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Looking back at RZA's comments on the South

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  • StillFaggyAFStillFaggyAF Queer LGBT CommunityPosts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Monizzle14 wrote: »
    KingJamal wrote: »
    New York The northeast region has more covert racism than anything

    Just cuz it ain't overt don't mean it ain't there

    fixed for accuracy....you right on tho ive lived in new england my whole life and have seen some of the most ignorant racism in the area. From where i live in CT to boston (where my dad moved to when he was 7) all the way down to new york city and state.

    Now the best thing about racism up north is when you point em out and they get embarassed the liberal media eithers them. My bro and I have both been called niggers because we were smoking these rick kids on the ice hockey rink. In my brothers case kids got suspended for games and had to hand write apology letters and shit. One kid even cried lmao. Then you had the whole bruins game when the brotha joel ward scored. again 2 kids at my school sent to tweet and were shook after it was on the local news.

    My dad in boston and his bro had hella incidents outside of boston. Some whtie kid a college a few years ago was dropping the n word behind closed doors about 2 black female friends i knew i knocked on the door brought the girl up and asked him to repeat what he was saying lil white boy was shook as fuck.

    up here ive learned not to fight these racists you gotta mind fuck with them and call em out and let the public know waht they be sayin cause then they get scared and break down.

    c/s, everywhere is racist

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  • zombiezombie Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    memphis10 wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    When my lil cuz moved down south they skipped him two grades. The south has always been backward. Nyc has always been forward thinking. Showing pics of buildings means you miss the point. In nyc you can walk down the block and hear ten or more different languages. In the south every body is the same and the land you do own is not valued as much as what nyc people own. Because the south overall is worth less.

    Really bruh? So if I miss the point by showing corporate buildings, if you removed all of the corporate buildings out of NYC wouldn't it just be rural land, like the land you just said was worthless? To be honst I don't care to hear 10 diff languages. On the same street. I grad in HS in Memphis. School was 80% black, prob 10% spanish and another 10% African and Asian. Them ppl have to live somewhere in the city right? I like bein wit my ppl my nig. Imagine. Owning your own land being worthless. This ain't swamp land bruh. Nigga, it's you that's got a slave mentality lol.

    Unless someone wants to buy your land or you produce something that someone wants to buy with your land it is generally considered of lower value. In terms of culture if an area has a diverse population it will be Culturally vibrant. If everyone is the same it is not. There is no slave thinking here. I am black but not american after living here for more than ten years. Living all over this nation I deem the south to be the most backward section of america.

    Niggas from the south tend to be more ignorant because you do not experience other black folk.
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  • LUClENLUClEN Absence makes the heart grow fonder of someone else Posts: 20,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    PK_TK_187 wrote: »
    zombie dumb as fuck.
    more land=less value on said land.

    I am doubtful. While supply definitely affects price location is probably a bigger factor.
    The rapper from linkin park would body the dudes in the xxxtentacion cypher
  • zombiezombie Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭✭
    memphis10 wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    memphis10 wrote: »
    zombie wrote: »
    When my lil cuz moved down south they skipped him two grades. The south has always been backward. Nyc has always been forward thinking. Showing pics of buildings means you miss the point. In nyc you can walk down the block and hear ten or more different languages. In the south every body is the same and the land you do own is not valued as much as what nyc people own. Because the south overall is worth less.

    Really bruh? So if I miss the point by showing corporate buildings, if you removed all of the corporate buildings out of NYC wouldn't it just be rural land, like the land you just said was worthless? To be honst I don't care to hear 10 diff languages. On the same street. I grad in HS in Memphis. School was 80% black, prob 10% spanish and another 10% African and Asian. Them ppl have to live somewhere in the city right? I like bein wit my ppl my nig. Imagine. Owning your own land being worthless. This ain't swamp land bruh. Nigga, it's you that's got a slave mentality lol.

    Unless someone wants to buy your land or you produce something that someone wants to buy with your land it is generally considered of lower value. In terms of culture if an area has a diverse population it will be Culturally vibrant. If everyone is the same it is not. There is no slave thinking here. I am black but not american after living here for more than ten years. Living all over this nation I deem the south to be the most backward section of america.

