At what point do you start dropping your Fav rappers down the list?

StewStew Im In My Permanent PRhymeWe run this spot like a Chinese sweatshopPosts: 35,890 Regulator
Aight so after the many comments of new JT and Jay song, the popular consensus is that Jay came "ok" "soft" "weak". This continues from the many people who felt the same about Blueprint 3 and Watch The Throne. I know many of us have Jay at least in the top 10, some as far as GOAT.

When if ever do you start to reconsider one of your fav rappers all time status? This thread isnt only about the Jigga man, its for your fav rappers that were once great/untouchable and now are putting out sub par quality. Speak on it.
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  • lamontbdclamontbdc Posts: 16,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Joe i do it all the time. At one point i had Jay in my top 5 now i'm not even sure where he ranks.

    I always had Pac number 1 til the Fix came out. After that I moved Scarface ahead of him. I've moved Nas up to number 3 on my list. I used to have Biggie 3 but i dropped him below Nas and cube. When Be dropped I put common pass redman bun B and Jay on my lists. i'm pretty sure I got Devin way higher on my lists that most.
  • Lab BabyLab Baby Posts: 7,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Man, I liked Jay's verse on that song, and I think he's gone soft as baby shit.

    Depends. My GOAT and favorite lists are different. My favorite lists changes all the time, depending on what I listen to throughout the day, but it's usually the same 3 on top (Red, Nas, Em). But my GOAT list refers to legacies. Nas and Jay are 1 and 2 on my GOAT list, no one can match the longevity and critical acclaim of those two.
  • NothingButTheTruthNothingButTheTruth Posts: 9,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    After they release a wack album and the guys further down on the list drop a good album, but of course it's hard to crack my list since discography and longevity are a big part... so they usually just end up replacing each other.

    Only people who disappear from the list are the ones who fall all the way off aka both lyrically and musically. Then I can't fuck with duns anymore. (JayZ's a good example of someone who's fallen off completely.)
  • nawledge_godnawledge_god IC Veterano Holmes Chiraq RefugeePosts: 3,444 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My Top 3 Rarely Changes

    Nas
    Cube
    Common
  • StewStew Im In My Permanent PRhyme We run this spot like a Chinese sweatshopPosts: 35,890 Regulator
    Good points.

    Think Pac is the only one that Ive moved in my top 5 and thats only cause Nas continued to drop heat. If I get another wack Jay album I think I will have to do some more. BP3 was the only album I hvnt purchased from anybody in my top 5.
    buttuh_b
  • lamontbdclamontbdc Posts: 16,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good points.

    Think Pac is the only one that Ive moved in my top 5 and thats only cause Nas continued to drop heat. If I get another wack Jay album I think I will have to do some more. BP3 was the only album I hvnt purchased from anybody in my top 5.

    Yea at some point i was like i love you Pac but Nas and Face still dropping dope shit I gotta slide you down

    Sometimes when i got back and listen to shit and think dam this is doper or wacker than i thought. And I change my mind again
    buttuh_b
  • Like WaterLike Water Boards don't hit back... Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    I dropped Jay down on my list after BP3. And he's going to keep dropping if he keeps putting out sub par shit. Em dropped outta my top 10 after I got older and realized that some of his shit wasn't as nice as I initially thought.

    Common and Black Thought both have a spot among my personal best when they didn't 5 years ago. I think Pac has been my only constant.
  • Meta_ConsciousMeta_Conscious Hypocrite The BashmentPosts: 26,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    when they fall off... or when other surpass them...
    I used to hold Redman and Krs in high esteem... their classics are still great but the quality of their music has been surpassed by quite a few artists...
  • CashmoneyDuxCashmoneyDux Posts: 5,215 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When they talk shit on twitter and don't release music.
  • P. TownP. Town Posts: 26,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is a certified Eminem stan asking this question?
    Stewtexasdaking88miamivice305
  • StewStew Im In My Permanent PRhyme We run this spot like a Chinese sweatshopPosts: 35,890 Regulator
    ptowndonte wrote: »
    Is a certified Eminem stan fan asking this question?

    Yes u gonna answer or what?
  • GSonIIGSonII Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
    Scarface and Cube can't hurt themselves with me they have done too much it would be like nitpicking to drop them for falling off when others can't possibly do what they have done.

