A second LAPD Officer steps forward with his own Manifesto, in the wake of Christopher Dorner

Black_Samson

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A former LAPD officer who wrote a Christopher Dorner "manifesto" of his own supporting claims of racism at the department told the Weekly today that "I understand why he snapped."

Joe Jones' essay about his police experience, which was circulated by the likes of hacker group Anonymous today, mentions at least three incidents on-the-job in which the 48-year-old believes he was wronged by the department in part because he's African American. He writes:

I feel your pains!...But you are going about thisthe wrong way. To take innocent lives could never be the answer to anything. I say this as a Man who experienced the same pain, betrayal, anger, suffering, litigation and agony that you did in many ways, Only I didn't get Fired. I just choose to go a different route. My heart still suffered that same shock, I wasstill left to try and put the pieces back together. The disbelief that people could conspire and cause you to loose something you loved so dearly was still there. I lost my Career, I lost my Family, I lost my Dignity, I lost my Trust...But I am here now to hopefully one day see change...Bro, Don't kill anymore Innocent people. Your point has been made. Clearly. They know you mean business, The whole world knows. Refrain from any further wrong doing and do what you must to salvage your Soul. Whatever that means to you. Just remember that God is a forgiving God.

Joe Jones Manifesto by

Jones told us he worked as a patrol officer for nine years in the Wilshire, West Valley and West Los Angeles divisions of the LAPD. He retired in 1998 and now has an event planning company in the L.A. area.

While he denounced Dorner's alleged hyper-violence, Jones told the Weekly he could understand how the ex-cop unraveled:

Police work was it for him and that's what he wanted to do for the rest of his life. And to come up with the reality that he's supposed to do the right thing and if he does do the right thing he should be vindicated. He felt he did the right thing and you know the repercussions came.

Jones said he didn't find it unusual at all to hear of a situation like Dorner's in which a rookie, African American officer's case against a senior white officer was met with disbelief and rejection by the department and court system.

(A manifesto allegedly written by Dorner appears to link his outrage to his firing after the LAPD concluded his claim that his training officer kicked a suspect was false).

"I went through all of that," Jones told us. "It hurts a hell of a lot."

He said Dorner's story had been weighing heavily on his mind last night when he decided to write what people are calling Jones' own manifesto about the department:

Black_Samson

I couldn't sleep last night. Woke me up out of my sleep and I had to express what was on my chest and what was in my heart.

I'm not trying to be a cop-basher. There are definitely good police officers out there. This is about the reality that someone is killing innocent people. He's a person who doesn't realize there are people who have gone through similar if not worse circumstances. Taking innocent lives is not the answer to it.

The LAPD needs to fulfill their obligation to stop these types of things from happening. If a person has a complaint and they told the truth it needs to be adjudicated fairly.

Jones posted his thoughts on his Facebook page this morning.

Asked if he experienced racism on-the-job, Jones almost laughed. Asked if he was surprised to see the African American community in L.A. respond so differently to Dorner than the rest of town, he said, "Of course they're going to see it different:"

They've been victims of these same things. The average caucasian person hasn't been privy to being harassed, stopped and talked down to, treated bad by officers. They haven't experienced that. They feel only criminals get treated disrespectfully. But the reality is that police are human and some come there with certain issues.

Jones said his worst experience at the department came in the early 1990s when he was off-duty and headed to his car in West Hollywood. It was parked close to a red curb, and a sheriff's deputy had a problem with it. He pulled out his LAPD ID to indicate, he said, "I'm not an issue for you," but in response he says the deputy "proned me out" at gunpoint.

Jones complained, and nearby LAPD officers responded. He says those cops backed his side of the story in a department internal investigation but then changed their stories when he sued the L.A. Sheriff's Department for what he says was a case of him being "illegally detained and handcuffed at gunpoint."

He lost his case.

"I definitely know what it's like to go through having your name slandered after having done the right thing," Jones told us. "It's a terrible feeling."

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Black_Samson

The following is a post from a second LAPD Officer, and a Facebook Friend of Christopher Dorner , his name is Joe Jones.

