Can someone tell me about malcolm X and MLK deaths

Max.Max. The Best There Is, the Best There Was, the Best There Ever Will BePosts: 15,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
I was watching the movie ALi and malcom x(mario van pebbles) is in the movie..n it made me think how 2 popular african american people were killed..

Why they were killed?
Who did it? Was behind it...


Videos? Short articles...

And yes lil loca u can drop some shit as long as u dont try n start a revoloution.
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  • StewStew Posts: 31,903 Regulator
    edited January 2013
    No no one can tell you cause no one here was there much less alive.


    In b4 the conspiracy theories.
  • Max.Max. The Best There Is, the Best There Was, the Best There Ever Will Be Posts: 15,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No no one can tell you cause no one here was there much less alive.


    In b4 the conspiracy theories.

    Thats what i was also thinking.
    N i didnt mean a poster had to be alive back than just have more knowledge about it...n school they didnt really teach us...
  • jayvon32jayvon32 Posts: 606
    Better to read these books

    Reinvention of Malcolm X - Marable Manning

    Orders to Kill - William Pepper

    Start with those books and come up with your own conclusion
    Max.[Deleted User]ceothachosen1iron man1
  • ATL_DROATL_DRO IS SEXY CHOCOLATE, TASTE ME KATT! Posts: 10,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

    WHY

    CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

    AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

    MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

    THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED
    ThePayPalPimp.iron man1gns
  • Max.Max. The Best There Is, the Best There Was, the Best There Ever Will Be Posts: 15,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
    GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

    WHY

    CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

    AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

    MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

    THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED


    Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

    I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought
  • ATL_DROATL_DRO IS SEXY CHOCOLATE, TASTE ME KATT! Posts: 10,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Max. wrote: »
    GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

    WHY

    CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

    AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

    MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

    THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED


    Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

    I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

    CAUSE... THE NOI WAS ALL ABOUT BLACK THIS BLACK THAT... WHITES AS A WHOLE ARE EVIL.. ALL OF THAT..

    MALCOM WENT TO EGYPT AND PRAYED, ATE, SLEPT, (NH) WITH MUSLIM OF ALL COLOR.. BLACK WHITE BROWN...AND WHEN HE CAME BACK TO AMERICA, HE HAD A CHANGE OF HEART ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF THE NATION...

    AND NOT TO MENTION THAT E. MUHAMAD WHO GETTIN RANDOM CHICKS PREGANT... SHIT BROKE HIS HEAR CAUSE HE LOOKED UP TO DUDE
    CashmoneyDuxMzKBgns
  • Peeny_WallyPeeny_Wally Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Max. wrote: »
    GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

    WHY

    CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

    AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

    MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

    THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED


    Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

    I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

    Muhammad regretted his last dealings with Malcolm. He is quoted as saying he cried when he heard Malcolm was killed. You can find the quote online, I can't be bothered to find it at the moment.
    Young Stef
  • Max.Max. The Best There Is, the Best There Was, the Best There Ever Will Be Posts: 15,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
    tabatha_ wrote: »
    Max. wrote: »
    GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

    WHY

    CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

    AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

    MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

    THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED


    Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

    I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

    Muhammad regretted his last dealings with Malcolm. He is quoted as saying he cried when he heard Malcolm was killed. You can find the quote online, I can't be bothered to find it at the moment.

    What was the dealings wit x? Dis he think he turned his back on the nation?
  • ATL_DROATL_DRO IS SEXY CHOCOLATE, TASTE ME KATT! Posts: 10,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Max. wrote: »
    tabatha_ wrote: »
    Max. wrote: »
    GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

    WHY

    CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

    AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

    MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

    THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED


    Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

    I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

    Muhammad regretted his last dealings with Malcolm. He is quoted as saying he cried when he heard Malcolm was killed. You can find the quote online, I can't be bothered to find it at the moment.

    What was the dealings wit x? Dis he think he turned his back on the nation?

    MUHAMMAD WAS THE LEADER OF THE NOI.. AND MALCOM WAS HIS UNDERSTUDY BASICALLY
    Young Stef
  • Max.Max. The Best There Is, the Best There Was, the Best There Ever Will Be Posts: 15,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Max. wrote: »
    tabatha_ wrote: »
    Max. wrote: »
    GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

    WHY

    CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

    AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

    MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

    THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED


    Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

    I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

    Muhammad regretted his last dealings with Malcolm. He is quoted as saying he cried when he heard Malcolm was killed. You can find the quote online, I can't be bothered to find it at the moment.

