I finally got around to watch Transformers 1,2&3 And.....

...First of all they were awesome films, i really enjoyed them, being a transformers fan when i was a kid, and seeing the effects are just mindblowing....

BUT...

They are filled with American Military propaganda, the dialouge, the situations they get in. The fact you never see one military person get wounded or die in a realistic way. The whole freedom bullshit by optimus. The fact the main character is called Sam (uncle sam) and the whole "you can be a soilder too" message. The fact that the transformers where helping the americans against the middle east. they are so filled up that it almost ruins the series...



Just the next time you watch one of the films, think of a Military Commercials....




Disclaimer: i am not a conspiracy nut & the fact im english doesnt change me or mean i hate all americans.

Oh & the girls in the films! Fuck me..............
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  • fortyacres&amulefortyacres&amule wubalubadubdub Posts: 12,363 Regulator
    It's a trilogy that had great potential but lost its way after the first one
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  • cobblandcobbland Gargoyles (1972) Chicago...Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭✭✭
    stupot0607 wrote: »
    ...First of all they were awesome films, i really enjoyed them, being a transformers fan when i was a kid, and seeing the effects are just mindblowing....

    BUT...

    They are filled with American Military propaganda, the dialouge, the situations they get in. The fact you never see one military person get wounded or die in a realistic way. The whole freedom bullshit by optimus. The fact the main character is called Sam (uncle sam) and the whole "you can be a soilder too" message. The fact that the transformers where helping the americans against the middle east. they are so filled up that it almost ruins the series...



    Just the next time you watch one of the films, think of a Military Commercials....




    Disclaimer: i am not a conspiracy nut & the fact im english doesnt change me or mean i hate all americans.

    Oh & the girls in the films! Fuck me..............

    What's wrong with being a conspiracy nut?
  • VulcanRavenVulcanRaven Quote the... MarylandPosts: 13,240 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Everything in Transformers was crap other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.
  • Young GunnerYoung Gunner Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never mind the fact that they're pieces of shit films with plot holes the size of the grand canyon
    a.mannking hassanVulcanRavenfreshb651
  • Yo_Killa!Yo_Killa! Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @t/s there is always a military/paramilitary presence in all superhero movies except for ghostrider or punisher.
  • a.manna.mann Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    Never mind the fact that they're pieces of shit films with plot holes the size of the grand canyon


    in Part 3 Bumblebee shown taken prisoner, hands up in the air...... totally defeated

    and then the very,very next scene he is shown fighting along side the other Autobots
    WTF???
     
    no battle scars, no explanation or nothing
    I mean he was just THERE

    superhero,action movie whatever


    that shit was beyond incompetence on the editor and director part

    completely inexcusable
    rage
  • ragerage Posts: 5,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    cobbland wrote: »
    stupot0607 wrote: »
    ...First of all they were awesome films, i really enjoyed them, being a transformers fan when i was a kid, and seeing the effects are just mindblowing....

    BUT...

    They are filled with American Military propaganda, the dialouge, the situations they get in. The fact you never see one military person get wounded or die in a realistic way. The whole freedom bullshit by optimus. The fact the main character is called Sam (uncle sam) and the whole "you can be a soilder too" message. The fact that the transformers where helping the americans against the middle east. they are so filled up that it almost ruins the series...



    Just the next time you watch one of the films, think of a Military Commercials....




    Disclaimer: i am not a conspiracy nut & the fact im english doesnt change me or mean i hate all americans.

    Oh & the girls in the films! Fuck me..............

    What's wrong with being a conspiracy nut?

    Everything...
  • nawledge_godnawledge_god Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I Was Too Disgusted WIth Them At First Glance To Find Deeper Meaning Or Subtle Messages
  • MrSoutCityMrSoutCity Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Other than the action..fuck the transformers series. In the last movie ain't no way them niggas could win. Not even with both sential prime and Megatron dead, they were simply too out numbered.
  • The Lonious MonkThe Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mad Jack wrote: »
    Everything in Transformers was crap other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.

    I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.

    That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.

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  • fortyacres&amulefortyacres&amule wubalubadubdub Posts: 12,363 Regulator
    Spielberg should have helmed the transformers series himself

    But I guess we have pacific rim now so the world is all balanced
  • ragerage Posts: 5,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mad Jack wrote: »
    Everything in Transformers was crap other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.

