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It's crazy how Jay's the only NY rapper that never fell off

PervisPervis Posts: 338 ✭✭✭
edited December 2012 in The Reason
Even though I'm not a fan, I have to admire Jay's longevity. i can't think of a single ny rapper from the 90's that was really able to stand the test of time like Jay has. There's no shame in falling off; nothing lasts forever. But everyone else that came up in Hov's era fell off. Jay has stayed relevant and still selling a lot of records after 16 YEARS in the game. Damn. All the other NY dudes eventually drowned. Are there any rappers from the 90's that was really able to stand the test of time like Jay has? i can't think of any.

nas - can't even get a gold certification now. last album that went plat was streets disciple. that came out nearly a decade ago. fell off.
50 cent - irrelevant since 2007. singles flopped. so did his dvds, games, clothes, sneakers, and whatever the fuck else he tries to sell. threw everything at ross and had ZERO effect. lost multiples beefs and battles to artists such as d-block, game, fat joe and now even ross. fell off hard. no-one really cares anymore.
ja rule - fell off even harder. aint been the same since 04 after NY turned their backs on him when he needed support. now in jail.
jadakiss - one of my fav rappers but his sales declined. 3 albums in 10 years? smarten up kiss
dmx - in his prime (98-99) X was easily as good as jay n nas. the crack ruined a great talent. fell off.
camron another 1 of my fav rappers but aint sold shit since crime pays. fell off.
busta rhymes - aint been relevant shit since touch it. fell off.
ghost and raekwon - aint really relevant. they might release good music but their sales are poor.
mobb deep - big mobb fan but they fell off too.

i know theres many more but i'll leave it there. i guess i just have to give jay his credit. no one else done it as big for as long. his business acumen is unrivalled.

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  • a_lista_list Posts: 4,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    anti-ny thread.... this should be good!
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    I known to start whylin back in New York, my soldiers got the cash pilin
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    so much drama, who the fuck knows who we got beef wit
  • MrCrookedLetterMrCrookedLetter Unless You Play Smart, Follow Your Mind Also Your Heart, The Perfect Balance Posts: 22,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This will be funny

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  • spit_fiyaspit_fiya Posts: 2,524 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's what happens when you have so many dickriders
  • The_ManThe_Man Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    fuck record sales its the talent that counts, and jays main talent lately is jumping on kanyes back getting an easy ride, jay is one of the greatest but lately it seems like his main focus is making money and sucking your presidents dick while kanye makes the hits.
  • usmarin3usmarin3 Posts: 38,002 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How is Jay jumping on Ye's back when Jay is a bigger artist sales wise. If anything Jay stuck his neck out for Ye when the world was shitting on Ye for Taylor Swift.
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  • usmarin3usmarin3 Posts: 38,002 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol at AG being five years ago, but Yall count BP3 against him . Selective haters
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  • qtipp73qtipp73 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭✭✭
    niggas mad cuz good NY rappers still care about lyrics over club bullshit music. yall can have all that lean wit it type garbage. I will take lyrics and NY sounding production over that shit anytime.
  • The_ManThe_Man Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So yall gon act like Jay wasn't spitting on WTT

    yeah jay did good on that album im just in a bad mood lol

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  • usmarin3usmarin3 Posts: 38,002 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The reason why jay has been more successful than them washed 90s niggas is because he switched up hid sound and never limited himself to dusty boom nap back packers. Niggas likeNas marginalized their audience and pigeonholed themselves. That's why when Nas makes singles with Chris Brown, Kerry Hilson,etc itdoesnt work.
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  • Already Home_17Already Home_17 Posts: 14,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    usmarin3 wrote: »
    How is Jay jumping on Ye's back when Jay is a bigger artist sales wise. If anything Jay stuck his neck out for Ye when the world was shitting on Ye for Taylor Swift.

    Jay has gone stale music wise thats why he needs kanye, would the blueprint be a classic if kanye, just blaze, and bink wasnt involved? fuck no, jay is a public relations tool for your president these days, dressing up in tuxidos going to gay functions just to help the rich get richer.

  • Reggie80Reggie80 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah jay did ok but Jay one of the best so he ain't gone never put out no complete garbage(except blueprint 3)but you figure them 2 putting out a album it should of been some of the best shit I ever heard and it's not even considered a classic album.
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    You can be the hottest MC, literally leave the mic smoking
    No marketing and promotion
    No 106 & Park, no TRL
    Don't kill the messenger homey but don't expect to sell
    Viacom own MTV, VH1
    BET, five labels until BMG
    Merged with Sony, EMI, Universal and WEA
    Only four labels in the music industry bruh
    All radio controlled by two companies
    Just two rap magazines, read between the lines
    Hip-hop used to be the expression of struggle with rhymes
    Corporate monopolized, only certain shit shines
    Only way to get radio and video and blow
    They control what you say, and the images you show
    CNN owned by AOL, own Time Warner
    Trickle down effect of the New World Order
    And you wonder why "Van Gogh" was killed
    Same reason Dead Prez lost they deal, get real
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    And put Capitol Records in missionary positions
    Used to love H.E.R. like Common, but then you get signed
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    When I read the publication
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    Backpackers, rap stars with bullshit gimmicks
    Fans, even the "Stans," the groupies and label executives
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  • NoCompetitionNoCompetition Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He was smart enough to understand how the music "business" operates. And as far as still goin strong out there still on the radio and still widely heard by the people, he's the man. I aint stupid or lame enough to be a region hatin loser, just true.Those other Ny rappers aint heard. Unless you wanna search hard. But he is actually still popular.
  • genocidecuttergenocidecutter Posts: 17,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Popularity wise-no
    Gives us back images in sigs
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