Why do people act like HBK drew money??

Paul Hate.

He never drew money until DX.

People always seem to question Bret's drawing ability but everyone knows he was an overseas attraction.HBK ...is the one who always seems to get a pass especially on the internet.

The company was dying when he was champ..Bret was at least an okay draw and he was huge in Canada,the UK and Germany that kept the doors open when he was the top dog.But he didnt draw that well either.He was just slightly better than okay in the US.

Then they force fed us Deisel and HBK(obviously b/c of politics) and business just went ass up and didnt pick back up til bret came back and austin caught on fire.

HBK is the most overated motherfucker ever.I honestly think the WWF talent at the time was so horrible and his style at the time was fresh water but he didnt really draw a dime until DX.

I'm not saying he wasn't popular but he wasnt't gonna put asses in seats and make people ppv's and merchandise with a fucking giggalo gimmick in 96.

I honestly would have bypassed him and focused on HHH and Austin that year instead of that overated junkie.

jono

Wrestling had been in a slump for years post-steroid scandal (1992 somewhere about). Hogan didn't even pick business back up when he returned. Yoko, Diesel they all failed to draw big in that climate. WCW was suffering too, in fact WCW didn't draw shit until the nWo angle happened in mid-96, Hogan had been in WCW for 2 years by then.


So the argument that HBK wasn't a draw, is nonsense. Drawing compared to who? He was a bigger draw than Diesel that's for damn sure and Diesel had a title reign twice as long as Shawn's. The argument that Shawn can't draw was made up by folks who blame him for WWF's slide into mediocrity but the product was shit, and the business climate was also bad. Then to compare Shawn's ability to draw to Hulk fucking Hogan? You kidding me?


Let's be honest, and I ask this question to everyone who makes this argument: Who would you have put the title on?


You just said it yourself Diesel & Bret were no-draws. Undertaker was in & out with injuries so you can't use him. Austin was a nobody until June, HHH was floundering and jobbing so he was nowhere either. They actually gave the belt to Sid, and then he proceeded to not sell out the next few events despite his popularity as well. Bulldog? Owen? Vader is the only other option but he didn't get any momentum til later in 1996.

All this "drawing ability" shit is stupid anyway. As a fan I couldn't care less who draws what.

MC The Rapper

HBK's political antics didn't help either burying dudes behind the scenes

Trillip Brooks

Paul Hate. wrote: »

I honestly would have bypassed him and focused on HHH and Austin that year instead of that overated junkie.

genocidecutter

SMH

dalyricalbandit

Bret the GOAT

Peezy_Jenkins

bret and hbk being overrated and not drawing are some of the dumbest opinions ive ever seen in this subforum

Black_Samson

HBK is a big reason why the wwe is still standing. and he never left.
he held them down when the spoiled entitled rich bitches took off to wcw after trying to bleed the wwe dry.

bad thread premise.

Makaveli Joker

I been tellin niggas hbk wasn't shit

Trillip Brooks

Outside of Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Rock, Austin and Cena, who did?

kj_da_midwest_mobsta

your crazy he had the females and kids goin crazy like cena does now

TheIraq

CopperKing

HBK wasnt really a money draw tbh....he had no outside appeal or attraction only people that liked him were white hardcore wrestling fans

lookdude

TheIraq wrote: »

lol at that black kid getting his hug in

Anti_matter

Late 1994 til early 1996 was a dark time for WWF/E....

1995 WWF alumni.

BABYFACE ROSTER
Diesel
Bret Hart
Lex Luger
The Undertaker
Ahmed Johnson
British Bulldog
Razor Ramon
Savio Vega
Bart Gunn
Billy Gunn
Adam Bomb
1-2-3 Kid
Bob Holly
Duke Droese
Fatu
Doink
Fatu
Sionne
Aldo Mantoya
Marty Jannetty
Barry Horrowitz