    I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.

    That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.

    I dont buy this..

    Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly crappy shit since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy crap to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.
    a.mann
  • a.manna.mann Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    rage wrote: »

    I dont buy this..

    Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly crappy shit since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy crap to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.

    big co-sign on this

    saying it's "just a Transformers" movie is a sorry cop-out

    and no excuse for shitty editing,directing, and acting

    these basic foundations of what makes a movie enjoyable

    should not be half-assed because of the genre

    unless it's straight up satirical exploitation on the level of "Grindhouse" and "Machete"
  • VulcanRavenVulcanRaven Quote the... MarylandPosts: 13,240 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The comics of both TF and Gi Joe were far from cheesy. My issue with the TF movies is that they tried too hard to be funny and it just came out corny. Ninja Turtles did a great job of blending humor with action in a none cheesy way.
  • fortyacres&amulefortyacres&amule wubalubadubdub Posts: 12,363 Regulator
    edited February 2013
    The first Star Wars trilogy set up a great precedent for these kind of movies that Hollywood some how fails to follow

    You start with an original story that is fast , fun and lose

    The sequel has to be dark and edgy and have a seriously cliffhanger with devastating consequences ...

    Then an epic finally

    Only lord of the rings, Bourne series and the dark knight trilogy have gotten it right


    They should have made dark of the moon the sequel to the first and only sentinel prime the villian , and a cliff hanger where prime supposedly dies in the second (open debate) and also earth left in great turmoil , setting up for an epic finale either with galvatron or unicron . And Focus on the Robots not humans fuck.....

    And thrown the trash that was revenge of the fallen into the abyss.
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  • Swiffness!Swiffness! Posts: 7,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    lol @ threadstarter just now being shocked - SHOCKED! - by the presence of ignorance in the Transformers films. He realize the 2nd flick was the one w/ The Coonbots (iirc their names were Mudflap & Sleep-n-Eat) tap dancing and singing Dixie, right? imo Military Propaganda is kind of the least of yo worries when you got Autobots w/ gold teeth eating watermelon smfh.

    LMAO @ kufi-wearing Poor Righteous Teacher cats that write articles about how Jay-Z is a black slave master, then pay money to support Transformers 2. I know you niggas are out there....
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  • YaSinisterYaSinister Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BUMBLEBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • The Lonious MonkThe Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rage wrote: »
    Mad Jack wrote: »
    Everything in Transformers was crap other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.

    I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.

    That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.

    I dont buy this..

    Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly crappy shit since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy crap to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.

    Read what I said again. Your post doesn't disagree with what I said. I specifically acknowledged that both franchises could have been turned into something good. I just pointed out that no one should have been surprised that they didn't. Seriously, go back and look at old school GI Joe and Transformers. If some good director took either of those and made something tight, I'd give them props. But I'm not about to be like "OMG Bay ruined the greatest thing ever by making a movie with lots of explosions and robots changing shapes" when the movie was based on a cartoon that pretty much involved lots of explosions and robots changing shapes and little else.
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  • A.J. TrillzynskiA.J. Trillzynski Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    good movies.. one of the best trilogies ever. Mike Bay is replacing Shia with Mark Wahlberg in part 4 so expect some next level badassery with extra amounts of no fucks given about the haters.
    fortyacres&amulerageinfamous114Young GunnerMrSoutCityVulcanRaven
  • ragerage Posts: 5,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rage wrote: »
    Mad Jack wrote: »
    Everything in Transformers was crap other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.

    I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.

    That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.

    I dont buy this..

    Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly crappy shit since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy crap to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.

    Read what I said again. Your post doesn't disagree with what I said. I specifically acknowledged that both franchises could have been turned into something good. I just pointed out that no one should have been surprised that they didn't. Seriously, go back and look at old school GI Joe and Transformers. If some good director took either of those and made something tight, I'd give them props. But I'm not about to be like "OMG Bay ruined the greatest thing ever by making a movie with lots of explosions and robots changing shapes" when the movie was based on a cartoon that pretty much involved lots of explosions and robots changing shapes and little else.

