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Colin Kaepernick refuses “to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people”...

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  • MR.CJMR.CJ Posts: 63,742 ✭✭✭✭✭
    aneed123 wrote: »
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    Back in the blacks sacrificed for the better good of the race... today we spoiled. Cats put money over everything and won't risk losing that check to stand up for what's right. It's a tough situation cuz u want ur money... but sooner or later u have to stand for something... same niggas losing they millions cuz they can't stop smoking weed but won't speak out with their platform on racial injustices cuz they scared to lose that same check. That's some backwards was shit.

    I feel what you saying, but like someone else asked "Does Kap even want to play ball anymore?" I think it's a bit much to expect niggas to give up the money they feed their families with over poor treatment that he might not even give a shit about anymore. I don't know. The players been showing their support for Kap. Isn't that enough?

    Naw its not enough... The cracker owners know niggas aint gt the courage to boycott a game.... Imagine if its the last gamef the year and ur team gotta win this wildcard game and all the blackon the team refused to play... Imagine the white tears if they lost and were eliminated from layoff contention due and the statement that would make... If its organized right the black vets who got their money and are still good nough to start and would be on the fornt line. Thats what a sacrifice is... Kap did that for us a black folk... no matter the motive homie stepped out on the limb to speak up and it cost himhis job. Other black folk need to have that same courage and selflessness... But once again its money over everything

    But other players did do the same thing Kap did. Now ya'll are starting to exaggerate. Kap was the first to take a stand and was more vocal, but other players did take a knee or do other forms of protest and others spoke out. They took the same risk he did. The difference was that many of them were more vital to their teams and weren't going to be put into this position in the first place.

    And we're not talking about money over everything. It's not like people are suggesting that players can't do what's being suggested because they need to keep their bank accounts full. We're saying many of them can't do it because if they do, they will be put in severe financial hardship and for many the statement may not be worth that. That said, I was talking more about boycotting a season as some were suggesting. If you're just talking about boycotting a game, everyone in the NFL should be able to do that with some preparation.

    I support a game boycot by the players, but I don't really think it would have the effect you guys think it would. It would piss the owners off, but they'd of course recover some of the revenue lost by withholding player pay. The real problem would be the customer base. A small percentage would understand why the players did it and not sweat it. A larger percentage would think the players were out of line, but not sweat it too much since it's just a game. A similar percentage would bash the players and may even stop supporting the NFL. Ultimately, it could hurt the NFL in the long run, which might seem good, but at the same time if it hurts the NFL, it hurts the players too.



    Yea and these owners are billionaires with other businesses


    They can missed a season
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  • Knock_TwiceKnock_Twice Getting it out the mud Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10
    blackrain wrote: »
    1. I never said that they shouldn't boycott. I don't known how you keep missing that. I said that why the probably wouldn't. Those are 2 different words.
    2. Again telling you why somebody wouldn't do something isn't near the same as saying why they can't or shouldn't.
    3. Its not a secret that people who go to school to play a major sport hope to make a career out of it. Its also not a secret that many schools give athletes schedules more geared toward keeping them eligible as opposed to actually preparing you for a career so its not a shock how many former college athletes have trouble getting a normal job if they dont go pro.
    4. Nigga the University of North Carolina literally created an entire department with fake classes designed to keep players eligible and they're about to be sanctioned for it. Ole Miss just got punished for playing players who weren't academicly eligible. Derrick Rose entire season at Memphis was wiped away because he had somebody take his SAT for him and was later deemed to never been allowes to play. You can't be this naive to think this shit doesn't happen when players and teams been getting penalized for it all the time. The starting qb at UCLA did an interview literally this week saying it happens with players being steered toward classes and majors more designed to get them a passing grade as opposed to actually learning something

    You keep harping on what players should do as opposed to the reality of what they actually are doing. Of course they should be saving money. Of course they should have multiple streams of income but the reality is them like most people don't. You are trying to operate on how things should be as opposed to how they actually are and the reality is many players simply can't afford a lock out and to most people providing for their family today takes precedent over doing something for the future. I never said you should feel bad for them but you also can't just be that dismissive as to why they aren't doing it. Because again I say, and you have still yet to answer this for yourself, ain't too many people altruistic enough to willingly give up a year salary of any kind with no gurantee they will see that money back at some point.


