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  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 23,732 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7
    gemini86 wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    gemini86 wrote: »
    I fucked w some of that southern shit though. TI, Jeezy, Luda and krit probably my favorite artist after k.dot n j.cole right now. But I get what u saying, alot of that other shit be super dumbed down musik

    J Cole is from the South. That's the problem Y'all think South = GA. Y'all mean you don't like rapping Georgians under 30...but you say South. Pusha T, Malice, Pharell/Neptunes, Timbaland, Missy, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, and Skillz are some of the rappers/R&B artist from VA alone.

    Those are all dope artist. Why aren’t they in the forefront? Y’all rather push 21 savage and migos than the dope artist y’all have. See this is the issue I have with the south. It’s like you know you love stupid ignorant shit but then like to hide behind artist who you think are “smart and conscious.”

    Y’all niggas tried to paint Kevin Gates as smart and that nigga wild retarded. Posting up inspirational quotes and have the nerve to post his picture. That’s the nigga y’all look up to?

    As much as I think 3K is overrated, I wish artist from the south like him was leading the charge. Shit even Wayne. There’s no denying that the south runs the radio airwaves for hip hop. And y’all choose to play the dumb shit.

    who are u to tell the south what to like or push?..yall booed outkast now wanna turn around and big up dre now... think ,about all the southern artist who got no shine in the 90s and 2000s that yall gave no fucks about who made better music than what we hear today? maybe the rap gods are punishing u for that lol. its crazy cuz the south been liking the bass heavy hook heavy non lyrical shit but the narrative is oh look at the good ole days even tho we talked shit about yall then we wish yall made music like that cuz now its trash naw .... lol

    i respect it. look all im saying is it would be good if rap lyrics meant something all across the board or at least the majority of it. shit is really looking kids boppish. its good to have a good time but if that shit dont change, 10 years from now its gonna be a complete joke. im speaking for me, hearing a song with just adlibs and bass is just retarded. and its an insult to my intelligence and i would like to think it is for our people as a whole. yea the gangsta rap shit is ignorant as well and that should be the extent of it. because its real shit and they putting their life and soul into the music. can we agree on that?

    my thing is this tho... rap is a representation of the times.... We are the old heads now... the youngins are poppin pills tight clothes wearing weirdos... That's they shit and they like the music they like period.... who are we to tell them what to party to, what to bump in they whip or what to enjoy? We gotta accept that reality, like what we like and keep it movin.
    Matike85rip.dilla
  • black caesarblack caesar Posts: 11,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8
    Charlamagne admits he was bias


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  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 23,732 ✭✭✭✭✭
    aneed123 wrote: »
    gemini86 wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    gemini86 wrote: »
    I fucked w some of that southern shit though. TI, Jeezy, Luda and krit probably my favorite artist after k.dot n j.cole right now. But I get what u saying, alot of that other shit be super dumbed down musik

    J Cole is from the South. That's the problem Y'all think South = GA. Y'all mean you don't like rapping Georgians under 30...but you say South. Pusha T, Malice, Pharell/Neptunes, Timbaland, Missy, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, and Skillz are some of the rappers/R&B artist from VA alone.

    Those are all dope artist. Why aren’t they in the forefront? Y’all rather push 21 savage and migos than the dope artist y’all have. See this is the issue I have with the south. It’s like you know you love stupid ignorant shit but then like to hide behind artist who you think are “smart and conscious.”

    Y’all niggas tried to paint Kevin Gates as smart and that nigga wild retarded. Posting up inspirational quotes and have the nerve to post his picture. That’s the nigga y’all look up to?

    As much as I think 3K is overrated, I wish artist from the south like him was leading the charge. Shit even Wayne. There’s no denying that the south runs the radio airwaves for hip hop. And y’all choose to play the dumb shit.

    who are u to tell the south what to like or push?..yall booed outkast now wanna turn around and big up dre now... think ,about all the southern artist who got no shine in the 90s and 2000s that yall gave no fucks about who made better music than what we hear today? maybe the rap gods are punishing u for that lol. its crazy cuz the south been liking the bass heavy hook heavy non lyrical shit but the narrative is oh look at the good ole days even tho we talked shit about yall then we wish yall made music like that cuz now its trash naw .... lol

    i respect it. look all im saying is it would be good if rap lyrics meant something all across the board or at least the majority of it. shit is really looking kids boppish. its good to have a good time but if that shit dont change, 10 years from now its gonna be a complete joke. im speaking for me, hearing a song with just adlibs and bass is just retarded. and its an insult to my intelligence and i would like to think it is for our people as a whole. yea the gangsta rap shit is ignorant as well and that should be the extent of it. because its real shit and they putting their life and soul into the music. can we agree on that?

