Can someone tell me about malcolm X and MLK deaths

Max.

I was watching the movie ALi and malcom x(mario van pebbles) is in the movie..n it made me think how 2 popular african american people were killed..

Why they were killed?
Who did it? Was behind it...


Videos? Short articles...

And yes lil loca u can drop some shit as long as u dont try n start a revoloution.

icecoldstew

No no one can tell you cause no one here was there much less alive.


In b4 the conspiracy theories.

Max.

icecoldstew wrote: »

No no one can tell you cause no one here was there much less alive.


In b4 the conspiracy theories.

Thats what i was also thinking.
N i didnt mean a poster had to be alive back than just have more knowledge about it...n school they didnt really teach us...

Lou Cypher

Too black.. Too Strong..

playmaker88

Seriously.... all the shit is out there.. Talmadge Ayer the only cat that got arrested in the shooting of Malcom.. coulda been from the inside coulda came from upto.. who knows ..

MLK.. James Earl Ray blah blah blah

point is it doesnt matter who killed them...

what killed them was their cause, and their power


In before the annual pitting of Malcom Vs MLK as if its some trivial rap battle ...and as if they werent fighting the same war on two front.. if not this thread.. the next one.. carry on.

jayvon32

Better to read these books

Reinvention of Malcolm X - Marable Manning

Orders to Kill - William Pepper

Start with those books and come up with your own conclusion

DROSAIN_BOLT

GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

WHY

CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED

Max.

DROSODAMFUNNY wrote: »

GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

WHY

CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED

Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

Gold_Certificate

They both got shot. The end.

DROSAIN_BOLT

Max. wrote: »

DROSODAMFUNNY wrote: »

GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

WHY

CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED

Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

CAUSE... THE NOI WAS ALL ABOUT BLACK THIS BLACK THAT... WHITES AS A WHOLE ARE EVIL.. ALL OF THAT..

MALCOM WENT TO EGYPT AND PRAYED, ATE, SLEPT, (NH) WITH MUSLIM OF ALL COLOR.. BLACK WHITE BROWN...AND WHEN HE CAME BACK TO AMERICA, HE HAD A CHANGE OF HEART ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF THE NATION...

AND NOT TO MENTION THAT E. MUHAMAD WHO GETTIN RANDOM CHICKS PREGANT... SHIT BROKE HIS HEAR CAUSE HE LOOKED UP TO DUDE

struggle_cat

Max. wrote: »

DROSODAMFUNNY wrote: »

GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

WHY

CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED

Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

Muhammad regretted his last dealings with Malcolm. He is quoted as saying he cried when he heard Malcolm was killed. You can find the quote online, I can't be bothered to find it at the moment.

Max.

tabatha_ wrote: »

Max. wrote: »

DROSODAMFUNNY wrote: »

GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

WHY

CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED

Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

Muhammad regretted his last dealings with Malcolm. He is quoted as saying he cried when he heard Malcolm was killed. You can find the quote online, I can't be bothered to find it at the moment.

What was the dealings wit x? Dis he think he turned his back on the nation?

DROSAIN_BOLT

Max. wrote: »

tabatha_ wrote: »

Max. wrote: »

DROSODAMFUNNY wrote: »

GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

WHY

CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED

Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

Muhammad regretted his last dealings with Malcolm. He is quoted as saying he cried when he heard Malcolm was killed. You can find the quote online, I can't be bothered to find it at the moment.

What was the dealings wit x? Dis he think he turned his back on the nation?

MUHAMMAD WAS THE LEADER OF THE NOI.. AND MALCOM WAS HIS UNDERSTUDY BASICALLY

Lil Loca

There is speculation that the CIA and FBI was in on it. .

The role of US intelligence was to prevent Black militancy from spreading and eliminate any dissenting groups back in the day. One of their main goals was to prevent the rise of the "Black Messiah" as said in FBI files and both were on constant surveillance. In the late 50s, NYPD supposedly tried to shoot up his office. Both he and MLK were a major focus for J. Edgar Hoover's COINTELPRO operation. Personally, I think that they were both were killed by US agents and their deaths were covered up.

Malcolm X: FBI Files is a pretty good book.

Max.

DROSODAMFUNNY wrote: »

Max. wrote: »

tabatha_ wrote: »

Max. wrote: »

DROSODAMFUNNY wrote: »

GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

WHY

CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED

Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

Muhammad regretted his last dealings with Malcolm. He is quoted as saying he cried when he heard Malcolm was killed. You can find the quote online, I can't be bothered to find it at the moment.

