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The NWA Family Tree Starts With Dr Dre, Not Eazy E

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  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
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    lol at the record credits giving a special thanks shout out to eazy e. lol at this being your proof that eazy wasnt involved pre-nwa. smmfh

    But the Stereo Crew record came out a year earlier. It says written by O Jackson (Ice Cube) and A Wheaton produced by Alonzo Williams and Andre Young (Dr Dre). Eazy's name is nowhere to be found on that record label.

    The undisputed fact is that Dre and Ice Cube (and possibly Yella) were making records together before NWA formed.

    And just because that CIA record says "Special thanks o Eazy E" doesn't mean that he had anything to do with the production.

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    If Alonzo was such a key player and the root why didnt his tree ever blossom??? If alonzo was so important and if eazy was just an after thought as you say then explain to me why alonzo's group flopped but eazy used the same core and his group maade history? If alonzo was already connected to dre cube yella and michel'le before eazy why wasnt he able to do what eazy did? Why didnt any of these people find the sustained sucess with him that they found with eazy? Ive asked these questions before and ur hating ass hasnt answered any of them.


    Im still waiting on an answer @5 Grand
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  • nawledge_godnawledge_god Lurk And Talk Shit Chiraq RefugeePosts: 5,620 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5 Grand wrote: »
    The World Class Wrecking Crew was

    Lonzo (Alonzo Williams),
    Andre Young (Dr. Dre),
    Marquette Hawkins (Cli-N-Tel),
    Antoine Carraby(DJ Yella),
    Barry Severe (Shakespeare),
    Mona Lisa Young,
    Michelle Toussaint (Michel'le).

    They released five albums. Dr Dre and DJ Yella were involved in the first two;

    World Class - 1985
    Rapped in Romance - 1986
    Turn Off The Lights In The Fast Lane - 1988
    Dance In Romance - 1989 (without Dr Dre and Yella)
    Phases In Life - 1990 (without Dr Dre and Yella)

    As I understand it, Dr Dre was making noise in L.A. and the West Coast in the mid 80s before Eazy E came into the picture. As I mentioned in another thread, I remember the song Turn On The Lights getting played at parties in the spring of 1988.

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    In 1986, Ice Cube , Dr Dre and Alonzo Williams hooked up and formed the Stereo Crew. The name of the song was She's a Skag

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    In 1987, Dr Dre hooked up with Ice Cube again to record an EP. The name of the group was C.I.A.

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    If you look at the back of the record cover it clearly says Ice Cube and Dr Dre.

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    In the other thread there's a bunch of little kids that weren't even born when all of this was taking place claiming that the NWA family tree starts with Eazy E. Eazy E didn't record his first record until 1987. The song was called Boys In The Hood and was produced by Dr Dre and written by Ice Cube.

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    MC Ren didn't enter the picture until he appeared on the b-side of Eazy's second single, Radio

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    Track B2 "Compton's N The House" is the original version and only appears on this cassette single (the vinyl of this single has a radio edit of Eazy-Duz-It instead of Compton's N The House, sad but true). There is a remix version of Compton's N The House that appears on N.W.A.'s Straight Outta Compton album, but the original can only be found here on this cassette single.


    So there you have it. The chronological order of all of the NWA members and their recordings. As you can clearly see, Dr Dre and DJ Yella were the first members of NWA to break into the music industry. While its true that Eazy founded Ruthless Records with Jerry Heller, Ice Cube and Dr Dre had already hooked up. Its likely that they would have gone on to be superstars without Eazy. They certainly had the talent.

    You Forgot This One

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  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    If Alonzo was such a key player and the root why didnt his tree ever blossom??? If alonzo was so important and if eazy was just an after thought as you say explain to me why alonzo's group flopped but eazy used the same core and his group made history? If alonzo was already connected to dre cube yella and michel'le before eazy why wasnt he able to do what eazy did? Why didnt any of these people find the sustained sucess with him that they found with eazy? If alonzo was so great why didnt he create NWA? He had all the pieces. If he was so important and so great at creating influential groups why couldnt he make another one after his original group fell apart? Ive asked these questions before and ur hating ass hasnt answered any of them.