    1. Breh, your hold stance is on, how niggas can't boy-cott because they have bills and how they would need money to pay for trainers which I debunked that thought with valid points. Why even make a statement like that when that shouldn't matter when ppl in here telling you that crap is irrelevant when it's not the fan fault or anybody fight, that niggas can't save 5-10% of their salary.



    2. Ok breh.



    3. Breh you can pick your own classes, what are you talking about? College athlete players can pick their own classes, with what they pick is on them and their advisers, the only thing is given are the times and days that they have to choose to fit into their football/basketball/baseball/etc schedule.


    4. Breh, again, you are re-writing the book, I never said inappropriate behavior doesn't happen on these campuses, I stated that these so call ppl that you are saying steering these ppl is silly. Created fake classes/fake grades has nothing do with what we are talking about breh. Breh, aight, if that helps your point about kids choosing easy classes, then kudos. You still haven't answered the question about these players struggling about getting certain shit?


    5. Breh, I've answered that question many times. Breh, I don't rely on (one) income and anybody that does that's making that type of money, should try not to.

    6. Reality is players can't save/afford to not do a boy-cott is what you're standing on? Ok breh. But players will end up broke at the end of their career because they can't save/afford to save and are living paycheck to paycheck See how silly your statement is? They can't afford to save (now 8/10/17) and boy-cott and they can't turn around and start saving like you said, yet at the end of their careers they will still be broke? eh. With these 2 statements you said, it's reality and they should keep playing?

    Again, reality, they still will be broke after their career ends right? So again, how is not boy-cotting (today) is gonna change their financial status (broke) when they retire (broke)
    Chi Snowdnyce215Meester
  • blackrainblackrain Posts: 26,279 Regulator
    1. You still dont get thus basic point. I don't know how its going over your head but I broke it down as simply as I could.
    2. Yes you pick your own classes but again when it comes to athletes the main point is to keep them eligible so, and plenty players have confirmed this over and over again, athletes are often given easier schedules or fake classes in order to keep their gpa up so they can play. Like I said UCLA starting qb literally just spoke about this a couple days ago. And with this statement I'm doubting if youve ever even been to college because for the athletes who are serious about their education and want certain majors you run into another issue which is certain classes are only offered at certain times so if you're an athlete but a class that's mandatory for your major conflicts with your practice schedule you think the coach or the school is going to rearrange everything so you can take that one class? Hell no. You literally can look up athletes talking about how they either bullshitted their way classes or were given grades without even showing up. Or like I said with the UNC example stuff literally being made up to keep them eligible. Idk how you think college works but it ain't as simple as pick your classes and go.
    3. Players getting steered to classes and certain majors does happen. Again you have players former and current say it happens. You can't just dismiss them saying it happens simply becauae you don't want to believe it anr change your stance with the new information. And yes some players do struggle at times. Unlike alot of college students they're not working and the small stipends they get only goes so far. Once again going back to the documentary you really should watch you have some schools that give a $30 per weekend stipend. Now if you think that's enough to get all the things you need while in college again I question just how much you know about the cost of actually living on a college campus especially in certain cities with a high cost of living.
    4. Once again you're saying what you think it should be as opposed to what it is. Its great you have more than one stream of income. Reality is most people don't. And even with your multiple streams of income I seriously doubt you'd willingly go without one for a full year even with having multiple other streams.
    5. Not boycotting today means they still have an income and the ability to start saving correctly as we all agree they should be doing. Thus preventing them from being broke later. Its not that many retire broke, though some do, its that many don't adjust their cost of living to reflect the change in income and still live as if that next big check is going to come in. That's what leads to many going broke so soon after they retire.
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  • Knock_TwiceKnock_Twice Getting it out the mud Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    blackrain wrote: »
    1. You still dont get thus basic point. I don't know how its going over your head but I broke it down as simply as I could.
    2. Yes you pick your own classes but again when it comes to athletes the main point is to keep them eligible so, and plenty players have confirmed this over and over again, athletes are often given easier schedules or fake classes in order to keep their gpa up so they can play. Like I said UCLA starting qb literally just spoke about this a couple days ago. And with this statement I'm doubting if youve ever even been to college because for the athletes who are serious about their education and want certain majors you run into another issue which is certain classes are only offered at certain times so if you're an athlete but a class that's mandatory for your major conflicts with your practice schedule you think the coach or the school is going to rearrange everything so you can take that one class? Hell no. You literally can look up athletes talking about how they either bullshitted their way classes or were given grades without even showing up. Or like I said with the UNC example stuff literally being made up to keep them eligible. Idk how you think college works but it ain't as simple as pick your classes and go.
    3. Players getting steered to classes and certain majors does happen. Again you have players former and current say it happens. You can't just dismiss them saying it happens simply becauae you don't want to believe it anr change your stance with the new information. And yes some players do struggle at times. Unlike alot of college students they're not working and the small stipends they get only goes so far. Once again going back to the documentary you really should watch you have some schools that give a $30 per weekend stipend. Now if you think that's enough to get all the things you need while in college again I question just how much you know about the cost of actually living on a college campus especially in certain cities with a high cost of living.
    4. Once again you're saying what you think it should be as opposed to what it is. Its great you have more than one stream of income. Reality is most people don't. And even with your multiple streams of income I seriously doubt you'd willingly go without one for a full year even with having multiple other streams.
    5. Not boycotting today means they still have an income and the ability to start saving correctly as we all agree they should be doing. Thus preventing them from being broke later. Its not that many retire broke, though some do, its that many don't adjust their cost of living to reflect the change in income and still live as if that next big check is going to come in. That's what leads to many going broke so soon after they retire.