What was the dealings wit x? Dis he think he turned his back on the nation?

MUHAMMAD WAS THE LEADER OF THE NOI.. AND MALCOM WAS HIS UNDERSTUDY BASICALLY

I thought she meant ali you know in the movie malcolm n x are talking he wants him to come to africa..than joe smiley tell malcolm that ali wont be going with him n that he was banned from the nation.

Than when malcolm n ali talk n ali walks away mad..than after malcolm is killed.

jayvon32

Reason why they was assassinated had reason to do with during the times before their death their message was becoming less and less solely about black civil liberties and rights and more about the struggle of the less fortunate in whole against a corrupt power structure. Plus powers to be knew sooner or later Malcolm X and MLK Jr would come together after Malcolm got kicked out of NOI.

The same tactics they used against NOI and Malcolm X they used against the Black Panthers effectively

NOI dealings with Malcolm X was a combination of power and greed. Malcolm X if Muhammed passed poised a threat to those living a comfortable life in NOI. So he had to go, plus with him becoming friendly with leaders in African countries and forming a international unit was threatening to the FBI under J Edgar Hoover. NYPD also wanted him gone due to him having influence over the black people in the ghettos (as seen in that famous scene in Malcolm X by Spike lee) so it was a combination of common interest that did him in.

MLK Jr started speaking out against the war and making his protest more of a human issue instead of solely a black issue. He was starting a front to protest, Vietnam war, wealth disparity and class oppression (same a bobby kennedy) that scared the hell out of government leaders, so he had to go

struggle_cat

DROSODAMFUNNY wrote: »

Max. wrote: »

tabatha_ wrote: »

Max. wrote: »

DROSODAMFUNNY wrote: »

GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

WHY

CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED

Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

Muhammad regretted his last dealings with Malcolm. He is quoted as saying he cried when he heard Malcolm was killed. You can find the quote online, I can't be bothered to find it at the moment.

What was the dealings wit x? Dis he think he turned his back on the nation?

MUHAMMAD WAS THE LEADER OF THE NOI.. AND MALCOM WAS HIS UNDERSTUDY BASICALLY

He said Muhammad Ali not Elijah Muhammad.

@max. Here's a bit about Ali on Malcolm.
alhittin.com/2011/08/27/muhammad-ali-on-malcolm-x/

If you want to know more about these two men it's worth pursuing this off the IC. Their lives and achievements are fascinating.

Top Cat

X>>>> Muhammad

jayvon32

Listen to videos of Steve Cokely regarding MLK Jr

(Jump on soap box)

"Fuck Jessie Jackson"

(Jump off, fold box and walk out the door)

gem$tone

Quite interesting

jono

You want to know WHY they were killed? I have a bit of time and can give you a general overview.

Both X & MLK were coming from different ends but beginning to meet in the middle. As polar opposite figures, most people then & now have either saw themselves as followers of Malcolm...or followers of Martin.

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Malcolm was separatist but had extremely strong ties to the black community because he lobbied to meet force with force and not only that, he wasn't beholden to a political agenda or politcal party, he also didn't favor one economic system over another, so most of the criticism surrounding X was that he hated white folks & jews.

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MLK was in the total opposite direction. He spoke out on behalf of getting involved with politics (X did too but in a different way), he opposed communism (flatly, but his economic ideals would change..I'll get to that later), he was also a integrationist.

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These descriptions are when they were at the height of their popularity. As both began suffering some failures they started to become more centrist.

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After being booted from the NOI, Malcolm went on his pilgrimage. There he started to become acquainted with whites that shared his religion (now pure Islam) and he toned down his anti-white agenda. He was willing to accept white assistance but they couldn't join his new organization. Ironically, X (or El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz as he was known then) was notorious for saying that the Civil Rights Movement had been infiltrated by White Liberals and that the white folks really organized and did all the things King got credit for. He still wanted centralized unity for Black folks, but came to realize that we have to learn to live together with White folks.
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After Martin failed to de-segregate Housing in Chicago he became more radical. He began speaking out against the War in Vietnam, criticizing LBJ (his buddy), and favoring a more socialist economic agenda (one that X also leaned toward). Although Martin was still the favorite among white folks in America his star was diminishing because he believed in economic justice.

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Now they started to share a lot of ideas. Mutually criticizing both parties, empowering Blacks economically and socially through family and religion. The differences between them started to shrink a bit (not a helluva lot but enough).