    Niggas from the south tend to be more ignorant because you do not experience other black folk.

    So your land only holds that value if someone else wants to buy it? it doesnt matter if you build a business on the land worth more than the land itself, or sell it to your city gov for 3x what you paid for it? It don't matter if you get land fertile enough to feed your entire family and sell the other fruits and vegetables for crazy profit? It doesn't matter to you if you have land that attracts deer that you can hunt and feed your family without out going to the grocery store? It doesn't matter if this land feeds cattle that you can sell for much more than you ever paid for the land or the cattle? Bruh we are OWNERS in the south. You don't have an owner's mentality. You have a worker's mentality. So you too caught up on other ppl validating your worth. also what makes you think only black people live where there is mostlyl sunny climate, beautiful women and beaches? you foolish bruh. You can respond a thousand times but I don't really don't fuck wit niggas who got a mind state like you. I'm done. No more responses.

    I don't work. I own serveral houses that I rent to others. Your whole slave mentality talk is bullshit to me. If you build all those things on it then you increase the value of it. But that does not mean that your land will be worth more than even one apartment across from central park nyc. The worth of a business is often times not linked to the land it is on. I also never said anything about the climate so I don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

    Look nigga new york is the empire state and nyc is a world class city for a reason.
    blackgod813
  • Reggie80Reggie80 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    you niggas in here arguin about land
    a nigga that can't say the word "sword" without pronouncing the fuckin W got yall arguin about land


    Bitch shut your mouth before I fuck it

    I'm still a rap fan, microphone fiend
    An insider like Russell Crowe, behind the scenes
    You can be the hottest MC, literally leave the mic smoking
    No marketing and promotion
    No 106 & Park, no TRL
    Don't kill the messenger homey but don't expect to sell
    Viacom own MTV, VH1
    BET, five labels until BMG
    Merged with Sony, EMI, Universal and WEA
    Only four labels in the music industry bruh
    All radio controlled by two companies
    Just two rap magazines, read between the lines
    Hip-hop used to be the expression of struggle with rhymes
    Corporate monopolized, only certain shit shines
    Only way to get radio and video and blow
    They control what you say, and the images you show
    CNN owned by AOL, own Time Warner
    Trickle down effect of the New World Order
    And you wonder why "Van Gogh" was killed
    Same reason Dead Prez lost they deal, get real
    I spit for the cabbage, grind with a mission
    And put Capitol Records in missionary positions
    Used to love H.E.R. like Common, but then you get signed
    (Behind the Music) now I just fuck the music from behind