    But thats not what ruined those movies...if anything those were the best parts of the movies. The worst part of those movies was the TERRIBLE scripts, TERRIBLE acting performances, TERRIBLE direction. All of that has nothing to do with the 80's TV shows.
    a.mannjoshuaboy
  • The Lonious MonkThe Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Posts: 14,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rage wrote: »
    rage wrote: »
    Mad Jack wrote: »
    Everything in Transformers was crap other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.

    I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.

    That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.

    I dont buy this..

    Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly crappy shit since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy crap to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.

    Read what I said again. Your post doesn't disagree with what I said. I specifically acknowledged that both franchises could have been turned into something good. I just pointed out that no one should have been surprised that they didn't. Seriously, go back and look at old school GI Joe and Transformers. If some good director took either of those and made something tight, I'd give them props. But I'm not about to be like "OMG Bay ruined the greatest thing ever by making a movie with lots of explosions and robots changing shapes" when the movie was based on a cartoon that pretty much involved lots of explosions and robots changing shapes and little else.

    But thats not what ruined those movies...if anything those were the best parts of the movies. The worst part of those movies was the TERRIBLE scripts, TERRIBLE acting performances, TERRIBLE direction. All of that has nothing to do with the 80's TV shows.

    It absolutely has to do with the source material. If you have a solid base on which to work, the scripts and direction basically are already in place. You just have to do some fine tuning for the change in media. If you're taking something from a weak base, then that puts more on the people behind the movie to create and opens the door to them fucking it up. Now the terrible acting, you're right, has nothing to do with the source material.
  • ragerage Posts: 5,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rage wrote: »
    rage wrote: »
    Mad Jack wrote: »
    Everything in Transformers was crap other than the action. I never pay attention to anything but the explosions and bullet spray.

    I was going to argue with this and then I thought about it. You're right. I enjoyed all three movies, but that's mostly because I turned my brain off. The action was good and I'll even say some of the comedy was decent, but if you were expecting more than that you'll be disappointed.

    That said, it amazes me when people expect a lot more than that from movies like Transformers and G.I. Joe. I'm not saying you couldn't make great movies from these franchises, but the source material was pretty cheesy when you go back and look so it shouldn't be all that unexpected that the movies made aren't much better.

    I dont buy this..

    Transformers and Gi Joe while cheesy in its origins...can be made into a good to great movie. With the right script, actors and DIRECTOR! Michael Bay has made increasingly crappy shit since the Island. Look at the Batman franchise...it went from abject cheesy crap to the benchmark for superhero movies with the right director and actors. Give Katherine Bigalow the Gi Joe franchise and see what happens, give JJ the Transformers franchise and see what happens.

    Read what I said again. Your post doesn't disagree with what I said. I specifically acknowledged that both franchises could have been turned into something good. I just pointed out that no one should have been surprised that they didn't. Seriously, go back and look at old school GI Joe and Transformers. If some good director took either of those and made something tight, I'd give them props. But I'm not about to be like "OMG Bay ruined the greatest thing ever by making a movie with lots of explosions and robots changing shapes" when the movie was based on a cartoon that pretty much involved lots of explosions and robots changing shapes and little else.

    But thats not what ruined those movies...if anything those were the best parts of the movies. The worst part of those movies was the TERRIBLE scripts, TERRIBLE acting performances, TERRIBLE direction. All of that has nothing to do with the 80's TV shows.

    It absolutely has to do with the source material. If you have a solid base on which to work, the scripts and direction basically are already in place. You just have to do some fine tuning for the change in media. If you're taking something from a weak base, then that puts more on the people behind the movie to create and opens the door to them fucking it up. Now the terrible acting, you're right, has nothing to do with the source material.

    Absolutely...but nothing good or great ever comes from going the easy route. A good script would be hard to write...absolutely....so get it done, do the hard work. The thing is M.Bay took the easy route and put out some rushed crap because thats all he is capable of.
    joshuaboy
  • fortyacres&amulefortyacres&amule wubalubadubdub Posts: 12,363 Regulator
    rage wrote: »
    The thing is M.Bay took the easy route and put out some rushed crap because thats all he is capable of.

    Transformers proved that bay was exactly who we thought he was
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