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Top 10 black QB's of all time

grYmesgrYmes Diversify your bonds...Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
I'm sure this topic has come up before.. but its always been for a good debate. Complex did a list about a month ago & mine is kinda similar.

1. Warren Moon
2. Donavan McNabb
3. Randall Cunningham
4. Steve McNair
5. Cam Newton
6. Michael Vick
7. Russell Wilson
8. Daunte Culpepper
9. Doug Williams
10. Colin Kaepernick

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  • ghostdog56ghostdog56 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • northside7northside7 Posts: 25,173 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Byron Leftwich? David Garrard?
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  • IbexIbex Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Doug Williams
    2. Michael Vick
    3. Donovan McNabb
    4. Randall Cunningham
    5. Steve McNair
    6. Warren Moon
    7. Cam Newton
    8. Robert Griffin III
    9. Daunte Culpepper
    10. Charlie Ward
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  • 5 Grand5 Grand Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ibex wrote: »
    1. Doug Williams
    2. Michael Vick
    3. Donovan McNabb
    4. Randall Cunningham
    5. Steve McNair
    6. Warren Moon
    7. Cam Newton
    8. Robert Griffin III
    9. Daunte Culpepper
    10. Charlie Ward

    Cosign.

    Doug Williams won a Superbowl
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  • Moore7sMoore7s Call GodPosts: 427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Moon is top 3.

    Also are u putting ward on the list soley based on fsu?
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  • its....JOHN Bits....JOHN B Posts: 19,081 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Ibex wrote: »
    1. Doug Williams
    2. Michael Vick
    3. Donovan McNabb
    4. Randall Cunningham
    5. Steve McNair
    6. Warren Moon
    7. Cam Newton
    8. Robert Griffin III
    9. Daunte Culpepper
    10. Charlie Ward

    Cosign.

    Doug Williams won a Superbowl

    Russell Wilson did too, and Ward chose the NBA
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  • 5 Grand5 Grand Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Ibex wrote: »
    1. Doug Williams
    2. Michael Vick
    3. Donovan McNabb
    4. Randall Cunningham
    5. Steve McNair
    6. Warren Moon
    7. Cam Newton
    8. Robert Griffin III
    9. Daunte Culpepper
    10. Charlie Ward

    Cosign.

    Doug Williams won a Superbowl

    Russell Wilson did too, and Ward chose the NBA

    Well I don't see how Russell Wilson and Doug Williams aren't #1 and #2.

    Winning a Superbowl>>>great statistics
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  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 23,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also Jeff Blake was good 2
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  • Moore7sMoore7s Call GodPosts: 427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    aneed123 wrote: »
    Moon number 1.

    I was thinking this, but winning a chip should count for something.

    Moon was a machine even after he wasted his youth in the cfl
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  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 23,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Moore7s wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    Moon number 1.

    I was thinking this, but winning a chip should count for something.

    Moon was a machine even after he wasted his youth in the cfl

    Naw cuz sone guys get better opportunitues than others... talent and career wise moon is the best black qb eva. He arguably was top 5 when he retired. Check his numbers.
  • grYmesgrYmes Diversify your bonds...Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mister B. wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Cosign.

    Doug Williams won a Superbowl

    Correction: he won ONE GAME, which was the Super Bowl. He didn't lead the Skins there that year, or really did anything after.

    Guys like McNabb, McNair, and Moon were franchise-changing QBs.

    He was the Bucs franchise QB when they first started. Led them to an NFC title game. That was only for a few years, not enough longevity to be high on the list.
    Check out my blog "Shit Done Changed". As I go through the most member able albums of hip hop history year-by-year.

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  • Ghost of JaemoomsGhost of Jaemooms "He didnt get banned until his city started winning.."Posts: 795 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12
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  • 5 Grand5 Grand Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5 Grand wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Ibex wrote: »
    1. Doug Williams
    2. Michael Vick
    3. Donovan McNabb
    4. Randall Cunningham
    5. Steve McNair
    6. Warren Moon
    7. Cam Newton
    8. Robert Griffin III
    9. Daunte Culpepper
    10. Charlie Ward

    Cosign.

    Doug Williams won a Superbowl

    Russell Wilson did too, and Ward chose the NBA

    Well I don't see how Russell Wilson and Doug Williams aren't #1 and #2.

    Winning a Superbowl>>>great statistics

    So Doug Williams>>>Dan Marino?

    Well Dan Marino isn't a Black quarterback so its a moot point.
    Mister B. wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Cosign.

    Doug Williams won a Superbowl

    Correction: he won ONE GAME, which was the Super Bowl. He didn't lead the Skins there that year, or really did anything after.

    Guys like McNabb, McNair, and Moon were franchise-changing QBs.

    The fact remains that Doug Williams won a Super Bowl and the other people listed didn't

    Do you know why he only won that game? Because after he won the Superbowl he tried to renegotiate his contract. He wanted to get what a Superbowl winning quarterback deserves. They low balled him so he refused to play the following year. He was technically still on the team but played zero minutes.

    I feel like he did the right thing. He wasn't on the level of Joe Montana, but I don't think he was asking for what Joe Montana was making, He just wanted to make what other starting quarterbacks were making. They wouldn't pay him so he said, "fuck ya'll".

    The #1 Black quarterback is the QB that has a ring. Statistics are irrelevant.

    Who would you choose, a QB with great statistics that you know won't win a Superbowl, or a QB with average statistics that you know will win a Superbowl?
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  • grYmesgrYmes Diversify your bonds...Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 12
    5 Grand wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Ibex wrote: »
    1. Doug Williams
    2. Michael Vick
    3. Donovan McNabb
    4. Randall Cunningham
    5. Steve McNair
    6. Warren Moon
    7. Cam Newton
    8. Robert Griffin III
    9. Daunte Culpepper
    10. Charlie Ward

    Cosign.

