Does "race" exist in modern humans????

bambubambu *Earth & Water*Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 2013 in R & R (Religion and Race)
A lot of supporters of the theory of evolution claim that:

DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other.
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/minorities.shtml

Shout out to @Oceanic.....

However, new research shows:

“There are clear differences between people of different continental ancestries,” said Marcus W. Feldman, a professor of biological sciences at Stanford University. “It’s not there yet for things like I.Q., but I can see it coming. And it has the potential to spark a new era of racism if we do not start explaining it better.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/us/11dna.html?pagewanted=all

Does "race" exist in modern humans????

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  • BodhiBodhi Posts: 7,637 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    1st of all, the first article and the second article are both from the same year, only seperated by a few months in publishing time, yet you're trying to pass the second article off as "new research".

    Secondly, I'll quote from the NY times article you provided:
    The authority that DNA has earned through its use in freeing falsely convicted inmates, preventing disease and reconstructing family ties leads people to wrongly elevate genetics over other explanations for differences between groups.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/us/11dna.html?pagewanted=all

    Thirdly, this quote from the first article:
    People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other;
    answers this from the second:
    There are clear differences between people of different continental ancestries,” said Marcus W. Feldman

    @Black_Samson
    /thread
    Kaibambu
  • Gold_CertificateGold_Certificate Posts: 13,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depends on how you define "race".

    Races exist under the classical phenotypical definitions:
    "A great division of mankind, characterized as a group by the sharing of a certain combination of features, which have been derived from their common descent, and constitute a vague physical background, usually more or less obscured by individual variations, and realized best in a composite picture."
    a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits

    Not so much under the more modern genotypical definitions:
    "A subspecies (race) is a distinct evolutionary lineage within a species. This definition requires that a subspecies be genetically differentiated due to barriers to genetic exchange that have persisted for long periods of time; that is, the subspecies must have historical continuity in addition to current genetic differentiation."
    an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group
    unspoken_respectbambuMeta_Conscious
  • Melanin_Enriched Melanin_Enriched You're favorite melanin enriched gentleman Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Race don't mean shit b. Get a whole bunch of asians, blacks, and whites and let them mate and see how race don't mean shit.
    BodhibambuCashmoneyDux
  • 700700 I been chasing this dream so long, chasing it, I'm chasing it, told myself that I gotta stay strong Plap City, FLAPosts: 10,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    so basically you sayin race exists
    soul rattler
  • ohhhlaohhhla Posts: 10,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    Whiteband Asian are just mutation of us
    UnderMiSensi
  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    kai_valya wrote: »
    individual variation still trumps ethnic variation. yes there are some differences amongst different ethnicities, but those differences are not qualitative enough to meet the standard for different races and they do not remain steady across historic lineages. race has a definition in biology, humans don't meet the criteria to be classified as different races simple as that
    Vaas wrote: »
    Race don't mean shit b. Get a whole bunch of asians, blacks, and whites and let them mate and see how race don't mean shit.

    Until you start cracking genetic structures that control shit like the ability to sweat and resistance to certain diseases....

    Jabu_Rule
  • Melanin_Enriched Melanin_Enriched You're favorite melanin enriched gentleman Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this nigga is the connexx of question marks.
    Kai
  • Melanin_Enriched Melanin_Enriched You're favorite melanin enriched gentleman Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Plap Star wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    so basically you sayin race exists

    That's like saying santa clause is real
  • 700700 I been chasing this dream so long, chasing it, I'm chasing it, told myself that I gotta stay strong Plap City, FLAPosts: 10,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vaas wrote: »
    Plap Star wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    so basically you sayin race exists

    That's like saying santa clause is real

    but race is real tho

    even if its a societal construct its still real
    kingblaze84zombie
  • Charlie_Charlie_ ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡ love & peace ♡Posts: 28,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    Closed thread
    bambuCashmoneyDux
  • ohhhlaohhhla Posts: 10,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    No it isn't.

    If so, it should apply tonother animals, not to humans only
    bambu
  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    lechic wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    Closed thread

    FALSE INFORMATION......

    When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical.

    But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins.

    Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases.

    Charlie_Jabu_RuleSixSickSinswaterproof
  • BiblicalAtheist BiblicalAtheist Prude OutskirtsPosts: 11,517 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sense a move on the rise.
    BodhibambuAjackson17
  • ohhhlaohhhla Posts: 10,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    bambu wrote: »
    lechic wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    Closed thread

    FALSE INFORMATION......

    When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical.

    But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins.

    Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases.

    So, what??
    UnderMiSensibambu
  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    .IRS. wrote: »
    I sense a move on the rise.

    @IRS.

    I know this will get moved.....

    Just wanted some more opinions or facts outside the R&R.......

    What do you think??????
    Jabu_Rule
  • VIBEVIBE The Man, The Myth, The Fommie Posts: 41,326 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bamboohoo will wack all posts he doesn't agree with.
    bambuKaiDoctopianBodhiUnderMiSensiCashmoneyDux
  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    ohhhla wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    lechic wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    Closed thread

    FALSE INFORMATION......

    When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical.

    But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins.

    Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases.

    So, what??

    So humans can be classified as various races......

    What?????
    KaiJabu_Rule
  • Melanin_Enriched Melanin_Enriched You're favorite melanin enriched gentleman Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds just like an adaptation to the environment due to isolated mating.
  • KaiKai evil nerd bitch from hell Posts: 21,483 Regulator
    bambu wrote: »
    lechic wrote: »
    No there is no such thing as race in the biological or anthropological sense. Race is a societal construct.

    Closed thread

    FALSE INFORMATION......

    When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical.

    But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins.

    Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases.

    which part of ethnic variation does not rise to the level of qualitative differentiation necessary to be different races do you not understand?

    yes there are some differences, but they are superficial at best. if these differences are not qualitative and/or not quantitative enough, as well as not being present along historical lineages, it is not a different race, period.

    a biological term's meaning does not change just cuz we apply it to human beings. current human beings are a subspecies themselves, we are subspecies sapien of the species homo sapien. homo sapiens had other subspecies, homo sapien idaltu for example. bees have different races, our subspecies does not


    bambuUnderMiSensiCashmoneyDux
  • bambubambu *Earth & Water* Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    VIBE wrote: »
    Bamboohoo will wack all posts he doesn't agree with.

    @VIBE......

    You seem like an intelligent fellow.....

    Surely you can add something more constructive "ether this thread"......
    BodhiUnderMiSensiJabu_RuleMr.LVVIBE
  • VIBEVIBE The Man, The Myth, The Fommie Posts: 41,326 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thread has been answered.
    KaiBodhibambu
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