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Christian: "Logic is the devil's work and has nothing to do with faith"

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  • soul rattlersoul rattler Chief Petty Officer of the Ill Community Naval Command HOOYAHPosts: 18,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Faith in biblical terms has always been about logic.

    Nah, faith is basically the opposite of logic. The Bible says "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen." Basically, faith leads you to believe something when there is no logical reason you should. The Bible doesn't say that you shouldn't exercise logic in your daily life. It just says that you should be led by your faith in God first and foremost.

    It's a misconception that that verse is in support of illogical belief...it's doesn't say the evidence itself is unseen. It says things that are unseen left evidence. Im sure you can think of a few examples of this.

    The standard always been:
    John 10: 37 "If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; 38but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

    People were ALWAYS given evidence thst God is who he said he is and that the people who sent by him really were.

    That is a contradiction. (The bible has plenty of contradictions)

    The same bible that requires you to believe without evidence says that your belief will be validated by the very evidence that you won't have anyway.
    do you understand what im getting at?? WHAT WHITE PPL THINK, AND WHAT THEY DEFINE THINGS AS IS NOT THE STANDARD YOU SHOULD BE GOING BY. That is of course, if you are not mentally defeated by the complex of white supremacy, where everything whites do is the "right" way, where having straight hair and lightskin is "beautiful" but dark skin and nappy hair is "ugly"
    You're doing it wrong. You take one and really fuck them up; make an example to the other kids. Like grab the small bitch and gouge her eyes out with your thumbs. Then curb stomp her.
    Wiggars

    I'm too militant
    For you shithead crakkka hoes
    I hope you all die
  • The Lonious MonkThe Lonious Monk Man with No Fucks Given Posts: 26,152 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Faith in biblical terms has always been about logic.

    Nah, faith is basically the opposite of logic. The Bible says "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen." Basically, faith leads you to believe something when there is no logical reason you should. The Bible doesn't say that you shouldn't exercise logic in your daily life. It just says that you should be led by your faith in God first and foremost.

    It's a misconception that that verse is in support of illogical belief...it's doesn't say the evidence itself is unseen. It says things that are unseen left evidence. Im sure you can think of a few examples of this.

    The standard always been:
    John 10: 37 "If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; 38but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

    People were ALWAYS given evidence thst God is who he said he is and that the people who sent by him really were.

    You're mincing words. The point is that your belief in God is to be based on faith not logic or empirical evidence. And typically, the "evidence" that God gives us only stands as evidence if you already have faith. That's why these debates break down. Because what is evidence to believers is often just dismissed as coincidence or statistical noise by nonbelievers.
    Niggas think that they own things and man sits high upon thrones
    But when you die, tell me what the fuck you own.
    When your skin, flesh, and bones find a permanent home
    as food for worms or fossils trapped in stone. - Rza in "What's Going On?"

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  • marc123marc123 Posts: 16,781 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28
    Christian: "Logic is the devil's work and has nothing to do with faith"
    A Christian just told me this today.

    Christians, does this sort if thinking make you proud? You don't feel embarrassed knowing that your religion requires you to not think logically?

    i stopped debating religion with ppl irl years ago. shit will give you a headache.

    if ppl wanna believe in fairy tales. sigh. I cant be bothered...
    Cleveland7venty6kingblaze84Ajackson17
  • FosheezyFosheezy AKA Flying Wonders the Diamond Mind Posts: 3,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Faith in biblical terms has always been about logic.

    Nah, faith is basically the opposite of logic. The Bible says "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen." Basically, faith leads you to believe something when there is no logical reason you should. The Bible doesn't say that you shouldn't exercise logic in your daily life. It just says that you should be led by your faith in God first and foremost.

    It's a misconception that that verse is in support of illogical belief...it's doesn't say the evidence itself is unseen. It says things that are unseen left evidence. Im sure you can think of a few examples of this.

    The standard always been:
    John 10: 37 "If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; 38but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

    People were ALWAYS given evidence thst God is who he said he is and that the people who sent by him really were.