    my thing is this tho... rap is a representation of the times.... We are the old heads now... the youngins are poppin pills tight clothes wearing weirdos... That's they shit and they like the music they like period.... who are we to tell them what to party to, what to bump in they whip or what to enjoy? We gotta accept that reality, like what we like and keep it movin.

    I hear that and for me spittin' about takin' drugs can't be worse than spittin' about sellin' drugs, the difference is that now niggas don't care about the quality of their lyrics.

    80s niggas didn't like 90s content but they didn't say the 90s guys can't rap.

    some can rap they just doin they own thing Young Thug is a good example. He can spit. But he on that wayne ye singing shit and his high pitch voice and weirdo pseudo gay antics turn folk off so they automatically scream trash. Naw dude can rap. Kodak black makes good music ... It took me a while to give him a try but he last album had some real shit on it. So my point is we are real quick to assume and dismiss. I remember being young bumpin what I liked in the 90s and old heads calling the same groups and artist we call legends now in UGK project Pat, Hot boys, Pastor Troy No limit wack.
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  • bow to royaltybow to royalty Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    gemini86 wrote: »
    gemini86 wrote: »
    I fucked w some of that southern shit though. TI, Jeezy, Luda and krit probably my favorite artist after k.dot n j.cole right now. But I get what u saying, alot of that other shit be super dumbed down musik

    J Cole is from the South. That's the problem Y'all think South = GA. Y'all mean you don't like rapping Georgians under 30...but you say South. Pusha T, Malice, Pharell/Neptunes, Timbaland, Missy, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, and Skillz are some of the rappers/R&B artist from VA alone.

    Those are all dope artist. Why aren’t they in the forefront? Y’all rather push 21 savage and migos than the dope artist y’all have. See this is the issue I have with the south. It’s like you know you love stupid ignorant shit but then like to hide behind artist who you think are “smart and conscious.”

    Y’all niggas tried to paint Kevin Gates as smart and that nigga wild retarded. Posting up inspirational quotes and have the nerve to post his picture. That’s the nigga y’all look up to?

    As much as I think 3K is overrated, I wish artist from the south like him was leading the charge. Shit even Wayne. There’s no denying that the south runs the radio airwaves for hip hop. And y’all choose to play the dumb shit.

    Bruh, who is y'all? NY radio doesn't play 21 Savage and Migos? And like I said all 4 of them are Georgians under 30. Who are the 21 Savages/Migos/Yachty's of VA? Of North Carolina? Of D.C.?

    The real problem is you got too old for the music. And I'm not knocking you for it because I did too. But people like a 42 year old 3 Stacks aren't gonna lead the charge.

    NY rap failed imo because y'all didn't successfully pass the baton to the new generation. That's why Jay, Fab/Jada, Cam/Mase are getting more attention than anyone else from NY right now, and they're all over 40. Who's in the forefront for NY? Cardi and Nicki?

    See you're reading comprehension skills are failing you again.

    He didn't say 3K, he said an artist LIKE 3K.

    Ok, well I said "like" too then. Go sit somewhere with that dumb shit, haha

    then why would you mention his age specifically? dont be stupid. try to have a good discussion without deflecting and trying to get the last laugh

    Because that still is my point, if you'd read. He's old. The sound of new ATL artist isn't 3 Stacks sound. So whoever nigga. 3000, Big Boi, Dungeon Family, Arrested Development isn't the style you're going to hear out of young Atlanta artists.

    Get off this crybaby, finger ponting bullshit. You're from one of the biggest cities in the world, with some of the biggest record labels, and biggest radio stations. Stop acting like the South is bullying NY into music. NY niggas fuck with popular Southern rap, and contribute to it's popularity too.

    When you hear Migos, Future, or Lil whoever on the radio stop blaming the South for it.

    And your dumbass still not comprehending. Cuz he wasn't talking bout a "sound" of artist, he was talking bout their ability as RAPPERS. SMH

    You root for the right team. the Bucs are underwhelming and so are reading skills.