    5. You a few posts ago stated that it's not an instant turn-around to start saving and now you're stating/suggesting that they can start saving, but I thought this would be a hard job to do as you stated along with another poster? So now, if they don't boy-cott, they won't be living paycheck to paycheck? and now they can save is what you're saying? Now, you're saying it's not that many that retire broke after you stated that most players in the league are living paycheck to paycheck and don't save and that we as fans/who want the boy-cott should take that into consideration that they don't save, but now you're saying that they don't retire broke? Lol. Breh, you're saving face and all over the place. No diss either it's not even that serious, just barbershop talk wit me, but your talking points are invalid and weak. You stated all these trends and that 95% of ppl don't save but now you stated that most don't retire broke and threw in the (net) and said that (though some do) Lol, Ok breh,

    What's the percentage that don't retire broke? if they are living paycheck to paycheck like you stated, you stating that these players (many) don't retire broke after your career, but some do? How is that breh? They only have (one) income remember.



    4. Reality is that most ppl making 500k in 4 months (should) have multiple streams of income, Let's keep the light on this sector of ppl that are getting 6 figure salaries on a yearly base. Which goes back to what I been saying, save yo money.
    If I'm making 500-2 million dollars a year breh, I can live off the interest I get from off that, especially if I'm a 5-8 year veteran, my interest of the funds that is accumulated in my bank accounts alone would be enough on top of the other streams of income that these players would/could be making. Excuses breh You never heard of ppl living off the interest of their savings? cacs do it all the time that are making this type of money.



    3. Breh, What players are struggling financial in 2017? hell what players have been struggling in the past 5 years at these cacs schools? Small stipends goes so far? What does that even mean breh?? How far does it suppose to go? See another empty statement with no substance you just made.
    So these 5, 4, 3 star recruits in 2017 are getting $30 dollars a weekend? Breh come on. This aint 1995 I keep saying. Breh, when you're college, these schools have it setup for you that you don't really have to spend a dime, you got cafeterias that provide you with several food options (meal plans, you can actually pick a certain type) you have housing/boarding that comes with free Wi-Fi/study areas/recreational area, and computer/stations-centers, state of the art libraries, transportation to get you from and to around campus and these are perks for the regular student that's not playing sports. What is you talking about breh? Breh, what does a college football/athlete player at Bama/LSU/FSU/OSU or any cac institution and HBCU have to pay for that's a necessity?



    2. Breh, please stop it, U do know at these cac schools their are designated kids that take notes for these players, they sit in the back of the class and take notes, these players can show up to class and take their own notes or they can get it from the kids that are designated to take notes in that class. The whole part about the classes not being offered at a certain time of the day is silly breh. So you're telling me if a players that wants to major in EE (Electrical Engineering wouldn't be able to if they don't offer the classes around his schedule? Breh, really, you really stating this? Ok breh. Breh a player BS'n through classes falls on who? Them right, it's their fault if they chose not to learn and not show up and take the shit serious.