    What was the dealings wit x? Dis he think he turned his back on the nation?

    MUHAMMAD WAS THE LEADER OF THE NOI.. AND MALCOM WAS HIS UNDERSTUDY BASICALLY

    I thought she meant ali you know in the movie malcolm n x are talking he wants him to come to africa..than joe smiley tell malcolm that ali wont be going with him n that he was banned from the nation.

    Than when malcolm n ali talk n ali walks away mad..than after malcolm is killed.
  • Peeny_WallyPeeny_Wally Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Max. wrote: »
    tabatha_ wrote: »
    Max. wrote: »
    GOVERMENT KILLED THEM..

    WHY

    CAUSE THEY WERE TOO POWERFUL....

    AMERICA FEARS ANY PERSON OF COLOR WITH THAT MUCH POWER...

    MARTIN WAS PEACE AND HE WAS STILL A THREAT...

    THE NATION HAD SOME OF THERE OWN TO KILL MALCOM, BUT THE GOVERMENT WAS INVOLVED


    Yeah i see they like banned/suspended malcolm from the nation...for what reason? N yeah the vibe i got was the nation had a hand in it ...

    I wonder what muhammad ali thinks/thought

    Muhammad regretted his last dealings with Malcolm. He is quoted as saying he cried when he heard Malcolm was killed. You can find the quote online, I can't be bothered to find it at the moment.

    What was the dealings wit x? Dis he think he turned his back on the nation?

    MUHAMMAD WAS THE LEADER OF THE NOI.. AND MALCOM WAS HIS UNDERSTUDY BASICALLY

    He said Muhammad Ali not Elijah Muhammad.

    @max. Here's a bit about Ali on Malcolm.
    alhittin.com/2011/08/27/muhammad-ali-on-malcolm-x/

    If you want to know more about these two men it's worth pursuing this off the IC. Their lives and achievements are fascinating.
    Max.Evilchuckgns
  • jayvon32jayvon32 Posts: 606
    Listen to videos of Steve Cokely regarding MLK Jr

    (Jump on soap box)

    "Fuck Jessie Jackson"

    (Jump off, fold box and walk out the door)
  • jonojono Posts: 14,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You want to know WHY they were killed? I have a bit of time and can give you a general overview.

    Both X & MLK were coming from different ends but beginning to meet in the middle. As polar opposite figures, most people then & now have either saw themselves as followers of Malcolm...or followers of Martin.

    .
    Malcolm was separatist but had extremely strong ties to the black community because he lobbied to meet force with force and not only that, he wasn't beholden to a political agenda or politcal party, he also didn't favor one economic system over another, so most of the criticism surrounding X was that he hated white folks & jews.

    .
    MLK was in the total opposite direction. He spoke out on behalf of getting involved with politics (X did too but in a different way), he opposed communism (flatly, but his economic ideals would change..I'll get to that later), he was also a integrationist.

    .
    These descriptions are when they were at the height of their popularity. As both began suffering some failures they started to become more centrist.

    .
    After being booted from the NOI, Malcolm went on his pilgrimage. There he started to become acquainted with whites that shared his religion (now pure Islam) and he toned down his anti-white agenda. He was willing to accept white assistance but they couldn't join his new organization. Ironically, X (or El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz as he was known then) was notorious for saying that the Civil Rights Movement had been infiltrated by White Liberals and that the white folks really organized and did all the things King got credit for. He still wanted centralized unity for Black folks, but came to realize that we have to learn to live together with White folks.
    .

    After Martin failed to de-segregate Housing in Chicago he became more radical. He began speaking out against the War in Vietnam, criticizing LBJ (his buddy), and favoring a more socialist economic agenda (one that X also leaned toward). Although Martin was still the favorite among white folks in America his star was diminishing because he believed in economic justice.

    .
    Now they started to share a lot of ideas. Mutually criticizing both parties, empowering Blacks economically and socially through family and religion. The differences between them started to shrink a bit (not a helluva lot but enough).

