Lets talk about Isreal (Jewish posters please holla)

heavyrelishheavyrelish Posts: 476 ✭✭✭
Im not choosing sides between Isreal and Iran or Muslim or Jew. Ive just been noticing thru out my whole life that when elections come around a big part of the game is the candidate pledging allegiance to Isreal. Im truly curious as to when this started and why exactly it is... I see that with Chuck Hagel going thru confirmation hearings today they keep bringing up his statements about Isreal caging Palestinians like animals. Jimmy Carter has basically been basterdized thru history for not condemning the Palestinians....
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  • Black_SamsonBlack_Samson I drive a fast car... Posts: 45,975 Regulator
    you talkin orthodox jews or non-orthodox jews...
    i find that the mentality you speak of is found in the orthodox jews more so than the hardline jews.
    fuck the orthodox jews...
    They know they full of shit whereas the others dont.
    kingquan wrote: »
    im choosing sides and itz not cuz i hate jews itz cuz i hate zionist and what the stand for look how they treat palestinians the min u bring it up they start talk bout a holcust but more african were killed during the slave trade but that doesnt matter cuz their just animals

    Ajackson17
  • ragerage Posts: 5,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You gotta respect Isreal's gangsta...regardless of their motives. They are not to be fucked with. Having said that the only way Isreal will ever truely prosper is with a two state solution. Palestine HAS to become a sovereign nation before Isreal can be taken seriously as a true first world nation. And I think it's going to happen in the next 5 years. The latest elections saw a large shift towards the center from the voters. I think the next election will bring a leader who is more concerned with that two state solution than Ben is.
    MarcusGarveyhuey
  • Cabana_Da_DonCabana_Da_Don Posts: 6,229 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It´s whatever now b.They got a lot of support they aint leaving any time soon.They pulled the boss move.
    kingblaze84
  • poindexter2poindexter2 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the small hats went from selling people fake antique clothing to fake bank notes. i could care less what happens to those con artist
  • Knives AmilliKnives Amilli Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Israelis are a bunch of hypocritical dicks but I can't blame them for the US being their bitch.
    kingblaze84
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Posts: 10,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    kingquan wrote: »
    im choosing sides and itz not cuz i hate jews itz cuz i hate zionist and what the stand for look how they treat palestinians the min u bring it up they start talk bout a holcust but more african were killed during the slave trade but that doesnt matter cuz their just animals

    Cosign, fuck Israel, the way they treat the Palestinians is crazy.....shame on Obama and the US govt for giving Israel cover every second when it is criticized in the United Nations. Is it any wonder why people in the Middle East hate America so much?
  • janklowjanklow god's lonely man. Posts: 6,225 Regulator
    Jimmy Carter has basically been basterdized thru history for not condemning the Palestinians....
    also for everything else, since Jimmy Carter kind of sucks in a general way
    heavyrelishCashmoneyDux
  • heavyrelishheavyrelish Posts: 476 ✭✭✭
    janklow wrote: »
    Jimmy Carter has basically been basterdized thru history for not condemning the Palestinians....
    also for everything else, since Jimmy Carter kind of sucks in a general way

    yeah but the relationship with arafa is what buried him. did u see how they ripped chuck hagel a new one? all uestions based on comments made about isreal...
  • janklowjanklow god's lonely man. Posts: 6,225 Regulator
    yeah but the relationship with arafa is what buried him. did u see how they ripped chuck hagel a new one? all uestions based on comments made about isreal...
    well, to be fair, that IS the primary concern people seem to have been espousing about Hagel

  • heavyrelishheavyrelish Posts: 476 ✭✭✭
    janklow wrote: »
    yeah but the relationship with arafa is what buried him. did u see how they ripped chuck hagel a new one? all uestions based on comments made about isreal...
    well, to be fair, that IS the primary concern people seem to have been espousing about Hagel

    yeah, and i dont feel that we should necessarily be naive about irans intentions and what have you. but it seems to me we shoot ourselves in the foot by going into every negotiation with them holding a preconcieved grudge in order to not upset isreal. i dont see the harm in granting them observer nation status in the UN.
  • Black_SamsonBlack_Samson I drive a fast car... Posts: 45,975 Regulator
    edited February 2013
    http://news.antiwar.com/2013/01/31/un-report-israel-must-withdraw-all-settlers-or-face-icc/
    The United Nations Human Rights Council said in a report issued Thursday that Israel is violating international law in the West Bank, that Israel “must immediately initiate a process of withdrawal of all settlers” from the West Bank and cease further settlement building “without preconditions.”

    The UNHRC report said that Israel’s settlement policies violate article 49 of the fourth Geneva convention, which prohibits the transfer of civilian populations to occupied territory. It says the settlements are “leading to a creeping annexation that prevents the establishment of a contiguous and viable Palestinian state and undermines the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination.”

    These conclusions, while perhaps shocking to some who believe Israelis have rights and Palestinians have none, are nothing new or special. These are conclusions that merely reiterate the long-standing international consensus that Israel’s policies towards the Palestinians and what remains of their land are criminal.

    What is important about this latest report, however, it the context in which it was issued. The Palestinians were successful two months ago in obtaining “non-member observer state” status at the United Nations. This may give them the jurisdiction they previously were denied for bringing Israel to the International Criminal Court (ICC).