    5 days later and still no answer @5 Grand
    illedout5 GrandCP203kingblaze84
  • Jabu_RuleJabu_Rule Posts: 5,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Stiff wrote: »
    If it wasnt for Eazy, Dr.Dre prolly wouldve ended up an r&b producer

    He wouldn'tve gotten on that path to make Chronic and put snoop on

    True, but then again, maybe things would be better for the Black community if NWA never formed and Dre became an R & B producer.

    I think R&B as a genre is more desirable than gangsta rap. Gangsta rap has ruined a lot of people's minds. They grow up wanting to be thugs instead of going to college and getting a degree and making something of themselves. I can't place the blame squarely on gangsta rap's shoulders, but I think gangsta rap hurts the community more than it helps.

    I disagree but I get what you saying. You can't blame gangsta rap for ruining communities, bad parenting and bad economies is what ruins communities. And some kids will be bad asses regardless in rare cases, but that's bigger than music. And being a good parent is beyond putting food on the table and paying the rent or mortgage.

    You discounted the infiltration of state sanctioned Drugs (mafia, right wing cartels) and the marginalization of black communities that was a remnant of the destruction of the black power movement which ended in riots that made the LA riots look tame.
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  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    If Alonzo was such a key player and the root why didnt his tree ever blossom??? If alonzo was so important and if eazy was just an after thought as you say explain to me why alonzo's group flopped but eazy used the same core and his group made history? If alonzo was already connected to dre cube yella and michel'le before eazy why wasnt he able to do what eazy did? Why didnt any of these people find the sustained sucess with him that they found with eazy? If alonzo was so great why didnt he create NWA? He had all the pieces. If he was so important and so great at creating influential groups why couldnt he make another one after his original group fell apart? Ive asked these questions before and ur hating ass hasnt answered any of them.

    5 days later and still no answer @5 Grand

    Lol at this dumbass getting run out of his own thread. Dude said some stupid shit got called out and now he wont even step foot in his own fucking thread. Take notes everyone. This is how you handle haters who dont know what the fuck they are talking about. Pull your skirt down bitch. You've been exposed.
    kingblaze84
  • 5 Grand5 Grand Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭✭
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    If Alonzo was such a key player and the root why didnt his tree ever blossom??? If alonzo was so important and if eazy was just an after thought as you say explain to me why alonzo's group flopped but eazy used the same core and his group made history? If alonzo was already connected to dre cube yella and michel'le before eazy why wasnt he able to do what eazy did? Why didnt any of these people find the sustained sucess with him that they found with eazy? If alonzo was so great why didnt he create NWA? He had all the pieces. If he was so important and so great at creating influential groups why couldnt he make another one after his original group fell apart? Ive asked these questions before and ur hating ass hasnt answered any of them.

    5 days later and still no answer @5 Grand

    Lol at this dumbass getting run out of his own thread. Dude said some stupid shit got called out and now he wont even step foot in his own fucking thread. Take notes everyone. This is how you handle haters who dont know what the fuck they are talking about. Pull your skirt down bitch. You've been exposed.

    You're a troll and you're beating a dead horse.

    You're a waste of my time.
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    skpjr78kingblaze84BackInWhite
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    5 Grand wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
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    lol at the record credits giving a special thanks shout out to eazy e. lol at this being your proof that eazy wasnt involved pre-nwa. smmfh

    But the Stereo Crew record came out a year earlier. It says written by O Jackson (Ice Cube) and A Wheaton produced by Alonzo Williams and Andre Young (Dr Dre). Eazy's name is nowhere to be found on that record label.

    The undisputed fact is that Dre and Ice Cube (and possibly Yella) were making records together before NWA formed.

    And just because that CIA record says "Special thanks o Eazy E" doesn't mean that he had anything to do with the production.

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    In an unpublished interview from '95 Eazy talks about bringing Cube and Dre together and changing their individual styles to form NWA.