    Doug Williams won a Superbowl

    Russell Wilson did too, and Ward chose the NBA

    Well I don't see how Russell Wilson and Doug Williams aren't #1 and #2.

    Winning a Superbowl>>>great statistics

    So Doug Williams>>>Dan Marino?

    Well Dan Marino isn't a Black quarterback so its a moot point.
    Mister B. wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Cosign.

    Doug Williams won a Superbowl

    Correction: he won ONE GAME, which was the Super Bowl. He didn't lead the Skins there that year, or really did anything after.

    Guys like McNabb, McNair, and Moon were franchise-changing QBs.

    The fact remains that Doug Williams won a Super Bowl and the other people listed didn't

    Do you know why he only won that game? Because after he won the Superbowl he tried to renegotiate his contract. He wanted to get what a Superbowl winning quarterback deserves. They low balled him so he refused to play the following year. He was technically still on the team but played zero minutes.

    I feel like he did the right thing. He wasn't on the level of Joe Montana, but I don't think he was asking for what Joe Montana was making, He just wanted to make what other starting quarterbacks were making. They wouldn't pay him so he said, "fuck ya'll".

    The #1 Black quarterback is the QB that has a ring. Statistics are irrelevant.

    Who would you choose, a QB with great statistics that you know won't win a Superbowl, or a QB with average statistics that you know will win a Superbowl?

    Just winning a Super Bowl doesn’t make you a great QB, right place right time.

    Come on now, I’m a Redskins fan and I wouldn’t put Williams up there like that. He was so-so that year but was only good coming off the bench. When he got his act together as a starter he finally replaced Jay Schroeder for the playoffs.

    After that Super Bowl Williams played pretty average kept getting hurt. It wasn’t the Redskins who low balled him it was Tampa back in the day. That’s why he left for the USFL. Mark Rippin took over as starter in ‘89 and Williams was done.

    Williams will always be a great as far as what he did for the race, but there’s far better QBs before and since then. Shit, Warren Moon is in the Hall of Fame and was better for way longer. Williams had his moment in the sun but it was just a moment.
    Check out my blog "Shit Done Changed". As I go through the most member able albums of hip hop history year-by-year.

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  • Moore7sMoore7s Call GodPosts: 427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    aneed123 wrote: »
    Moore7s wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    Moon number 1.

    I was thinking this, but winning a chip should count for something.

    Moon was a machine even after he wasted his youth in the cfl

    Naw cuz sone guys get better opportunitues than others... talent and career wise moon is the best black qb eva. He arguably was top 5 when he retired. Check his numbers.

    No argument out of me. I personally have moon top 3. Just not sure how to rank him against someone like Mcnabb who had a better overall team
  • 5 Grand5 Grand Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭✭
    5 Grand wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Ibex wrote: »
    1. Doug Williams
    2. Michael Vick
    3. Donovan McNabb
    4. Randall Cunningham
    5. Steve McNair
    6. Warren Moon
    7. Cam Newton
    8. Robert Griffin III
    9. Daunte Culpepper
    10. Charlie Ward

    Cosign.

    Doug Williams won a Superbowl

    Russell Wilson did too, and Ward chose the NBA

    Well I don't see how Russell Wilson and Doug Williams aren't #1 and #2.

    Winning a Superbowl>>>great statistics

    So Doug Williams>>>Dan Marino?

    Well Dan Marino isn't a Black quarterback so its a moot point.
    Mister B. wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    Cosign.

    Doug Williams won a Superbowl

    Correction: he won ONE GAME, which was the Super Bowl. He didn't lead the Skins there that year, or really did anything after.

    Guys like McNabb, McNair, and Moon were franchise-changing QBs.

    The fact remains that Doug Williams won a Super Bowl and the other people listed didn't

    Do you know why he only won that game? Because after he won the Superbowl he tried to renegotiate his contract. He wanted to get what a Superbowl winning quarterback deserves. They low balled him so he refused to play the following year. He was technically still on the team but played zero minutes.

    I feel like he did the right thing. He wasn't on the level of Joe Montana, but I don't think he was asking for what Joe Montana was making, He just wanted to make what other starting quarterbacks were making. They wouldn't pay him so he said, "fuck ya'll".

    The #1 Black quarterback is the QB that has a ring. Statistics are irrelevant.

    Who would you choose, a QB with great statistics that you know won't win a Superbowl, or a QB with average statistics that you know will win a Superbowl?

    I’m taking Dan Marino over Doug Williams

    So you'd take a QB that didn't win a Superbowl over a QB that did win a Superbowl?

    Think about what you're saying.

    The most important thing in football is winning the Superbowl. I don't care if your record is 9-7 and you made it to the playoffs as a wildcard team, if you win the Superbowl you're the best team. At least you're the best team that year.
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  • Moore7sMoore7s Call GodPosts: 427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "@5 Grand" u buggin

    Football is a team sport and is very situational. If I'm starting a franchise I 100% take Marino over Williams.
  • grYmesgrYmes Diversify your bonds...Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 13
    Winning the Super Bowl doesn’t historically make you a great QB. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and so many others have won but more because of the team around them. They didn’t have the stats, clutch performances or longevity to be considered greats individually.

    All time greats like Marino, Dan Fouts & Warren Moon are light years ahead of Williams and others. They just didn’t have the D or didn’t have the breaks to win it all.

    Taking Doug Williams overall just because he won a Super Bowl over Marino puts your football common sense on notice.

    Check out my blog "Shit Done Changed". As I go through the most member able albums of hip hop history year-by-year.

    http://ishdonechanged.blogspot.com/
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