    Magazine writers misprint you, take words out of context
    And got the nerve to wonder why I'm vexed
    When I read the publication
    I was like "Damn, was we in the same conversation?"
    This for the rap conniseurs, magazine critics
    Backpackers, rap stars with bullshit gimmicks
    Fans, even the "Stans," the groupies and label executives
    With corporate cards trickin my budget on coochie
    Video chicks sucking dick between takes
    Hoping to get saved, and thanks for the ass shake
    Like Dave Chappelle in "Half Baked," need a backyotomy
    And some of these thugs is into sodomy
    Large print giveth, fine print taketh away
    Your favorite rapper ain't recoup label take it away
    Have a nigga tempted to take an AK, goin postal
    Rap made me loco, hustle bicoastal
    (Why?) Because the West monopolize
    Same ol' niggas tellin the same ol' lies
    L.A. radio, quick to suck out of town dick
    South support they own create international hits
    Out of regional records, East coast create the buzz
    Music capitol of the world, thought it wasn't when it was
    And somehow manage to screw us
    Call West coast gangster rap whack, then sold it back to us...
    memphis10
  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt STREET MILITARY till Infinity !!!! Posts: 10,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yall got different style out there and lingo it may take alot to impress certain crowds. mad crazy lyrical shit but in the end yall all sound like Busta Rymes I know dang well thats not what your tryna do!
    Then you got real talented mcs not being recognized I know dang well they aint simple but they keep it on point and have a more universal sound! I know yall got your set opinions but it sucks cuz I done learned shit from Southern mcs comin up!
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  • poindexter2poindexter2 Posts: 4,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Right to work laws and miseducation ruined the south
    Especially down here in fl.
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  • mosincrediblemosincredible Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    The only people that have such a blind outlook on the south haven't been down here. That's all I got to say. Everyone I meet from up north tells me the same thing, "I had no idea it would be like this". They come down here, fall in love with the people, the weather, and overall cost of living, and have no intentions of returning up north. In fact, they try to get other family members and friends to do the same. Maybe I'm just speaking for Texas, but that's what it is here.
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  • NoCompetitionNoCompetition Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The South definitely aint perfect. But people wanna move South way more than move North. The reason is the South is generally a more enjoyable place to live. Look how angry these north people stay. And they stay mad at the South. The North tends to have better laws for workers. The South has warm, sun, friendly people, nature, scenery.....keeps you in a good mood. I been up north a lot and know from personal experience. But dont get me wrong no hate for Northerners. I dont care.
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  • Wild SelfWild Self Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    KingJamal wrote: »
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    On some real shit, RZA spoke the truth. Hip hop is a reflection of the environment, as he explained. East coast, particularly NYC is so lyrically inclined cuz of the big city living and the artistic renaissances taking place there. The west is more culturally and economically diverse, so musically it's more eclectic. The south is smaller community wise, and more solid on old time tradition, so the music is bound to be a little simpler, but more solid musically. The negative effects of our communities have adverse effects on our lyrics as well. The crack era got NY stuck on grimey, the gang culture in Cali got them on that level, and so forth. Same with the south, economically it's a shithole, and a lot of people there are stuck in the 50s anyway. So of course that's gonna reflect on the lyrics and the music.

    RZA did not speak the truth becuz like @Already Home_17 already said brothas dropping out and not getting there proper education is a nationwide problem NOT a just a South problem. As if a bunch of Poindexter's are walking around NY all day

    NYC is so lyrically inclined cuz of the big city living and the artistic renaissances taking place there

    I really don't wanna turn this thread into sum who got the best lyrics type of shit. But NY has its share of booty juice rappers.

    economically it's a shithole

    Yea cuz the entire country besides the South is having an enormous economic BOOM right?
    people there are stuck in the 50s anyway

    people there are stuck in the 50s anyway

    Really now lol

    Tell anyone that knows anything about hip hop to make a top 5 lyricist list. I bet you 3 out of 5 minimum would be from NY, or they're trolling.

    Yeah, the whole country's in a mess right now, but the poverty rate is still the highest in the south.

    The point is, not dissing the people in these areas, but pointing out the environment. NYC has more access to culture and money than any city in the south. Fact. Some people take advantage of it, some don't. Trust me, there's a lot of dumb ass niggas out here too, and some of the most intelligent people I've ever met came from the south. But the reality is we have more opportunities to expand our minds. Word to Waka Flocka not wanting to hear "dictionary rap".

    "Dictionary rap" is something that is a generational thing. Look at them old school southern artists that are mad lyrical (Outkast, Scarface, UGK). RZA fucked up on not being specific enough and being precise enough on a controversial topic like that, and even a slight miscommunication of that can get people in a lot more trouble than it is suppose to be.
    OGClarenceBoddicker
  • Wild SelfWild Self Posts: 4,226 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When on the mainstream level, hip hop has finally perished and has gone the way of jazz and the white folks have finished infiltrating it, corporately AND artistically, maybe then you dumb fucks will looks back and realize how stupid regionalism in a musical/cultural artform is.

    Sure we got differences, we can learn a lot from each other as well.

    Living like the 50's?! Word?

    Man what a load of dumbfuckery.

    Black folk need to get off the regional shit and stop being caricatures of their environment and start being individuals with individual interest.
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  • hiphop12345hiphop12345 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    memphis10 wrote: »
    I think ppl like the RZA have this preconceived notion that all of the south looks like this with these kinds of people

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    when really we live like this in the south

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    alot of us own our own land that has been passed down, own houses, own cars etc. there are black owned colleges. so for all the dumb dumb shit they say about southerners, somebody let us know that it wasnt dumb to own your own land and live off of it. compared to renting brownstones or apartments in a crammed in area, ridin trains all the time and the like.

    yes there are country ass dumb toothless backwoods niggas and rednecks, but I guarantee you that us that live in the south look at them ppl the same way anybody else do lol. he brought up alot of good pointsm, but he painted a picture like only dumb niggas were here while glossing over the fact that some of the most intelligent and influential ppl in history are from the south.