    RP: 
    Which N.W.A. tracks are you talking about in particular?

    Eazy-E:
    "Findum, ****em and Flee," "She Swallowed It"…me and Ren did a lot of stuff. "Approach to Danger"… a lot of them. I can't remember all of them. A lot of stuff, you could tell if you knew Dre [and] his style. He was in N.W.A., but Dre came from the Wrecking Crew, but I got him to do this other type of music I wanted to do, the gangsta @#%$, and I got Dre away from what he was doing. Ice Cube was from C.I.A. and the Stereo Crew, and if you knew their style, they were like the Beastie Boys. I put' em together, and we formed N.W.A., and they changed their style. And they started hollering Compton because that's where we were from: me, Ren, and Yella.

    http://z4.invisionfree.com/HIPHOP4EVA/ar/t8188.htm


    Smh at anyone other than Eazy creating NWA. Fucking ignorant haters disgust me.
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  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    5 Grand wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    If Alonzo was such a key player and the root why didnt his tree ever blossom??? If alonzo was so important and if eazy was just an after thought as you say explain to me why alonzo's group flopped but eazy used the same core and his group made history? If alonzo was already connected to dre cube yella and michel'le before eazy why wasnt he able to do what eazy did? Why didnt any of these people find the sustained sucess with him that they found with eazy? If alonzo was so great why didnt he create NWA? He had all the pieces. If he was so important and so great at creating influential groups why couldnt he make another one after his original group fell apart? Ive asked these questions before and ur hating ass hasnt answered any of them.

    5 days later and still no answer @5 Grand

    Lol at this dumbass getting run out of his own thread. Dude said some stupid shit got called out and now he wont even step foot in his own fucking thread. Take notes everyone. This is how you handle haters who dont know what the fuck they are talking about. Pull your skirt down bitch. You've been exposed.

    You're a troll and you're beating a dead horse.

    You're a waste of my time.

    so in other words you dont have any answers. i thought you was the hip hop encyclopedia tho. what happened? i guess wikipedia didnt have any edited ass posts for you to lean on.

    u ran ur mouth like a bitch, got smacked like a hoe and tucked ur tail and ran like a fag. keep this shit in mind the next time you think about opening your fag ass mouth and hating on a legend. kys bitch
    5 Grand
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopPosts: 14,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    5 Grand wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    If Alonzo was such a key player and the root why didnt his tree ever blossom??? If alonzo was so important and if eazy was just an after thought as you say explain to me why alonzo's group flopped but eazy used the same core and his group made history? If alonzo was already connected to dre cube yella and michel'le before eazy why wasnt he able to do what eazy did? Why didnt any of these people find the sustained sucess with him that they found with eazy? If alonzo was so great why didnt he create NWA? He had all the pieces. If he was so important and so great at creating influential groups why couldnt he make another one after his original group fell apart? Ive asked these questions before and ur hating ass hasnt answered any of them.

    5 days later and still no answer @5 Grand

    Lol at this dumbass getting run out of his own thread. Dude said some stupid shit got called out and now he wont even step foot in his own fucking thread. Take notes everyone. This is how you handle haters who dont know what the fuck they are talking about. Pull your skirt down bitch. You've been exposed.

    You're a troll and you're beating a dead horse.

    You're a waste of my time.

    You gotta admit that Dre and Cube switched their style up after Eazy-E came into their life, they were a Beastie Boys type group with Wrecking Crew and CIA, and they didn't have NWA type buzz at all. Eazy-E's solo album was dropped before NWA's group album, and the buzz from Eazy and his genuine street cred gave NWA credibility and a buzz that it otherwise wouldn't have had.