“My Former LAPD Officer Joe Jones MANIFESTO… I know most of you who personally who me are in disbelief of the partial story I will tell today. A story that has been suppressed for about 18 years, But lives strong everyday of my life. I without hesitation would like to send my condolences to the Victims who were lost and their families during this tragic situation. I would also like to send my condolences and well wishes to the many former and current Officers, as well as …Citizen’s and their families who lost the lives and souls of loved one’s to the injustices of Police Corruption, Scandal, Lies, Deception and Brutality.

Unlike Former Officer Dorner, I fear dying; But I also fear living in a society where Innocent people are dying for no reason. A society where pain so great can be afflicted to people who have to desire to live right and treat people right and then be punished for doing right. They say we all look alike. In very few cases this of course is true. But in most cases it is not. I feel a resemblance to Dorner, (See Photos) However several people who have no resemblance to Dorner have been shot due to the fear of what is taking place. I DO NOT WANT TO BE SHOT FOR CRIMES I DID NOT COMMIT!. Neither does anyone else. To preface my story I will say this: Just like former Officer Christopher Dorner I used to smile a lot. I loved everyone. I was voted Friendliest Senior of my Sr. Class in High School. I always believed in the system and never got into any trouble. I loved hard and gave to all I could.

After Joining the LAPD in 1989 I quickly found out that the world and society had major flaws. I had flaws as well for ever believing that our system of government was obligated to do the right thing. his is what I believed as a young Officer. Without going into major detail, I need you to first assume that I would not surface 16 years later with lies about a situation that has me with PTSD to this very day. The pain forces me to speak as I have yet to shake the Ill’s of my experience as an LAPD Officer. Of course I have moved on physically. But mentally and emotionally I still live with flaws. I can’t go into re-living the emotions of what I went through so I will say this. I had my home viciously attacked by a gunman with my family and myself inside the house. No arrests were made and my family and I Received very little support. I had my Civil Rights violated on several occasions. I was falsely arrested at gunpoint by the Sheriffs as an Officer who ID’d himself and was conspired against by both LAPD and the Sheriffs when my Civil case went to Trial.

I was falsely accused on more than one occasion and simply placed in a position that the trust was so compromised that I could no longer wear the Uniform. Also know there were many more episodes. All of these issues are well documented and I present them not to be a Whistle blower, However to hope that one would not assume that all of what is being said is Lies as presented by Dorner. I don’t know him, But I know me. I will say from my experience, If a person knows they were wrong it is easier to move on without anger. Seems that Dorner obviously could not move on… Could I just be content and move on with my life and not say anything? Yes…Then I would feel that I for once had my chance to speak on something that hurts me to this day and I did nothing to arouse thought or provoke reform.

This is what I hope comes from this whole situation: 1. Families that lost someone to this tragedy find the peace that only God can give at this terrible time. 2. Citizens of Los Angeles be mindful of this fearful time to be an Officer and comply vigorously so that you are not the victim of an Officer on high alert. 3. Government and Politicians please be diligent in the responsibility of creating Laws that protect those who could be the victim of a conspiracy. Never allow the door to be shut on the Truth. 4. Honest and Fair LAPD & All Agencies: Keep doing what you are doing to protect citizens and be safe while you are doing so. We need you and I would hope that you do not allow the Bureaucratic drama and Stress to kill your morale as I know it can. 5. Unethical LAPD & all Agencies: Whatever is was that lead you down this path, Pray to somebody’s God to forgive you and begin to remove unethical methods to your policing style.

Always think what if it were you, How would you feel?..How would you like if you were falsely accused and your life, lively-hood and career was taken from you? How would you like if someone was beating on you just because they felt they could get away with it? You are no better the criminals you took and oath to arrest when you do what you do! 6. Chistopher Dorner. The 1st thing I would say to him is, I feel your pains!…But you are going about this the wrong way. To take innocent lives could never be the answer to anything. I say this as a Man who experienced the same pain, betrayal, anger, suffering, litigation and agony that you did in many ways, Only I didn’t get Fired. I just choose to go a different route. My heart still suffered that same shock, I was still left to try and put the pieces back together. The disbelief that people could conspire and cause you to loose something you loved so dearly was still there. I lost my Career, I lost my Family, I lost my Dignity, I lost my Trust…But I am here now to hopefully one day see change…Bro, Don’t kill anymore Innocent people. Your point has been made. Clearly. They know you mean business, The whole world knows. Refrain from any further wrong doing and do what you must to salvage your Soul. Whatever that means to you. Just remember that God is a forgiving God. In conclusion I say to people who knew none of this about me that one day I will have to reflect on when was the time to speak. When I see the potential for innocent lives to be lost…The time is Now!…JJ”

Black_Samson

dude need to get the fuck outta here...

peaceful resolution has only worked twice... ghandi and MLK and even then... it took a bit of violence.

bubbaclot

Please. No more good cops need to die. The thugs already got us out numbered.