    1. Ok, breh, you broke it down.
  • blackrainblackrain Posts: 26,279 Regulator
    edited August 10
    You are confusing yourself with these points you're trying to make. I said players can start saving now or at any point to begin to prevent them from living check to check...I didn't say they would sew results over night. Hence me saying they can start. You still harping on a percentage I said was intentionally exaggerated. That alone is showing you dont understand a good portion of what you're debating.
    2. Yes I know peoplr can live off their interest but if as you've already acknowledged alot of players dont havr savings lined up then what interest would they accumulate to live off of? Again speak on what's actually happening not what you think should be happening.
    3. Yes schools provide things for the students...but you know what? Meal points aren't endless. They do run out. And again you still need money just to do basic shit. You think even something as simpme as laundry is free? Books, clothes, even just wanted to chill and go out like any other college student. That shit ain't free...and if you're coming from a place where your family already ain't got it then you still won't have it when you get to college. I don't know why you keep ignorimg the fact that you have players speaking about these things today. Unless you're calling them all liars I suggest you actually go look at the things they're saying.
    4. You're further proving my point about these schools not properly preparing these athletes for anything other than sports with shit like having people take notes and attend class for them. And no you can't just make a class magically fit your schedule because anyone who has been to college know that there are certain classes offered only once or twice a year at specific times and there's no negotiating that. For instance in my major there were two mandatory courses that came with a weekly lab session every Wednesday afternoon and another that was every Thursday fall semester of my junior year. Now had I been an athlete guess what that means? I would have had to switch majors because those classes were only offered in the fall and they would have clashed with the time my schools football team practiced. Stuff like that does determine what classes students take and what majors they pick.
    MR.CJ
  • stringer bellstringer bell Posts: 23,078 ✭✭✭✭✭
    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/08/no-country-for-colin-kaepernick/536340/
    No Country for Colin Kaepernick

    It’s very possible that the activist-athlete will never take another snap in the NFL.

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  • stringer bellstringer bell Posts: 23,078 ✭✭✭✭✭
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20327882/oakland-raiders-marshawn-lynch-remains-seated-national-anthem
    Raiders' Lynch remains seated during anthem

    Marshawn Lynch appeared to stage a silent protest in his return to the NFL, as the Oakland Raiders' running back remained seated during the national anthem prior to the team's 20-10 loss to the Arizona Cardinals.

    Photos show Lynch, who suited up but did not play, sitting on a cooler while holding a banana during the anthem.

    Lynch has talked to the media once since he came out of retirement and was acquired in a trade with the Seattle Seahawks last spring, and that was in the offseason program.

    Raiders coach Jack Del Rio said he spoke with Lynch after the game and was not aware that he planned to sit.

    "[Lynch] said, 'This is something I've done for 11 years, it's not a form of anything other than me being myself.' I said, 'So, you understand how I feel. I very strongly believe in standing for the national anthem but I'm going to respect you as a man. You do your thing and we'll do ours. So, that's a non-issue for me," Del Rio said.

    Raiders quarterback E.J. Manuel said the team supports Lynch, adding the decision was "more of a personal thing" for him.


    Lynch was not in the NFL during Colin Kaepernick's kneeling protest against racism and police brutality last season but has previously expressed his opinion on Kaepernick's action.

    Kaepernick remains an unsigned free agent.
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  • TrillfateTrillfate "i used to like the Ride more now i like the Race...i used like the Prize more now i like the Chase" Posts: 23,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So ILL wrote: »
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    White feelings coming soon.

    Lol of course he wont even take a knee :joy:

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  • So ILLSo ILL Posts: 15,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lol @ white ppl in their feelings. I been to sporting events and I see white ppl in the stands sitting during national anthem
    They don't stand at home either, with their fake outrage-having asses.
    dnyce215Maywood
  • stringer bellstringer bell Posts: 23,078 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • northside7northside7 Posts: 24,482 ✭✭✭✭✭
    People on both sides planning on boycotting.
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  • buddyrobuddyro Posts: 34 ✭✭
    northside7 wrote: »
    People on both sides planning on boycotting.

    Won't happen
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  • PlutarchPlutarch A Tribe Called Fresh Philly, PA, by way of Ca$hville, TNPosts: 3,201 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is so stupid. People (i.e., both sides) are stupid. Why is it so hard for people to get over themselves? Let that man live his life.

    Like people have been saying, we're now making so much more of the effects of the initial protest(s) rather than the cause of the initial protest(s). Ridiculous.

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  • dnyce215dnyce215 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭✭
    Mike Bennett of the Seahawks sat today during the anthem
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