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Doggystyle is way better than Illmatic

PervisPervis Posts: 338 ✭✭✭
I always hear Illmatic being hailed as the "the best album ever", "the bible of rap," or an album that's in a league of its own. I've never agreed with this at all. While it is a great album, there's a bunch of albums from that era that are as good, if not superior to Illmatic.

Doggystyle is one of those albums. Although its lyrics aren't as advanced as those on Illmatic , there's no denying that when it comes to production, replay value and number of classic tracks, Doggystyle crushes it. Illmatic is obviously a classic too, but the crucial point here is that it's a weaker classic than Doggystyle and just cannot compete with it as an overall album.

Lets not be afraid to be honest....shit just bumps way more than Illmatic.

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  • Lab BabyLab Baby Parts Unknown via BrooklynPosts: 8,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2012
    Musically, yeah. But Nas never needed help to write his rhymes, was more diverse... and The World Is Yours>>>>>>>>

    Great points though... Doggystyle is hard to beat.
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  • The RecipeThe Recipe Posts: 10,559 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Haven't heard Doggystyle as an adult, may go back and revisit it.
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  • IceBergTaylorIceBergTaylor The Spectacular Posts: 19,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This thread can get interesting. For the record Doggystyle is one of my top 5 favorite albums.
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  • genocidecuttergenocidecutter Posts: 17,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    YapatnaJB wrote: »
    U should of threw a poll up for this fam

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  • usmarin3usmarin3 Posts: 38,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Chronic = goat album
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  • PervisPervis Posts: 338 ✭✭✭
    YapatnaJB wrote: »
    U should of threw a poll up for this fam

    Damn, you right. I wish I had now.



    Lab Baby wrote: »
    Musically, yeah. But Nas never needed help to write his rhymes, was more diverse... and The World Is Yours>>>>>>>>

    Great points though... Doggystyle is hard to beat.



    I love The World Is Yours. "I need a new ni99a, for this black cloud to follow/Cause while it's over me it's too dark 2 see tomorrow" is one of my favorite lines ever from any album. Illmatic is as an undisputed classic. But if you put lllmatic's 9 songs up against Doggystyle's 13 songs and analyze everything, I think it's a lot closer than some people would care to acknowledge.
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  • MuhannadMuhannad Posts: 3,007 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Apples and oranges and besides that it's been 18 years since these joints were released. What's the sense of making this thread. If you wanted to make a more realistic comparison you could have compared Illmatic with OB4CL IMHO.
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  • the best 1the best 1 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭✭
    LOL... bruh there's a lot of albums that are better than Illmatic.

    Doggystyle, The Chronic, Amerikkka's Most Wanted, Nations of Millions ect.....

    All those albums are better than Illmatic.
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  • madisonstbullymadisonstbully Posts: 66 ✭✭
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  • KeepinItHundredKeepinItHundred Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭
    wouldn't even compare them. illmatic is a pure hip hop album. compare doggystyle with ready to die
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  • Built 4 cuban linxBuilt 4 cuban linx Only Christopher I acknowledge is Wallace At the 36th chamberPosts: 12,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't say way better but I wouldn't argue on it being better. Depends on the mood I'm in honestly
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  • twentyfivelighterstwentyfivelighters 'Sippi LandPosts: 4,758 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't say way better but I wouldn't argue on it being better. Depends on the mood I'm in honestly

    Same here. Doggystyle is a classic but these two albums are quite different...
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  • sullysully Posts: 4,953 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muhannad X wrote: »
    Apples and oranges and besides that it's been 18 years since these joints were released. What's the sense of making this thread. If you wanted to make a more realistic comparison you could have compared Illmatic with OB4CL IMHO.

    Gotta agree with you on OB4CL.

    Conceptually, musically, thematically, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx was a better album. Illmatic would be the better lyrical album, but I think having a more fluid overall story and theme on an album necessitates trading off lyrical wittiness. That's not to say that Raekwon and Ghost didn't bring it on another level when it comes to lyrics.

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  • soulbrothersoulbrother LORD WRECKA Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    sully wrote: »
    Muhannad X wrote: »
    Apples and oranges and besides that it's been 18 years since these joints were released. What's the sense of making this thread. If you wanted to make a more realistic comparison you could have compared Illmatic with OB4CL IMHO.

    Gotta agree with you on OB4CL.

    Conceptually, musically, thematically, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx was a better album. Illmatic would be the better lyrical album, but I think having a more fluid overall story and theme on an album necessitates trading off lyrical wittiness. That's not to say that Raekwon and Ghost didn't bring it on another level when it comes to lyrics.

    not to mention NAS had the dopest verse on OB4CL....
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  • Billy_PonchoBilly_Poncho Vox Populi Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can't really think of any album that's way better than Illmatic
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  • aladdin1978aladdin1978 Poo Poo Jenkins- pronounced Pow POW West coastin'Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭✭✭
    trolling even on christmas I see.
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  • Davis eyebrowDavis eyebrow Posts: 518 ✭✭✭✭
    Doggystyle is overrated as fuck. Ass music
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  • nohiphop1nohiphop1 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭✭
    Well put. I concur. Poll not needed, for the point needed to be made.

    Illamtic wasn't even receive as it is today then when it was released. it later became a bandwagon opion that many would just go with.
    Illmatic is just lyrics, it's not too musically ill. Doggystle may not had lyrics on Nas, but many dope lyrics on there.
    Hip Hop is no poem, if so we wouldn't need the music with it.
    Doggystyle gave incredibility dope music and rap at the time.

    To be honest, other than being hailed as a classic illmatic is so dated, Doggystyle is still musically fresh, as if it's current music.

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  • yeah i rap so don't yeah i rap so don't Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2012
    Snoop had ghostwriters on Doggystyle and Illmatic is still far superior to it lyrically. Illmatic is better to me, but there is no such thing as an objective greatest album. I call troll thread here.
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