HEEL ROSTER
Sycho Sid
Shawn Michaels
Bob Backlund
Yokozuna
Owen Hart
Dean Douglas
Jeff Jarrett
Mabel
Mo
Jerry Lawler
Isaac Yankem
Goldust
Bam Bam Bigelow
King Kong Bundy
Tatanka
Irwin R. Shiester
Hakushi
Kama
Skip
Hunter Helmsley
Waylon Mercy
Tom Prichard
Jimmy Del Ray
Jean Pierre Lafitte
Henry Godwinn
Rad Radford
Steven Dunn
Timothy Well.
Buddy Landel
Crush
Mantaur

TAG TEAMS
Million $$ Corp
Owen & Yokozuna
Smoking Gunns
Men on a Mission
Bodydonnas
Allied Powers
Blu Brothers
Headshrinkers
123Kid/Bob Holly
Heavenly Bodies
Well DunnOTHER
Lawrence Taylor

MANAGERS
Ted DiBiase
Jim Cornette
Paul Bearer
Harvey Wippleman
Mr Fuji
The Roadie
Lou Albano
Afa
Shinja
Uncle Zeb

WOMEN
Sunny
Alundra Blaze
Bertha Faye
Aja Kong

KingGivBiz

I think people see him as an amazing talent not amazing draw. Hogan, Flair, Austin, The Rock trascend the sport. Sting, Macho Man and Warrior were borderline trascending In fact, very few trascend the business.

So basically I think overall in ring ability, charsima, on the mic, and as far as all around HBK will be a GOAT to alot of people n not necesarilly as someone who sold the most nerchandise. Lets not get the perception confused. We are all huge fans of his work as real wrestling fans n not for the business side of shit.

Paul Hate.

Trillip Brooks wrote: »

Outside of Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Rock, Austin and Cena, who did?

^sting,goldberg,jericho??

Paul Hate.

CopperKing wrote: »

HBK wasnt really a money draw tbh....he had no outside appeal or attraction only people that liked him were white hardcore wrestling fans

^exactly.He was a product of the WWF hype machine.

Peezy_Jenkins

niggas really disrespecting the goat hbk, when the entire industry was down, sid vicious and diesel certainly werent doin their thing, disgusting, hbk had to be at least a decent draw and one of the best in ring ever, matter fact, who judges their favorite wrestler on drawing ability?

Paul Hate.

I dont got time to bring up ppv orders,ticket sales at those same ppv's or shit like that.Just google.Bret was ok to slight above okay as a draw cuz of canada,the uk and germany love him like crazy.

But HBK aint draw shit.Him and deisel almost put them out of business.

Paul Hate.

I think Cena has somewhat transcended the business..in a minor way.He's a minor crossover celebrity for wrestling.

He's the most popular wrestler in the last 10 years basically no one comes close.

dalyricalbandit

Paul Hate. wrote: »

Trillip Brooks wrote: »

Outside of Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Rock, Austin and Cena, who did?

^sting,goldberg,jericho??

they was WCW

jono

Paul Hate. wrote: »

Trillip Brooks wrote: »

Outside of Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Rock, Austin and Cena, who did?

^sting,goldberg,jericho??

Sting drew based on the power of the nWo. Without that lengthy feud he wasn't the man like that. In fact Sting was the face of WCW and got bumped by Hogan, returned and then got bumped again by Goldberg....


Speaking of Goldberg he was indeed a big star for WCW. No doubt about it.


Jericho was never a draw anywhere he performed, highly entertaining but nowhere near HBK as a PPV or live attraction. The fact you even brought him up is askew in my opinion.


There are 5 big time draws in modern wrestling:
Hogan, Savage, Flair (questionable), Austin & Rock everyone else is at best a moderate draw (HBK, Bret, Nash, Sting, Luger, Angle etc).

jono

*Cena is more recent and is the biggest draw of recent wrestlers. Jeff Hardy, Brock Lesnar & Randy Orton are also on that list.


Jeff could have surpassed Cena in my opinion if he had decided to stay around.

Paul Hate.

The ROck and Austin have the biggest WM and PPv's of all time..let's not talk about Merchandise.Austin technically speaking made more dollars for the WWF than Hogan but obviously Hogan was in a different era less tv and ppv's and licsenced merchandise.

Jericho sold merchandise than a motherfucker and he was involved in some very succesful PPv's.

Paul Hate.

Jeff hardy passing Cena?Right.Okay.Cool.