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Then Malcolm got shot by members of the NOI. Who ordered the murder and how they managed to execute it will forever be shrouded in mystery. The general feeling is that the FBI had infiltrated his organization and fed its weaknesses to the NOI. Martin was shot 3 years later in Memphis by James Earl Ray. It is also believed that his organization had also been compromised by the FBI but I'm not sure enough to say they had a hand in his death.
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Most biographies on either man won't tell the entire story, there's an ass-load of books and documentaries on both of them. The fact that J. Edgar Hoover (the extremely powerful FBI Director) had dossiers on both guys and that the FBI had reportedly threatened both guys (Malcolm in Africa and they attempted to blackmail Martin with photos and telephone records of his philandering) leads a lot of people to believe that the Feds had them both bumped off.

fortyacres&amule

One got killed by a shotgun on some gears of war shit , the other by a rifle on some call of duty shit

themadlionsfan

To add on to what's been posted the FBI infiltrated the noi and malcoms group....and they were leaking information to both sides to widen the rift

harry knucklez

One of Malcolm's own bodyguards, Gene Roberts, was an agent who administered CPR to him after he was shot which only made his chest wounds worse - and yes, that muthafucka knew exactly what the fuck he was doing. Malcolm's wife, who was a registered nurse, was kept away from the stage to get to her husband by none other than Gene's wife. SMH!

Max.

jono wrote: »

You want to know WHY they were killed? I have a bit of time and can give you a general overview.

Both X & MLK were coming from different ends but beginning to meet in the middle. As polar opposite figures, most people then & now have either saw themselves as followers of Malcolm...or followers of Martin.

.
Malcolm was separatist but had extremely strong ties to the black community because he lobbied to meet force with force and not only that, he wasn't beholden to a political agenda or politcal party, he also didn't favor one economic system over another, so most of the criticism surrounding X was that he hated white folks & jews.

.
MLK was in the total opposite direction. He spoke out on behalf of getting involved with politics (X did too but in a different way), he opposed communism (flatly, but his economic ideals would change..I'll get to that later), he was also a integrationist.

.
These descriptions are when they were at the height of their popularity. As both began suffering some failures they started to become more centrist.

.
After being booted from the NOI, Malcolm went on his pilgrimage. There he started to become acquainted with whites that shared his religion (now pure Islam) and he toned down his anti-white agenda. He was willing to accept white assistance but they couldn't join his new organization. Ironically, X (or El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz as he was known then) was notorious for saying that the Civil Rights Movement had been infiltrated by White Liberals and that the white folks really organized and did all the things King got credit for. He still wanted centralized unity for Black folks, but came to realize that we have to learn to live together with White folks.
.

After Martin failed to de-segregate Housing in Chicago he became more radical. He began speaking out against the War in Vietnam, criticizing LBJ (his buddy), and favoring a more socialist economic agenda (one that X also leaned toward). Although Martin was still the favorite among white folks in America his star was diminishing because he believed in economic justice.

.
Now they started to share a lot of ideas. Mutually criticizing both parties, empowering Blacks economically and socially through family and religion. The differences between them started to shrink a bit (not a helluva lot but enough).

.
Then Malcolm got shot by members of the NOI. Who ordered the murder and how they managed to execute it will forever be shrouded in mystery. The general feeling is that the FBI had infiltrated his organization and fed its weaknesses to the NOI. Martin was shot 3 years later in Memphis by James Earl Ray. It is also believed that his organization had also been compromised by the FBI but I'm not sure enough to say they had a hand in his death.
.
Most biographies on either man won't tell the entire story, there's an ass-load of books and documentaries on both of them. The fact that J. Edgar Hoover (the extremely powerful FBI Director) had dossiers on both guys and that the FBI had reportedly threatened both guys (Malcolm in Africa and they attempted to blackmail Martin with photos and telephone records of his philandering) leads a lot of people to believe that the Feds had them both bumped off.

Goat drop props

jono

harry knucklez wrote: »

One of Malcolm's own bodyguards, Gene Roberts, was an agent who administered CPR to him after he was shot which only made his chest wounds worse - and yes, that muthafucka knew exactly what the fuck he was doing. Malcolm's wife, who was a registered nurse, was kept away from the stage to get to her husband by none other than Gene's wife. SMH!

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If I remember correctly the Audobon Ballroom was across the street from a hospital as well. There were also police on the scene already and they only managed to catch one guy.