    “The Rome statute establishes the international criminal court’s jurisdiction over the deportation or transfer, directly or indirectly, by the occupying power of parts of its own population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory,” said the UNHRC report .

    It added: “Ratification of the statute by Palestine may lead to accountability for gross violations of human rights law and serious violations of international humanitarian law and justice for victims.”

    Unity Dow, one of the UNHRC judges who contributed to the report, said in a statement: ”The magnitude of violations relating to Israel’s policies of dispossessions, evictions, demolitions and displacements from land shows the widespread nature of these breaches of human rights…The motivation behind violence and intimidation against the Palestinians and their properties is to drive the local populations away from their lands, allowing the settlements to expand.”

    Israel responded indignantly to the report, calling it “biased” and “counterproductive,” adding that any resolution to the Israel-Palestine conflict is through”direct negotiations” between the parties, a strategy that has operated under the direction of the fundamentally biased United States. The process has only resulted in more Israeli crimes and further subjugation and dispossession of Palestinians.

    The United States has opposed and attempted to block Palestine’s upgraded UN status at every step, primarily in an attempt to shield Israel from legal scrutiny of its actions which are considered criminal by virtually every expert of note on the subject. America enables Israel’s crimes as a matter of policy, and it doesn’t appear that is going to change if the Palestinians are successful in bringing their case to the ICC.
    kingblaze84
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Posts: 10,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Funny how America pretends to care about humans rights worldwide but doesn't even want Palestinians to have their own state. They say they do, but they don't even want Israel investigated for war crimes against the Palestinians. Embarassing......I've also noticed so far no Jewish posters have posted here.
    PlutarchCashmoneyDux
  • janklowjanklow god's lonely man. Posts: 6,225 Regulator
    Funny how America pretends to care about humans rights worldwide but doesn't even want Palestinians to have their own state.
    in fairness, i don't think that's America's official stance

  • And StepAnd Step Posts: 3,726 ✭✭✭
    janklow wrote: »
    in fairness, i don't think that's America's official stance

    Correct it is her unofficial stance, which is it's true stance out of the public.

    How's work?
  • Allah_U_AkbarAllah_U_Akbar Posts: 8,369 Regulator
    I've always wondered about this, too.

    Why is the United States so scared of Israel?

    If you say ANYTHING that might be interpreted as critical of Israel, you have to IMMEDIATELY apologize..

    ..Or get labeled an "anti-Semite".... Even if your criticism was 100% correct.

    Name one (1) other country that the United States cares about whether they offend or not.




















    I'll wait.




    kingblaze84CP203CashmoneyDuxKLICHE
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Posts: 10,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    janklow wrote: »
    Funny how America pretends to care about humans rights worldwide but doesn't even want Palestinians to have their own state.
    in fairness, i don't think that's America's official stance

    Please....what America says and what it is doing are two different things. It says Palestinians deserve a state but allow Israel to build settlements and steal land from any future Palestinian state. It tells Israel to stop doing it but keeps giving Israel the money needed to keep stealing more land. America is one of the biggest hypocrites in the world today.
    And Step
  • MuhannadMuhannad Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What some fail to realize is these Jews pay to get support. These lobby groups like AIPAC are paying politicians to influence domestic and foreign policy. These people know how to pool their money together and black people should learn that instead of doing all that complaining and begging...
    MarcusGarveykingblaze84UnderMiSensiCashmoneyDux
  • MarcusGarveyMarcusGarvey Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The dickriding has to stop, the political discourse within Israel itself would make Americans uncomfortable. Newspapers like Haaretz have no problem criticizing Netanyahu or the PLO.

    Maybe it's time to discuss a 1 state solution, one man/woman one vote.
  • MarcusGarveyMarcusGarvey Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Palestinians aren't innocent in this problem, they shoot themselves in the foot every chance they get, looking at you Hamas, if they had some better leaders maybe they'd have a state but that being said look the West Bank, they've been on their ps and qs and haven't gotten shit but settlements and walling off.
    Maybe The West Bank needs to join a confederation with Jordan if Palestinians there want some sovereignty. /rant over
  • janklowjanklow god's lonely man. Posts: 6,225 Regulator
    And Step wrote: »
    How's work?
    here we go getting creepy again
    Please....what America says and what it is doing are two different things. It says Palestinians deserve a state but allow Israel to build settlements and steal land from any future Palestinian state. It tells Israel to stop doing it but keeps giving Israel the money needed to keep stealing more land. America is one of the biggest hypocrites in the world today.
    not really countering what i posted

  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Posts: 10,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muhannad X wrote: »
    What some fail to realize is these Jews pay to get support. These lobby groups like AIPAC are paying politicians to influence domestic and foreign policy. These people know how to pool their money together and black people should learn that instead of doing all that complaining and begging...

    True, Black people could learn a lot from AIPAC....money is respected more then begging and complaining by far lol. We've gotten far in many ways but remain stagnant cuz we're so used to getting success basically by complaining. Time for us to make our own moves.
    Wild SelfMuhannadSupreme_Gentleman
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Posts: 10,292 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    [/quote]Janklow----not really countering what i posted[/quote]

    I get that but still, America needs to start backing up its words with actions....how about cutting off all aid to Israel until it learns to stop stealing water and land? And building illegal settlements?
    PlutarchCashmoneyDuxKLICHE
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