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Does "race" exist in modern humans????

bambubambu *Earth & Water*Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 2013 in R & R (Religion and Race)
A lot of supporters of the theory of evolution claim that:

DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other.
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/minorities.shtml

Shout out to @Oceanic.....

However, new research shows:

“There are clear differences between people of different continental ancestries,” said Marcus W. Feldman, a professor of biological sciences at Stanford University. “It’s not there yet for things like I.Q., but I can see it coming. And it has the potential to spark a new era of racism if we do not start explaining it better.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/us/11dna.html?pagewanted=all

Does "race" exist in modern humans???? 13 votes

Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
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Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
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  • BodhiBodhi Posts: 7,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    1st of all, the first article and the second article are both from the same year, only seperated by a few months in publishing time, yet you're trying to pass the second article off as "new research".

    Secondly, I'll quote from the NY times article you provided:
    The authority that DNA has earned through its use in freeing falsely convicted inmates, preventing disease and reconstructing family ties leads people to wrongly elevate genetics over other explanations for differences between groups.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/us/11dna.html?pagewanted=all

    Thirdly, this quote from the first article:
    People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other;
    answers this from the second:
    There are clear differences between people of different continental ancestries,” said Marcus W. Feldman

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  • Gold_CertificateGold_Certificate Posts: 13,228 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depends on how you define "race".

    Races exist under the classical phenotypical definitions:
    "A great division of mankind, characterized as a group by the sharing of a certain combination of features, which have been derived from their common descent, and constitute a vague physical background, usually more or less obscured by individual variations, and realized best in a composite picture."
    a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

    Not so much under the more modern genotypical definitions:
    "A subspecies (race) is a distinct evolutionary lineage within a species. This definition requires that a subspecies be genetically differentiated due to barriers to genetic exchange that have persisted for long periods of time; that is, the subspecies must have historical continuity in addition to current genetic differentiation."
    an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group
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  • Melanin_Enriched Melanin_Enriched Your favorite basketball-american gentleman Posts: 22,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Race don't mean shit b. Get a whole bunch of asians, blacks, and whites and let them mate and see how race don't mean shit.
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  • 700700 Praying 5 times a day to catch a plug Plap City, FLAPosts: 14,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    so basically you sayin race exists
    KingJamal wrote: »
    @b00kie do u have any Boosie stories u can tell?

    b00kie wrote: »
    KingJamal wrote: »
    @b00kie do u have any Boosie stories u can tell?
    haha He cool man, I wasn't in the streets but

    He was always lil, like 5'3. But a big mouth, couple times nigga had to square up. At the football game he took that stick the drum major had and cracked a nigga over the head w it and broke the stick

    Nigga was cold on the bball court though, I didn't get that starting spot until he stopped coming to school. School let out at 3 we had to stay till the games at 6 so he used to just rap about whatever people talkin about passng time.

    Then he started hanging w C-Loc and them, rappin/hustling whatever, rarely came to school anymore. When he did he would just be Polo down.... come, counting stacks $ at recess, everybody lookin.

    OH and biology class blunt fell out his ear and the teacher tried to grab it. He twist that lady arm grabbed the blunt off the floor n left. lol
    Far from a groupie...but a Boosie story

    Nga was in the club and I was out and about in another state..I was doing business there and decide to step out...and heard dude was going to be at the club on the radio...Now I don't know dude like that..but again my patnas know dude...I goes to the club..dude has his own section in the club..him and his crew and a few women...I walk up to the area and he comes over and he like you be in B.R. and you be wit such and such and I was like yea..he like mayne what you doing out here..I told him.. he was like..mayne you family come on in V.I.P. and get what you want..you want this..you want that..i was like nah..nga handed me a bottle and told me just to take it...again I don't know dude like that to be gettin a bottle..but the love he showed..I see why ngas love this nga down here so much...so I was leaving the club after he performed..nga was like you good you need bread..you need money on a room..and I was like shocked the nga even reached out like that..and I was like nah.. Nga didn't care who you were..if he fucks wit you..he fucks wit you..that's why alot cats fuck wit the lil nga...




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  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    kai_valya wrote: »
    individual variation still trumps ethnic variation. yes there are some differences amongst different ethnicities, but those differences are not qualitative enough to meet the standard for different races and they do not remain steady across historic lineages. race has a definition in biology, humans don't meet the criteria to be classified as different races simple as that
    Vaas wrote: »
    Race don't mean shit b. Get a whole bunch of asians, blacks, and whites and let them mate and see how race don't mean shit.

    Until you start cracking genetic structures that control shit like the ability to sweat and resistance to certain diseases....