    Pac is looking shaky to me the more I live. So, I guess my answer is I drop dudes when I start to see that they can easily be matched or surpassed.
  • P. TownP. Town Posts: 26,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ptowndonte wrote: »
    Is a certified Eminem stan fan asking this question?

    Yes u gonna answer or what?

    I wouldn't move a rapper down spots in my top list unless they release weak shit to the point it starts to balance out with the good shit.
  • Lou_CypherLou_Cypher One Cold Ass Honkey It's Cold, AlaskaPosts: 29,329 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Man my list changes almost daily. The only people that have a secure spot in my top 10, are Nas, Scarface, and Ice Cube. Even then they all shift to different numbers within that top 10. Cubes been sittin at 9 or 10 for the last few years with that I am The West joint, and the Raw Footage (I liked raw footage, about half of it. Didnt get much replay tho) and i wasnt a huge fan of I Am The West.
  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt Posts: 8,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My list is underground #1. K.B. Da Kidnappa & Pharoah of Street Military!
    2.K-Rino & Lil Flea of Street Military!
    3.S.P.C./S.U.C./Killa Klan
    southsil4lil
  • StewStew Im In My Permanent PRhyme We run this spot like a Chinese sweatshopPosts: 35,890 Regulator
    Ear2DaSt wrote: »
    My list is underground #1. K.B. Da Kidnappa & Pharoah of Street Military!
    2.K-Rino & Lil Flea of Street Military!
    3.S.P.C./S.U.C./Killa Klan

    What about Face and UGK?
  • blackrainblackrain Posts: 19,122 Regulator
    Depends on the consistency of the quality of their material or how I may feel about their music at a certain point. For instance I love Outkast and listened to their music on a regular basis, always have since I first heard the song "Southernplayalistic", but it was only in the past 2-3 years that Andre and Big Boi actually moved into becoming my favorite rappers the more I've gone back and listened to their music over and over again and connected with it in a different way than I did when I was younger.
    Stew
  • buttuh_bbuttuh_b Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm for me putting out wack music doesn't take away from past accomplishments. I'm also another person who always had Pac at 1 but had to move him down cause I felt Nas passed him. The only way someone like Jay moves down on my list is by other people putting out enough quality material to pass him.
  • StewStew Im In My Permanent PRhyme We run this spot like a Chinese sweatshopPosts: 35,890 Regulator
    blackrain wrote: »
    Depends on the consistency of the quality of their material or how I may feel about their music at a certain point. For instance I love Outkast and listened to their music on a regular basis, always have since I first heard the song "Southernplayalistic", but it was only in the past 2-3 years that Andre and Big Boi actually moved into becoming my favorite rappers the more I've gone back and listened to their music over and over again and connected with it in a different way than I did when I was younger.

    This happened to me a few years ago as well. I get asked all the time "Who are your fav rappers?" I say Outkast, then the rest of my shit. Their legacy as a group is already cemented imo. I feel the same about Pac cause he really cant mess up his career anymore RIP

    The rest of my fav solo acts outside of Biggie still put out albums so I hold these niggas to a high standard. No reason to be puttin out avg to below avg projects after this long. For the most part they all stay solid but it could change.
  • Its the Roy Jones syndrome.. U gotta know when to quit before you tarnish your legacy..
  • 32DaysOfInfiniti32DaysOfInfiniti Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When they start sucking... But I still got T.I. in my top 5. It's not like any new niggas better than he was.
    StoneColdMikey
  • Bcotton5Bcotton5 Posts: 44,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bcotton5 wrote: »
    Wayne the best forever! IANAHB2 Feb 19th!

  • StoneColdMikeyStoneColdMikey I am what the people need. MIKEYFORMOD CHITOWN THE BEST TOWNPosts: 24,087 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hov verse wasn't bad. it was good on there like I stated in the thread. and I guess Hov was spitting on WTT. Imo WTT made up for Bp3 and some of the features he been on since bp3 released been heat.
  • coolc31coolc31 Posts: 517
    My list really doesn't change besides 1 & 2. Hov is 1 and Nas is 2. If that changes, it's because I've been listening to their old shit. None of their new shit makes me change anything. To me, it would be like saying Mike isn't the GOAT because he played for the Wizards. You can't overlook what the dude did no matter how much you thought he should have stayed retired.
    miamivice305
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