Pervis

all I ever hear about jay-z is that he's the goat, the greatest ever, the mj of rap, best rapper of all time, and all that other bullshit. whenever i talk to these camel jockeys they always use sales as the reason why he's better than other mcs. but when pac and big was alive, where was he? why wasn't he doing big numbers? why wasn't he going plat like they was? why did he have to wait until big & pac left until he blew up?

you even had boring ass nawse going multi-plat in 96 when rap was at its most competitive. how can this cat be named the greatest when he had to wait for the two biggest names to die before he got on?

DNB1

It's hate on Jay season...

More Jay hate threads to come before christmas.....watch this space.....

Serious Juice Mayne

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NikeAirMax

They were just much better Artists/Rappers and made much better Albums and music than he has in my opinion so that is why he simply couldn't blow up when they were alive

NikeAirMax

Pervis wrote: »

all I ever hear about jay-z is that he's the goat, the greatest ever, the mj of rap, best rapper of all time, and all that other bullshit. whenever i talk to these camel jockeys they always use sales as the reason why he's better than other mcs. but when pac and big was alive, where was he? why wasn't he doing big numbers? why wasn't he going plat like they was? why did he have to wait until big & pac left until he blew up?

you even had boring ass nawse going multi-plat in 96 when rap was at its most competitive. how can this cat be named the greatest when he had to wait for the two biggest names to die before he got on?

Even though Reasonable Doubt is by far the best Album Jay Z has ever made it still never sold that well at all

numbaz...80's baby

Maybe because Pac died less than a year b4 his first album came out and Biggie died less than a year afterwards?


That's like asking why couldn't MJ win a ring until Bird and Magic dam near retired. Umm......because it wasn't his time yet and the GOATS were still being the GOATS?

NikeAirMax

Also another reason is Jay Z's style was taken from and greatly influenced by Biggie Smalls

antarticp

Pervis wrote: »

all I ever hear about jay-z is that he's the goat, the greatest ever, the mj of rap, best rapper of all time, and all that other bullshit. whenever i talk to these camel jockeys they always use sales as the reason why he's better than other mcs. but when pac and big was alive, where was he? why wasn't he doing big numbers? why wasn't he going plat like they was? why did he have to wait until big & pac left until he blew up?

you even had boring ass nawse going multi-plat in 96 when rap was at its most competitive. how can this cat be named the greatest when he had to wait for the two biggest names to die before he got on?

if you think about it ... 2pac was already on the scene a few albums deep before jayz dropped his first record ... Tupac was already the man ... so was nas by time jayz dropped nas was on his second album coming off a street classic ... and another advantage nas, tupac & biggie had over jayz during that time everyone was signed to a major situation except for jayz .... jayz had an indy deal with priority which would be = to someone getting a deal in 2012 with Red or E1 ... jay had no chance to do big numbers with Reasonable Doubt ... the marketing, promotion & distribution wasnt even there even if he could move those kind of units with his 1st album ....

usmarin3

Same reason why Nas, Redman,etc didn't blow up. Last time i check Reasonable Doubt went gold quicker than Illmatic, Dare is a Darkside,etc.

Wild Self

Too much competition. Way too tough for him to prosper in that era. Jay had to go up against BIG, Pac, Nas, Ghostface, Redman, Fugees. It was just insane on how many albums at that time were dropping and getting attention.

usmarin3

Ya'll got to remember Pac was signed to big labels back then, Jay was signed to Payday records back then. It wasn't until he went to Def Jam that he got the push.

DR. JEK

Nigga just wasn't as good as the other 2 AND STILL AIN'T BETTER!

ShencotheMC

This thread again? Must be that time of year again on the IC

NikeAirMax

DR. JEK wrote: »

Nigga just wasn't as good as the other 2 AND STILL AIN'T BETTER!

Agree with this 100% based on catalouge and content

I Am Jay Pee

He is a Overachiever close thread

Elzo69Revolutions

Maybe because during those days, Jay was seen as another run of the mill rapper w no originality bringing nothing into the game i

Jamaica

Cats act like Jay was totally unknown nobody in 96. Jay's popularity was similar to where ASAP Rocky is right now. He wasn't as big as Big, Pac, Wu, Bone Thugs, Fugees, Nas, Busta, Redman etc. But he was known.

usmarin3

A better question would be, why was Jay able to outlast all those niggas that were so call ahead of him. Longevity >

IceBergTaylor

Nigga said Jay was like ASAP Rocky
wack thread.

Jamaica

$pyda wrote: »

Nigga said Jay was like ASAP Rocky
wack thread.

reading is fundamental

a_list

yo first off dude wasnt even a signed rapper for most of the time that big and pac were around.....in 96 he had a gold album just like ghostface, gza, mobb deep etc....I kno this shyt it trying to slight jay but why do we only ask this about jay....y didnt masta p blow up with big and pac around why didnt Jarule blow up with big and pac around? see where this can go?

IceBergTaylor

Jamaica wrote: »

$pyda wrote: »

Nigga said Jay was like ASAP Rocky
wack thread.

reading is fundamental

I read that right.
You said Jay's popularity was like ASAP Rocky's popularity.
Thus you are saying Jay was like him at that time.

No need to try to act like I didnt comprehend what you said. I did and it was stupid as fuck.

ohhhla

Why didn't Pac blow when he first came out?

And B.I.G. too?

All artists go thru that.

Black_Samson

cause niggas wasnt fucking with that speedknot shit... jay was stuck between era's during that time frame.... nigga was still rocking a gumby with a rope chain and rapping like treach when them niggas hit...

MorganFreemanKing

tomorrow is Ether Day, huh?

usmarin3

a_list wrote: »

yo first off dude wasnt even a signed rapper for most of the time that big and pac were around.....in 96 he had a gold album just like ghostface, gza, mobb deep etc....I kno this shyt it trying to slight jay but why do we only ask this about jay....y didnt masta p blow up with big and pac around why didnt Jarule blow up with big and pac around? see where this can go?

Is this logic?