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  • Melanin_Enriched Melanin_Enriched Your favorite basketball-american gentleman Posts: 22,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this nigga is the connexx of question marks.
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  • Melanin_Enriched Melanin_Enriched Your favorite basketball-american gentleman Posts: 22,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Plap Star wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    so basically you sayin race exists

    That's like saying santa clause is real
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  • 700700 Praying 5 times a day to catch a plug Plap City, FLAPosts: 14,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vaas wrote: »
    Plap Star wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    so basically you sayin race exists

    That's like saying santa clause is real

    but race is real tho

    even if its a societal construct its still real
    KingJamal wrote: »
    @b00kie do u have any Boosie stories u can tell?

    b00kie wrote: »
    KingJamal wrote: »
    @b00kie do u have any Boosie stories u can tell?
    haha He cool man, I wasn't in the streets but

    He was always lil, like 5'3. But a big mouth, couple times nigga had to square up. At the football game he took that stick the drum major had and cracked a nigga over the head w it and broke the stick

    Nigga was cold on the bball court though, I didn't get that starting spot until he stopped coming to school. School let out at 3 we had to stay till the games at 6 so he used to just rap about whatever people talkin about passng time.

    Then he started hanging w C-Loc and them, rappin/hustling whatever, rarely came to school anymore. When he did he would just be Polo down.... come, counting stacks $ at recess, everybody lookin.

    OH and biology class blunt fell out his ear and the teacher tried to grab it. He twist that lady arm grabbed the blunt off the floor n left. lol
    Far from a groupie...but a Boosie story

    Nga was in the club and I was out and about in another state..I was doing business there and decide to step out...and heard dude was going to be at the club on the radio...Now I don't know dude like that..but again my patnas know dude...I goes to the club..dude has his own section in the club..him and his crew and a few women...I walk up to the area and he comes over and he like you be in B.R. and you be wit such and such and I was like yea..he like mayne what you doing out here..I told him.. he was like..mayne you family come on in V.I.P. and get what you want..you want this..you want that..i was like nah..nga handed me a bottle and told me just to take it...again I don't know dude like that to be gettin a bottle..but the love he showed..I see why ngas love this nga down here so much...so I was leaving the club after he performed..nga was like you good you need bread..you need money on a room..and I was like shocked the nga even reached out like that..and I was like nah.. Nga didn't care who you were..if he fucks wit you..he fucks wit you..that's why alot cats fuck wit the lil nga...




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  • PurrPurr Evil Chuck Season. Jumpman jumpman Jumpman dat girl up to something!!!Posts: 32,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    Closed thread
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  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    lechic wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    Closed thread

    FALSE INFORMATION......

    When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical.

    But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins.

    Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases.


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  • BiblicalAtheist BiblicalAtheist Prude FieldsPosts: 15,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sense a move on the rise.
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  • ohhhlaohhhla Posts: 10,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    bambu wrote: »
    lechic wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    Closed thread

    FALSE INFORMATION......

    When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical.

    But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins.

    Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases.

    So, what??
    UnderMiSensibambu
  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    .IRS. wrote: »
    I sense a move on the rise.

    @IRS.

    I know this will get moved.....

    Just wanted some more opinions or facts outside the R&R.......

    What do you think??????

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  • VIBEVIBE Posts: 54,094 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bamboohoo will wack all posts he doesn't agree with.
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  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    ohhhla wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    lechic wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    Closed thread

    FALSE INFORMATION......

    When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical.

    But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins.

    Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases.

    So, what??

    So humans can be classified as various races......

    What?????

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  • Melanin_Enriched Melanin_Enriched Your favorite basketball-american gentleman Posts: 22,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds just like an adaptation to the environment due to isolated mating.
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  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    VIBE wrote: »
    Bamboohoo will wack all posts he doesn't agree with.

    @VIBE......

    You seem like an intelligent fellow.....

    Surely you can add something more constructive "ether this thread"......

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  • VIBEVIBE Posts: 54,094 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thread has been answered.
    KaiBodhibambu
  • BiblicalAtheist BiblicalAtheist Prude FieldsPosts: 15,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
    bambu wrote: »
    .IRS. wrote: »
    I sense a move on the rise.

    @IRS.

    I know this will get moved.....

    Just wanted some more opinions or facts outside the R&R.......

    What do you think??????

    I think I don't know.
    bambu
  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    kai_valya wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    lechic wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    Closed thread

    FALSE INFORMATION......

    When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical.

    But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins.

    Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases.

    which part of ethnic variation does not rise to the level of qualitative differentiation necessary to be different races do you not understand?

    yes there are some differences, but they are superficial at best. if these differences are not qualitative and/or not quantitative enough, as well as not being present along historical lineages, it is not a different race, period.

    a biological term's meaning does not change just cuz we apply it to human beings. current human beings are a subspecies themselves, we are subspecies sapien of the species homo sapien. homo sapiens had other subspecies, homo sapien idaltu for example. bees have different races, our subspecies does not


    O.K.......

    I guess things like the ability to sweat and resistance to disease are "superficial" these days......

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  • UnderMiSensiUnderMiSensi Posts: 955 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would add my input on how race is a societal construct used by the elites to instigate conflict while garnering the natural resources scot-free , but this thread has been ethered into oblivion before I could get a shot in.
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