    If Eazy found another great producer outside of Dre (which I think he could have done since he loved to go clubbing and his boy MC Ren was already rapping), there's a decent chance Eazy would have found that star producer and put some other rappers on, creating NWA without Dre. Many have said this and it's why many say Eazy-E is the godfather of gangsta rap, and he damn well could be. Dre gets my full respect though, he did a lot.
  • 5 Grand5 Grand Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5 Grand wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    If Alonzo was such a key player and the root why didnt his tree ever blossom??? If alonzo was so important and if eazy was just an after thought as you say explain to me why alonzo's group flopped but eazy used the same core and his group made history? If alonzo was already connected to dre cube yella and michel'le before eazy why wasnt he able to do what eazy did? Why didnt any of these people find the sustained sucess with him that they found with eazy? If alonzo was so great why didnt he create NWA? He had all the pieces. If he was so important and so great at creating influential groups why couldnt he make another one after his original group fell apart? Ive asked these questions before and ur hating ass hasnt answered any of them.

    5 days later and still no answer @5 Grand

    Lol at this dumbass getting run out of his own thread. Dude said some stupid shit got called out and now he wont even step foot in his own fucking thread. Take notes everyone. This is how you handle haters who dont know what the fuck they are talking about. Pull your skirt down bitch. You've been exposed.

    You're a troll and you're beating a dead horse.

    You're a waste of my time.

    You gotta admit that Dre and Cube switched their style up after Eazy-E came into their life, they were a Beastie Boys type group with Wrecking Crew and CIA, and they didn't have NWA type buzz at all. Eazy-E's solo album was dropped before NWA's group album, and the buzz from Eazy and his genuine street cred gave NWA credibility and a buzz that it otherwise wouldn't have had.

    If Eazy found another great producer outside of Dre (which I think he could have done since he loved to go clubbing and his boy MC Ren was already rapping), there's a decent chance Eazy would have found another good producer and put some other rappers on. Many have said this and it's why many say Eazy-E is the godfather of gangsta rap, and he damn well could be.

    I agree with the bolded. Dre and Cube did indeed switch their style up. But the fact remains they were making records together, with Yella before they hooked up with Eazy. So if you want to get technical, the NWA family tree started with Dre and Yella in the World Class Wrecking Crew and then they hooked up with Ice Cube and eventually they got down with Eazy and Ren.

    That's all I have to say. I'm not going to repeat the same thing over and over again.

    Mods can you please lock this thread.
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    skpjr78
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopPosts: 14,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jabu_Rule wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Stiff wrote: »
    If it wasnt for Eazy, Dr.Dre prolly wouldve ended up an r&b producer

    He wouldn'tve gotten on that path to make Chronic and put snoop on

    True, but then again, maybe things would be better for the Black community if NWA never formed and Dre became an R & B producer.

    I think R&B as a genre is more desirable than gangsta rap. Gangsta rap has ruined a lot of people's minds. They grow up wanting to be thugs instead of going to college and getting a degree and making something of themselves. I can't place the blame squarely on gangsta rap's shoulders, but I think gangsta rap hurts the community more than it helps.

    I disagree but I get what you saying. You can't blame gangsta rap for ruining communities, bad parenting and bad economies is what ruins communities. And some kids will be bad asses regardless in rare cases, but that's bigger than music. And being a good parent is beyond putting food on the table and paying the rent or mortgage.

    You discounted the infiltration of state sanctioned Drugs (mafia, right wing cartels) and the marginalization of black communities that was a remnant of the destruction of the black power movement which ended in riots that made the LA riots look tame.

    I agree, I did leave that out. Reagan and his CIA helped dealers from Central and South America sell and push drugs in the hood and other places to buy American guns. And when the govt brought Black power groups down, many programs that were set up and were being set up were destroyed, further bringing down Black communities.

    All this has done more harm to Blacks then gangsta rap, which is only describing what's going on anyway.
  • Jabu_RuleJabu_Rule Posts: 5,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jabu_Rule wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Stiff wrote: »
    If it wasnt for Eazy, Dr.Dre prolly wouldve ended up an r&b producer

    He wouldn'tve gotten on that path to make Chronic and put snoop on

    True, but then again, maybe things would be better for the Black community if NWA never formed and Dre became an R & B producer.