Rosebudd B'Dose

bubbaclot wrote: »

Please. No more good cops need to die. The thugs already got us out numbered.

No such thing as a good cop

a.mann

MzzKlapBak

well alright

bubbaclot

I understand what these guys are doing but they are sending the wrong message to the NigNogs in the streets.

See a NigNog selling drugs, robbing and killing folks in his own community will look at this and day "See I knew them cops be dirty!"

Irony.

Gold_Certificate

Skyler White wrote: »

Dont understand why any sane black man would become a cop anyway

"If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself."?

Gold_Certificate

If only Dorner had known that.

bubbaclot

Skyler White wrote: »

Dont understand why any sane black man would become a cop anyway

I don't understand why a sane black man would be a thug, drug dealer, goon, gang member, armed robber, convict, criminal, down south rapper, real nigga or a baby daddy........just to name a few.

Seems like cop would be the saner choice.

Ajackson17

Because we hate our people, I recieved more hate from black people than white people. White folks saved my life before while black folk thought it was funny to see me drown

Stopitfive

Skyler White wrote: »

Dont understand why any sane black man would become a cop anyway

so we should just let the system keep raping us? we can change things from within... it aint rocket science...

a.mann

Skyler White wrote: »

Dont understand why any sane black man would become a cop anyway

pralims

you know right now all the white cops are going to test the loyalty of there black co-workers.

they gonna be giving the black cops pcp like alonso did the rookie in training day

bull6599

Fuck all that...when 1 of these niggas gone tell us who killed B.I.G.

Ajackson17

Jajajajajajaja

s2jepeka

I still dont get it. Everybody knows police are the biggest gang on earth. Everyone knows they 'protect the shield' and the 'wall of silence' and all that bullshyt.

So where are all these Officer Hoyt, 'omg i had no ideaaaa' ass nggas comin from?!?! You KNOW what you signed up for.

Rosebudd B'Dose

So we got a bunch of cop lovers in here, huh?

bubbaclot

Skyler White wrote: »

bubbaclot wrote: »

Skyler White wrote: »

Dont understand why any sane black man would become a cop anyway

I don't understand why a sane black man would be a thug, drug dealer, goon, gang member, armed robber, convict, criminal, down south rapper, real nigga or a baby daddy........just to name a few.

Seems like cop would be the saner choice.

Smh @ niggas pledging brotherhood & loyalty to a fraternity of men that have systematically targeted and lynched (literally and figuratively) black men for damn near a century.

Are you referring to the Crips or the Bloods?

a.mann

Shizlansky

My pops use to work for NOPD and he personally told me more cops will lie and fuck up the truth to protect the shield.

And he said most are dirty and it goes beyond just normal cops. I'm talking bout the higher ups.

bubbaclot

Niggas claim they hate cops yet constantly choose a career path that pays them.

(ob)Scene

The thing that often gets lost in this police hate is the fact that these motherfuckas are flesh and blood just like you & I. I don't know why people act surprised that men & women are fcked up and flawed. We all the same. Anyone that argues that there aren't bad cops are just as ignorant as those that act like there aren't good ones.

I don't blame people that become police. They're probably slight narcissists in the sense that they probably view it as, "the best way to make a change for the better is from the inside out." Can't knock someone that desires to be a solution to a problem instead of someone that just complains about it.

Take issue w/ the fcked up police not those that knew there was a problem & made an effort to fix it but became overwhelmed. The only reason the good ones fail is b/c they don't get the support. The crooked ones have each others backs but who's backing the good ones? The public is supposed to have their backs but we never do. We're too busy showering ourselves in ignorance and condemning them all as if anything in life works that way. Not all is black and white. Until we come to this realization nothing will get better. The cycle continues.