    Those are some ugly ass simple skylines. Also you hardly rent a Brownstone, if you do it's because you have Bread these days. Brownstones are homes not apt buildings. Also during this recession the value of Brownstones didn't really take a hit. Prices stop skyrocketing in some areas but they didn't lose value like most of the country homes.

    Black collages I think are dated to be honest. That's a whole different topic but yea, dated.


    Also trains isn't a knock on a city, it's a plus. Can you name one major city beside L.A that doesn't have a legit mass transit system? Mass transit is actually a sign of how major a city is.
    zombie
  • hiphop12345hiphop12345 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    Vaas wrote: »
    Niggas acting like the south beach front condos ain't shitting on ny condos.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kymmcnicholas/2010/08/30/ten-most-expensive-apartments-for-sale/


    Nine out of 10 of the most expensive luxury apartments (co-ops and condos) publicly listed in the United States are located in New York.

    The only one on the West Coast is the newly constructed 20,000 square-foot penthouse atop the 5-star St. Regis Hotel in San Francisco.

    It’s the largest newly constructed condo on the market in the world.

    It’s listed for $49 million.

    So, it’s the least amount per square foot (Approx. $2,865 per square foot), than any of the other apartments in the top ten based on the available data.

    The most expensive publicly listed apartment on the market is located in New York.

    The $60 million East 77th Street property is about 10,000 square feet (Approx. $6,123 per square foot).



    Just shit on your thesis....
    Not to mention South Beach is about as southern as Puerto Rico. Also NYC is about to have a major restoration/new building of it's cost lines which is the largest of any U.S city and one of the largest in the the world. I always thought NYC neglected it's coast.

    I love what the south is doing though, and I wish New Orleans would rise again. A true American gem.
    zombierip.dilla
  • a_lista_list Posts: 4,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seems like Rza watched some shyt like To kill a Mockingbird and drew that conclusion.....Like them cats drop out of school to go to work in the fields.....Alot of these post seem to show that a lot of people go by stereo types and what they see on tv...lol...same shyt that white folks do then pass judgement on us, we do to ourselves.....When has nyc only been Manhattan and why do some people feel that its still 1940 down south?..lol
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    14 years old, shorty from round way
    brick ass cold, still pump from night to day
    but why did my life have to be this way
    I rock Velour suits, flavors like mixed fruits
    my loot get recouped razors in my suit
    incase they try to troop me to the island
    I known to start whylin back in New York, my soldiers got the cash pilin
    peep this on some nose and teef shit
    so much drama, who the fuck knows who we got beef wit
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  • hiphop12345hiphop12345 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
    a_list wrote: »
    Seems like Rza watched some shyt like To kill a Mockingbird and drew that conclusion.....Like them cats drop out of school to go to work in the fields.....Alot of these post seem to show that a lot of people go by stereo types and what they see on tv...lol...same shyt that white folks do then pass judgement on us, we do to ourselves.....When has nyc only been Manhattan and why do some people feel that its still 1940 down south?..lol
    Brooklyn is the hottest real estate in the world right now. It's like a city within a city. Rza lived in the south.
  • blackrainblackrain Posts: 27,205 Regulator
    The problem isn't when NY'ers talk about other cities, it's when they make it seem like NYC doesn't have the same problems as other cities...as many NY'ers I seen no the IC complain about racist foreigners for years, now the south got a racism problem that NY don't? In terms of education, any city that has/had a social promotion program where you pass niggas just for having a birthday can't say shit about another city's education problems
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  • Meta_ConsciousMeta_Conscious Hypocrite The BashmentPosts: 26,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    we really gonna deny the education gap between the Norf and Souf?
    and the racism shit is always funny... many southern areas r stuck in the 60s... cutthebullshit
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