    I think R&B as a genre is more desirable than gangsta rap. Gangsta rap has ruined a lot of people's minds. They grow up wanting to be thugs instead of going to college and getting a degree and making something of themselves. I can't place the blame squarely on gangsta rap's shoulders, but I think gangsta rap hurts the community more than it helps.

    I disagree but I get what you saying. You can't blame gangsta rap for ruining communities, bad parenting and bad economies is what ruins communities. And some kids will be bad asses regardless in rare cases, but that's bigger than music. And being a good parent is beyond putting food on the table and paying the rent or mortgage.

    You discounted the infiltration of state sanctioned Drugs (mafia, right wing cartels) and the marginalization of black communities that was a remnant of the destruction of the black power movement which ended in riots that made the LA riots look tame.

    I agree, I did leave that out. Reagan and his CIA helped dealers from Central and South America sell and push drugs in the hood and other places to buy American guns. And when the govt brought Black power groups down, many programs that were set up and were being set up were destroyed, further bringing down Black communities.

    All this has done more harm to Blacks then gangsta rap, which is only describing what's going on anyway.

    What's crazy is all that happened after Jim Crow and slavery. But we put our last efforts to be free into the Black Power movement since they kept fucking up all of our attempts to actually be separate and equal. The white man been had his foot on our neck and even today, they shitting our our Black Lives Matter movement with Glenn Beck an his All Lives Matter march. But gangsta rap made them do it.
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  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    5 Grand wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    If Alonzo was such a key player and the root why didnt his tree ever blossom??? If alonzo was so important and if eazy was just an after thought as you say explain to me why alonzo's group flopped but eazy used the same core and his group made history? If alonzo was already connected to dre cube yella and michel'le before eazy why wasnt he able to do what eazy did? Why didnt any of these people find the sustained sucess with him that they found with eazy? If alonzo was so great why didnt he create NWA? He had all the pieces. If he was so important and so great at creating influential groups why couldnt he make another one after his original group fell apart? Ive asked these questions before and ur hating ass hasnt answered any of them.

    5 days later and still no answer @5 Grand

    Lol at this dumbass getting run out of his own thread. Dude said some stupid shit got called out and now he wont even step foot in his own fucking thread. Take notes everyone. This is how you handle haters who dont know what the fuck they are talking about. Pull your skirt down bitch. You've been exposed.

    You're a troll and you're beating a dead horse.

    You're a waste of my time.

    You gotta admit that Dre and Cube switched their style up after Eazy-E came into their life, they were a Beastie Boys type group with Wrecking Crew and CIA, and they didn't have NWA type buzz at all. Eazy-E's solo album was dropped before NWA's group album, and the buzz from Eazy and his genuine street cred gave NWA credibility and a buzz that it otherwise wouldn't have had.

    If Eazy found another great producer outside of Dre (which I think he could have done since he loved to go clubbing and his boy MC Ren was already rapping), there's a decent chance Eazy would have found another good producer and put some other rappers on. Many have said this and it's why many say Eazy-E is the godfather of gangsta rap, and he damn well could be.

    I agree with the bolded. Dre and Cube did indeed switch their style up. But the fact remains they were making records together, with Yella before they hooked up with Eazy. So if you want to get technical, the NWA family tree started with Dre and Yella in the World Class Wrecking Crew and then they hooked up with Ice Cube and eventually they got down with Eazy and Ren.

    That's all I have to say. I'm not going to repeat the same thing over and over again.

    Mods can you please lock this thread.






    lol at this fuck boy wanting to lock the thread after getting embarrassed again.

    explain to me how the nwa family tree starts without eazy when nwa didnt exist before eazy? fuck you mean they eventually got down with eazy. eazy is the one who bought them all together on his terms. dont take my word for it ask eazy himself you fucking dumbass.



    RP:
    Which N.W.A. tracks are you talking about in particular?