    .
    Then Malcolm got shot by members of the NOI. Who ordered the murder and how they managed to execute it will forever be shrouded in mystery. The general feeling is that the FBI had infiltrated his organization and fed its weaknesses to the NOI. Martin was shot 3 years later in Memphis by James Earl Ray. It is also believed that his organization had also been compromised by the FBI but I'm not sure enough to say they had a hand in his death.
    .
    Most biographies on either man won't tell the entire story, there's an ass-load of books and documentaries on both of them. The fact that J. Edgar Hoover (the extremely powerful FBI Director) had dossiers on both guys and that the FBI had reportedly threatened both guys (Malcolm in Africa and they attempted to blackmail Martin with photos and telephone records of his philandering) leads a lot of people to believe that the Feds had them both bumped off.


    Max.MzKBhueygns
  • fortyacres&amulefortyacres&amule Posts: 12,071 Regulator
    One got killed by a shotgun on some gears of war shit , the other by a rifle on some call of duty shit
    CashmoneyDuxgns
  • themadlionsfanthemadlionsfan Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To add on to what's been posted the FBI infiltrated the noi and malcoms group....and they were leaking information to both sides to widen the rift
    ceothachosen1
  • harry knucklezharry knucklez Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    One of Malcolm's own bodyguards, Gene Roberts, was an agent who administered CPR to him after he was shot which only made his chest wounds worse - and yes, that muthafucka knew exactly what the fuck he was doing. Malcolm's wife, who was a registered nurse, was kept away from the stage to get to her husband by none other than Gene's wife. SMH!
    ceothachosen1gns
  • Max.Max. The Best There Is, the Best There Was, the Best There Ever Will Be Posts: 15,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jono wrote: »
    You want to know WHY they were killed? I have a bit of time and can give you a general overview.

    Both X & MLK were coming from different ends but beginning to meet in the middle. As polar opposite figures, most people then & now have either saw themselves as followers of Malcolm...or followers of Martin.

    .
    Malcolm was separatist but had extremely strong ties to the black community because he lobbied to meet force with force and not only that, he wasn't beholden to a political agenda or politcal party, he also didn't favor one economic system over another, so most of the criticism surrounding X was that he hated white folks & jews.

    .
    MLK was in the total opposite direction. He spoke out on behalf of getting involved with politics (X did too but in a different way), he opposed communism (flatly, but his economic ideals would change..I'll get to that later), he was also a integrationist.

    .
    These descriptions are when they were at the height of their popularity. As both began suffering some failures they started to become more centrist.

    .
    After being booted from the NOI, Malcolm went on his pilgrimage. There he started to become acquainted with whites that shared his religion (now pure Islam) and he toned down his anti-white agenda. He was willing to accept white assistance but they couldn't join his new organization. Ironically, X (or El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz as he was known then) was notorious for saying that the Civil Rights Movement had been infiltrated by White Liberals and that the white folks really organized and did all the things King got credit for. He still wanted centralized unity for Black folks, but came to realize that we have to learn to live together with White folks.
    .

    After Martin failed to de-segregate Housing in Chicago he became more radical. He began speaking out against the War in Vietnam, criticizing LBJ (his buddy), and favoring a more socialist economic agenda (one that X also leaned toward). Although Martin was still the favorite among white folks in America his star was diminishing because he believed in economic justice.

    .
    Now they started to share a lot of ideas. Mutually criticizing both parties, empowering Blacks economically and socially through family and religion. The differences between them started to shrink a bit (not a helluva lot but enough).

    .
    Then Malcolm got shot by members of the NOI. Who ordered the murder and how they managed to execute it will forever be shrouded in mystery. The general feeling is that the FBI had infiltrated his organization and fed its weaknesses to the NOI. Martin was shot 3 years later in Memphis by James Earl Ray. It is also believed that his organization had also been compromised by the FBI but I'm not sure enough to say they had a hand in his death.
    .
    Most biographies on either man won't tell the entire story, there's an ass-load of books and documentaries on both of them. The fact that J. Edgar Hoover (the extremely powerful FBI Director) had dossiers on both guys and that the FBI had reportedly threatened both guys (Malcolm in Africa and they attempted to blackmail Martin with photos and telephone records of his philandering) leads a lot of people to believe that the Feds had them both bumped off.


    Goat drop props
  • jonojono Posts: 14,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One of Malcolm's own bodyguards, Gene Roberts, was an agent who administered CPR to him after he was shot which only made his chest wounds worse - and yes, that muthafucka knew exactly what the fuck he was doing. Malcolm's wife, who was a registered nurse, was kept away from the stage to get to her husband by none other than Gene's wife. SMH!

    .
    If I remember correctly the Audobon Ballroom was across the street from a hospital as well. There were also police on the scene already and they only managed to catch one guy.
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