    That is a contradiction. (The bible has plenty of contradictions)

    The same bible that requires you to believe without evidence says that your belief will be validated by the very evidence that you won't have anyway.

    You can't use the Bible to say it teaches belief without evidence as the Bible itself is understood and accepted as one of the strongest evidences for belief. Your understanding is off.

    There's no contradictions in the Bible. The contradictions come from people's own confusing way of deciding to view and twist the teachings.

  • FosheezyFosheezy AKA Flying Wonders the Diamond Mind Posts: 3,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Faith in biblical terms has always been about logic.

    Nah, faith is basically the opposite of logic. The Bible says "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen." Basically, faith leads you to believe something when there is no logical reason you should. The Bible doesn't say that you shouldn't exercise logic in your daily life. It just says that you should be led by your faith in God first and foremost.

    It's a misconception that that verse is in support of illogical belief...it's doesn't say the evidence itself is unseen. It says things that are unseen left evidence. Im sure you can think of a few examples of this.

    The standard always been:
    John 10: 37 "If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; 38but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

    People were ALWAYS given evidence thst God is who he said he is and that the people who sent by him really were.

    You're mincing words. The point is that your belief in God is to be based on faith not logic or empirical evidence. And typically, the "evidence" that God gives us only stands as evidence if you already have faith. That's why these debates break down. Because what is evidence to believers is often just dismissed as coincidence or statistical noise by nonbelievers.

    Christianity is based on faith, but there is a standard and logic to it. It doesn't have to be an exact science to have some logical basis to it.
  • BiblicalAtheist BiblicalAtheist Prude FieldsPosts: 15,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Fosheezy wrote: »
    Faith in biblical terms has always been about logic.

    Nah, faith is basically the opposite of logic. The Bible says "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen." Basically, faith leads you to believe something when there is no logical reason you should. The Bible doesn't say that you shouldn't exercise logic in your daily life. It just says that you should be led by your faith in God first and foremost.

    It's a misconception that that verse is in support of illogical belief...it's doesn't say the evidence itself is unseen. It says things that are unseen left evidence. Im sure you can think of a few examples of this.

    The standard always been:
    John 10: 37 "If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; 38but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

    People were ALWAYS given evidence thst God is who he said he is and that the people who sent by him really were.

    You're mincing words. The point is that your belief in God is to be based on faith not logic or empirical evidence. And typically, the "evidence" that God gives us only stands as evidence if you already have faith. That's why these debates break down. Because what is evidence to believers is often just dismissed as coincidence or statistical noise by nonbelievers.

    That is the only way I think god or humans can be reached; by personal outwardly unverifiable experiences. It has to happen that way because even if god lit fire to the sky, mass amount of humans would still doubt. It has to be personal, something that only you and god could know the why and how and the validity.
  • soul rattlersoul rattler Chief Petty Officer of the Ill Community Naval Command HOOYAHPosts: 18,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fosheezy wrote: »

    You can't use the Bible to say it teaches belief without evidence as the Bible itself is understood and accepted as one of the strongest evidences for belief. Your understanding is off.

    There's no contradictions in the Bible. The contradictions come from people's own confusing way of deciding to view and twist the teachings.

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    do you understand what im getting at?? WHAT WHITE PPL THINK, AND WHAT THEY DEFINE THINGS AS IS NOT THE STANDARD YOU SHOULD BE GOING BY. That is of course, if you are not mentally defeated by the complex of white supremacy, where everything whites do is the "right" way, where having straight hair and lightskin is "beautiful" but dark skin and nappy hair is "ugly"
    You're doing it wrong. You take one and really fuck them up; make an example to the other kids. Like grab the small bitch and gouge her eyes out with your thumbs. Then curb stomp her.
    Wiggars

    I'm too militant
    For you shithead crakkka hoes
    I hope you all die
    kingblaze84  Colin$mackabi$hAjackson17Mister B.
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