    Eazy-E:
    "Findum, ****em and Flee," "She Swallowed It"…me and Ren did a lot of stuff. "Approach to Danger"… a lot of them. I can't remember all of them. A lot of stuff, you could tell if you knew Dre [and] his style. He was in N.W.A., but Dre came from the Wrecking Crew, but I got him to do this other type of music I wanted to do, the gangsta @#%$, and I got Dre away from what he was doing. Ice Cube was from C.I.A. and the Stereo Crew, and if you knew their style, they were like the Beastie Boys. I put' em together, and we formed N.W.A., and they changed their style. And they started hollering Compton because that's where we were from: me, Ren, and Yella.

    http://z4.invisionfree.com/HIPHOP4EVA/ar/t8188.htm



    and you still havent answered any of these questions mr. hip hop professor.
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    If Alonzo was such a key player and the root why didnt his tree ever blossom??? If alonzo was so important and if eazy was just an after thought as you say explain to me why alonzo's group flopped but eazy used the same core and his group made history? If alonzo was already connected to dre cube yella and michel'le before eazy why wasnt he able to do what eazy did? Why didnt any of these people find the sustained sucess with him that they found with eazy? If alonzo was so great why didnt he create NWA? He had all the pieces. If he was so important and so great at creating influential groups why couldnt he make another one after his original group fell apart? Ive asked these questions before and ur hating ass hasnt answered any of them.
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopPosts: 14,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5 Grand wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    skpjr78 wrote: »
    If Alonzo was such a key player and the root why didnt his tree ever blossom??? If alonzo was so important and if eazy was just an after thought as you say explain to me why alonzo's group flopped but eazy used the same core and his group made history? If alonzo was already connected to dre cube yella and michel'le before eazy why wasnt he able to do what eazy did? Why didnt any of these people find the sustained sucess with him that they found with eazy? If alonzo was so great why didnt he create NWA? He had all the pieces. If he was so important and so great at creating influential groups why couldnt he make another one after his original group fell apart? Ive asked these questions before and ur hating ass hasnt answered any of them.

    5 days later and still no answer @5 Grand

    Lol at this dumbass getting run out of his own thread. Dude said some stupid shit got called out and now he wont even step foot in his own fucking thread. Take notes everyone. This is how you handle haters who dont know what the fuck they are talking about. Pull your skirt down bitch. You've been exposed.

    You're a troll and you're beating a dead horse.

    You're a waste of my time.

    You gotta admit that Dre and Cube switched their style up after Eazy-E came into their life, they were a Beastie Boys type group with Wrecking Crew and CIA, and they didn't have NWA type buzz at all. Eazy-E's solo album was dropped before NWA's group album, and the buzz from Eazy and his genuine street cred gave NWA credibility and a buzz that it otherwise wouldn't have had.

    If Eazy found another great producer outside of Dre (which I think he could have done since he loved to go clubbing and his boy MC Ren was already rapping), there's a decent chance Eazy would have found another good producer and put some other rappers on. Many have said this and it's why many say Eazy-E is the godfather of gangsta rap, and he damn well could be.

    I agree with the bolded. Dre and Cube did indeed switch their style up. But the fact remains they were making records together, with Yella before they hooked up with Eazy. So if you want to get technical, the NWA family tree started with Dre and Yella in the World Class Wrecking Crew and then they hooked up with Ice Cube and eventually they got down with Eazy and Ren.

    That's all I have to say. I'm not going to repeat the same thing over and over again.

    Mods can you please lock this thread.

    Lol I hear you, Dre and Yella were making music before Eazy did but as far as NWA itself and on its own, Eazy's persona, style, and lifestyle were crucial to NWA being as big as they became. Dre, Cube and Yella on their own would have been another version of Sugarhill Gang. In fact, that's what they were on their road too without Eazy. MC Ren being a hard MC rubbed off on everyone else too.

    Eazy's lifestyle, finances, and persona turned them into the super group we know but I see what you saying. Dre's shiny suits says a lot about him before NWA lol
  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Bronx, NY birthplace of hip-hopPosts: 14,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jabu_Rule wrote: »
    Jabu_Rule wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Stiff wrote: »
    If it wasnt for Eazy, Dr.Dre prolly wouldve ended up an r&b producer

    He wouldn'tve gotten on that path to make Chronic and put snoop on

    True, but then again, maybe things would be better for the Black community if NWA never formed and Dre became an R & B producer.

