Freedom or stability?

RodrigueZz

Inspired by the recent discussion of introducing new firearm legislation in the United States following the Connecticut school shooting.

Some people think the way to resolve these problems is to increase government involvement. Add more legislation, put more effort into regulating the people. What this ultimately leads to is less freedom. Do you think the ends justifies the means?

Another example: myself and several other posters on this forum think that the government should be more involved in parenting so that youth can be ensured good lives and their minds can develop properly. This would mean people would not be allowed to raise their kids whichever way they want.

I personally do not even think everyone should be allowed to reproduce. There should be some sort of government run/organized citizen review that has to take place before someone can be deemed fit or unfit for parenting/reproduction. Of course this too would mean less freedom, more rules, and more rights being taken away.


Do you think that increasing government involvement is the proper way to deal with these issues?

jono

You know what? Your absolutely right. Let's dissolve the government...FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

memphis10

I'd rather have freedom and struggle than have stability without freedom.

Stopitfive

Freedom... Government sanctioned stability is an illusion...

RodrigueZz

Stopitfive wrote: »

Freedom... Government sanctioned stability is an illusion...

care to elaborate?

China has government involvement coming out the wazoo and the country has proven to be quite stable, at least from an economic perspective.

CC_Poncho

There are two sides to China. It all looks sweet on the coast, but them rice farmers inland still makin a dollar a day. Wait till them muffuckas get wind that they're actually poor, theres gonna be some shit behind that.

Ted Bundy

I Don't see why not.. The masses already march to the tune of the drum.. Might as well add a few more patterns to the mix.. The Ppl won't revolt.. They'll just flood youtube, Facebook and twitter with misinformation and paranoia..at the end of the day, the American Ppl will conform to anything the government has to offer.. We are a docile, lazy society and are lucky our government isn't as nefarious as conspiracy theorists would have one believe

RodrigueZz

You can't get it both ways. People want less shootings, less violence, less drugs. This all means more government, more laws, and less freedom.

So which one do you want. Pick your poison.

Ted Bundy

RodrigueZz wrote: »

You can't get it both ways. People want less shootings, less violence, less drugs. This all means more government, more laws, and less freedom.

So which one do you want. Pick your poison.

Exactly.. Personally, I don't mind government doing what's necessary to ensure the quality of life for it's citizens are held to a high standard.. Hell, it's their job to lead.. Thats why elections are held in the first place.

Gold_Certificate

Depends on what you mean by "freedom".

usmarin3

Just get rid of assault riffles, why does anyone need a 50 cal, AR15,etc.

RodrigueZz

Gold_Certificate wrote: »

Depends on what you mean by "freedom".

The ability to act without fear of government sanctions; being able to live how one chooses; little to no restriction on one's behavior.

blakfyahking

usmarin3 wrote: »

Just get rid of assault riffles, why does anyone need a 50 cal, AR15,etc.

someone please define "assault" rifle............

RodrigueZz

blakfyahking wrote: »

usmarin3 wrote: »

Just get rid of assault riffles, why does anyone need a 50 cal, AR15,etc.

someone please define "assault" rifle............

A rifle composed entirely of Sodium Chloride

.IRS.

RodrigueZz wrote: »

The ability to act without fear of government sanctions; being able to live how one chooses; little to no restriction on one's behavior.

If the people do not govern themselves, they will be governed. It will not matter what the people want, the less control people exhibit within themselves, the more control will be exerted on them. It's a long line of decline, imo we're a point of no return, things are only going to get worse until something breaks.

Gold_Certificate

RodrigueZz wrote: »

Gold_Certificate wrote: »

Depends on what you mean by "freedom".

The ability to act without fear of government sanctions; being able to live how one chooses; little to no restriction on one's behavior.

So I can kill attractive females without repercussions?

jono

"Freedom" is one of those buzzwords that is chucked around a lot and doesn't mean a damn thing. Its just a word that makes people FEEL like either they have it great or things can always be better. In reality, everybody wants government, life without it wouldn't be a life worth living.


People of The Enlightenment already concerned themselves with this question and they chose stability and then created a Government. What that Government does should be dictated by the People, it'll definitely effect someone but that's just how it is.

usmarin3

blakfyahking wrote: »

usmarin3 wrote: »

Just get rid of assault riffles, why does anyone need a 50 cal, AR15,etc.

someone please define "assault" rifle............

A weapon that requires cartridges or semiautomatic/automatic. Why the fuck does anyone need a automatic weapon, what war is any American gonna fight that they need to disperse that many rounds.

usmarin3

All these mass killings have been a result of assault weapons.

RodrigueZz

.IRS. wrote: »

RodrigueZz wrote: »

The ability to act without fear of government sanctions; being able to live how one chooses; little to no restriction on one's behavior.

If the people do not govern themselves, they will be governed. It will not matter what the people want, the less control people exhibit within themselves, the more control will be exerted on them. It's a long line of decline, imo we're a point of no return, things are only going to get worse until something breaks.

So i take it you are in favor of more government involvement?

Idunno why but i always thought you were more of a libertarian kinda person

jono

usmarin3 wrote: »

All these mass killings have been a result of assault weapons.

I agree with your premise but I don't think assault weapons have been the cause of all the carnage.

RodrigueZz

Gold_Certificate wrote: »

RodrigueZz wrote: »

Gold_Certificate wrote: »

Depends on what you mean by "freedom".

The ability to act without fear of government sanctions; being able to live how one chooses; little to no restriction on one's behavior.

So I can kill attractive females without repercussions?

Is that how much freedom you think you should be granted?

RodrigueZz

jono wrote: »

"Freedom" is one of those buzzwords that is chucked around a lot and doesn't mean a damn thing. Its just a word that makes people FEEL like either they have it great or things can always be better. In reality, everybody wants government, life without it wouldn't be a life worth living.


People of The Enlightenment already concerned themselves with this question and they chose stability and then created a Government. What that Government does should be dictated by the People, it'll definitely effect someone but that's just how it is.

Freedom has a meaning. It means to be free; unrestricted; exempt from outside coercion etc.

High Revolutionary

Government is like one of those old things where people feel like because it has always been there is no way people could survive without it.

jono

RodrigueZz wrote: »

jono wrote: »

"Freedom" is one of those buzzwords that is chucked around a lot and doesn't mean a damn thing. Its just a word that makes people FEEL like either they have it great or things can always be better. In reality, everybody wants government, life without it wouldn't be a life worth living.


People of The Enlightenment already concerned themselves with this question and they chose stability and then created a Government. What that Government does should be dictated by the People, it'll definitely effect someone but that's just how it is.

Freedom has a meaning. It means to be free; unrestricted; exempt from outside coercion etc.

That's a definition.

Ted Bundy

usmarin3 wrote: »

blakfyahking wrote: »

usmarin3 wrote: »

Just get rid of assault riffles, why does anyone need a 50 cal, AR15,etc.

someone please define "assault" rifle............

A weapon that requires cartridges or semiautomatic/automatic. Why the fuck does anyone need a automatic weapon, what war is any American gonna fight that they need to disperse that many rounds.

take away heavy metal and watch the rise of explosives used to kill in large amounts..a killer is gonna kill with any tool at their disposal.. You can strip all forms of firearms from the masses and a killer will still kill.. Murders are born, not made..