    I think R&B as a genre is more desirable than gangsta rap. Gangsta rap has ruined a lot of people's minds. They grow up wanting to be thugs instead of going to college and getting a degree and making something of themselves. I can't place the blame squarely on gangsta rap's shoulders, but I think gangsta rap hurts the community more than it helps.

    I disagree but I get what you saying. You can't blame gangsta rap for ruining communities, bad parenting and bad economies is what ruins communities. And some kids will be bad asses regardless in rare cases, but that's bigger than music. And being a good parent is beyond putting food on the table and paying the rent or mortgage.

    You discounted the infiltration of state sanctioned Drugs (mafia, right wing cartels) and the marginalization of black communities that was a remnant of the destruction of the black power movement which ended in riots that made the LA riots look tame.

    I agree, I did leave that out. Reagan and his CIA helped dealers from Central and South America sell and push drugs in the hood and other places to buy American guns. And when the govt brought Black power groups down, many programs that were set up and were being set up were destroyed, further bringing down Black communities.

    All this has done more harm to Blacks then gangsta rap, which is only describing what's going on anyway.

    What's crazy is all that happened after Jim Crow and slavery. But we put our last efforts to be free into the Black Power movement since they kept fucking up all of our attempts to actually be separate and equal. The white man been had his foot on our neck and even today, they shitting our our Black Lives Matter movement with Glenn Beck an his All Lives Matter march. But gangsta rap made them do it.

    Black communities and Black families were more together before total integration (which lowered poverty but created other problems long term), and I still SMH when I think of the many times in history White folk burned down or attacked Black towns because Blacks weren't spending money in their White neighborhoods.

    Glenn Beck can hold his stupid march all he wants, the reality is that if a Black guy kills a cop or white guy, he more then likely will get caught and arrested. But an unarmed Black guy getting choked to death on camera doesn't even bring an indictment.
    skpjr78Jabu_Rule
  • ShizlanskyShizlansky Posts: 35,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just because you're the money don't mean shit.

    Dre is the key to the start of NWA.

    That's like coming up with Google but you used Wells Fargo to fund it and saying Wells Fargo is the reason for Google instead of the ppl that acutally out it together.
    (Really though?)
    Melqart
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    Jabu_Rule wrote: »

    What's crazy is all that happened after Jim Crow and slavery. But we put our last efforts to be free into the Black Power movement since they kept fucking up all of our attempts to actually be separate and equal. The white man been had his foot on our neck and even today, they shitting our our Black Lives Matter movement with Glenn Beck an his All Lives Matter march. But gangsta rap made them do it.





    according to ya boy @5 Grand thats exactly what happened. regeanomics had nothing to do with it. neitheer did the lapd, the drugs, or instituional racism. according to him gangsta rap ruined everybody's mind. not the drugs that were intentionally placed in our communities but eazy e and gangsta rap.
    5 Grand wrote: »
    True, but then again, maybe things would be better for the Black community if NWA never formed and Dre became an R & B producer.

    I think R&B as a genre is more desirable than gangsta rap. Gangsta rap has ruined a lot of people's minds. They grow up wanting to be thugs instead of going to college and getting a degree and making something of themselves. I can't place the blame squarely on gangsta rap's shoulders, but I think gangsta rap hurts the community more than it helps.

    Jabu_Rule
  • J.J._EvansJ.J._Evans Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey @5 Grand .

    Your hero Melle Mel and a couple others that you love, just finished selling out for MacLemore.......LOL
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2015
    https://youtu.be/kwFcIPlrC6k
    

    dre, ren and eazy knew each other before the wcwc. dre was a local dj while eazy was a party promtoer. both eazy and dre where in high powered productions as well. eazy started ruthless, created nwa, bought all the talent together and paid for the studio time. alonzo williams didnt do that eazy mothafuckin e did. so please explain to me @5 Grand how anyone other than eric wright is responsible for nwa?
  • The_JackalThe_Jackal Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Try to throw dirt on a OG name.
    Beyond Good and Evil
    Ephesians 6:10
    skpjr78WhoisDonG???Melqart
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The_Jackal wrote: »
    Try to throw dirt on a OG name.

    Thats why ive been going at this fuck boys throat for over a week now. The nerve of this pussy n!gg@ to talk down on a legend
  • SheerExcellenceSheerExcellence I'm Faceless Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2015
    Arguing over who should get the lionsshare of the credit all day is a waste of time. Fact of matter is these guys were all lucky in that they found each other and were all talented.
    Mc ren is a respected lyricist that was a great emcee and even after nwa put out an album, shock of the hour...that is a personal classic to me

    Dj yella obviously left the game alone for a while to do porn shit, and he was wildly successful in that.

    And those two are the "least successful" of the crew. There is absolutely no need for me to discuss the other three and what they did. Success wise they shit on any other group not only in hip hop but maybe in any form of music period.

    Maybe the beatles and rolling stones can compare in terms of success in the group, outsude the group and in various other business ventures.
    These five dudes have accounted for billions of dollars in entertainment, record labels, movies, headphones, whatever the fuck

    This was a great gathering of minds to do all this

    You guys talking about it like who is more important russell wilson, lynch, sherman, pete Carroll, etc...it's the team as a whole.


    The sum was greater than the individual parts, and everything clicked. Isn't it enough to be in awe of that alone, rather than nitpick over who told who to wear a raiders cap?


    Sorry Sierra Leone, one day we'll right the wrongs.
    skpjr78WhoisDonG???
  • skpjr78skpjr78 Posts: 7,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2015
    Arguing over who should get the lionsshare of the credit all day is a waste of time. Fact of matter is these guys were all lucky in that they found each other and were all talented.
    Mc ren is a respected lyricist that was a great emcee and even after nwa put out an album, shock of the hour...that is a personal classic to me

    Dj yella obviously left the game alone for a while to do porn shit, and he was wildly successful in that.

    And those two are the "least successful" of the crew. There is absolutely no need for me to discuss the other three and what they did. Success wise they shit on any other group not only in hip hop but maybe in any form of music period.

    Maybe the beatles and rolling stones can compare in terms of success in the group, outsude the group and in various other business ventures.
    These five dudes have accounted for billions of dollars in entertainment, record labels, movies, headphones, whatever the fuck

    This was a great gathering of minds to do all this

    You guys talking about it like who is more important russell wilson, lynch, sherman, pete Carroll, etc...it's the team as a whole.


    The sum was greater than the individual parts, and everything clicked. Isn't it enough to be in awe of that alone, rather than nitpick over who told who to wear a raiders cap?


    But who put the team together though? Would u take a guy seriously if he told you the gm had nothing to do with Seattle's success and they are only succesful b/c Richard Sherman played at Stanford b4 he got drafted? Nevermind that Sherman didnt do it by himself, or that Stanford has never been a consistent national power or that he was a little known mid round pick that every team passed on at least 4 times b4 John Schneider took him. Would you take that person seriously especially when u know that person has a history of trying to invalidate other succesful people's accomplishments?

    What if some1 told u that Jordan had nothing to do with the bulls championships and that they won 6 titles b/c pippen ran wind sprints at central arkansas. What if some1 told u that Obama only became president b/c Biden went to the univ of delaware and that Obama himself had nothing to do with it. And then you find out that same person is a gop operative whose only goal in life is to make sure Obama loses. Would u take that person seriouly?
  • RawAceRawAce Posts: 4,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    People still not gettin the "start of the family tree" concept

    Its not about discrediting anyone. Its about finding the root of the music
  • ShizlanskyShizlansky Posts: 35,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Throwing dirt on a OG?

    Nigga was taking their money.
    (Really though?)
    RawAce
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