    Lyrical rap isn't the sound in ATL right now. It's not like there's a nigga that stole Migos/Future/Yachty's flow, but has Nas' content. So ya, like I said...Lyrical rap isn't the SOUND you're going to get from these young artist out of Atlanta. The music is more about energy than lyricism.
    Matike85
  • joeyfkncrakkjoeyfkncrakk Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cam is Poppa Doc and Mase was Em from 8 mile
    Matike85gemini86SionIceBergTaylor
  • gemini86gemini86 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cam is Poppa Doc and Mase was Em from 8 mile

    I memorized all of papa docs lyrics I’m the last battle against Em

  • bow to royaltybow to royalty Posts: 3,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    gemini86 wrote: »
    gemini86 wrote: »
    gemini86 wrote: »
    I fucked w some of that southern shit though. TI, Jeezy, Luda and krit probably my favorite artist after k.dot n j.cole right now. But I get what u saying, alot of that other shit be super dumbed down musik

    J Cole is from the South. That's the problem Y'all think South = GA. Y'all mean you don't like rapping Georgians under 30...but you say South. Pusha T, Malice, Pharell/Neptunes, Timbaland, Missy, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, and Skillz are some of the rappers/R&B artist from VA alone.

    Those are all dope artist. Why aren’t they in the forefront? Y’all rather push 21 savage and migos than the dope artist y’all have. See this is the issue I have with the south. It’s like you know you love stupid ignorant shit but then like to hide behind artist who you think are “smart and conscious.”

    Y’all niggas tried to paint Kevin Gates as smart and that nigga wild retarded. Posting up inspirational quotes and have the nerve to post his picture. That’s the nigga y’all look up to?

    As much as I think 3K is overrated, I wish artist from the south like him was leading the charge. Shit even Wayne. There’s no denying that the south runs the radio airwaves for hip hop. And y’all choose to play the dumb shit.

    Bruh, who is y'all? NY radio doesn't play 21 Savage and Migos? And like I said all 4 of them are Georgians under 30. Who are the 21 Savages/Migos/Yachty's of VA? Of North Carolina? Of D.C.?

    The real problem is you got too old for the music. And I'm not knocking you for it because I did too. But people like a 42 year old 3 Stacks aren't gonna lead the charge.

    NY rap failed imo because y'all didn't successfully pass the baton to the new generation. That's why Jay, Fab/Jada, Cam/Mase are getting more attention than anyone else from NY right now, and they're all over 40. Who's in the forefront for NY? Cardi and Nicki?

    See you're reading comprehension skills are failing you again.

    He didn't say 3K, he said an artist LIKE 3K.

    Ok, well I said "like" too then. Go sit somewhere with that dumb shit, haha

    then why would you mention his age specifically? dont be stupid. try to have a good discussion without deflecting and trying to get the last laugh

    Because that still is my point, if you'd read. He's old. The sound of new ATL artist isn't 3 Stacks sound. So whoever nigga. 3000, Big Boi, Dungeon Family, Arrested Development isn't the style you're going to hear out of young Atlanta artists.

    Get off this crybaby, finger ponting bullshit. You're from one of the biggest cities in the world, with some of the biggest record labels, and biggest radio stations. Stop acting like the South is bullying NY into music. NY niggas fuck with popular Southern rap, and contribute to it's popularity too.

    When you hear Migos, Future, or Lil whoever on the radio stop blaming the South for it.

    And your dumbass still not comprehending. Cuz he wasn't talking bout a "sound" of artist, he was talking bout their ability as RAPPERS. SMH

    You root for the right team. the Bucs are underwhelming and so are reading skills.

    Lyrical rap isn't the sound in ATL right now. It's not like there's a nigga that stole Migos/Future/Yachty's flow, but has Nas' content. So ya, like I said...Lyrical rap isn't the SOUND you're going to get from these young artist out of Atlanta. The music is more about energy than lyricism.

    And that’s my point about it being dumbed down. You don’t think it’s a problem that niggas can say googoo gagga for 3 mins on a whole track and as long as the beat is good and it’s up tempo, people are loving it. Why don’t we want better?

    I agree with you. I do like the music in certain times and places, but yea it's not impressive. Not really a big display of talent. But again, we're old (for the music). The time and places that the music is good, are the time and places I'm in less now. Make me 20-21 again, and it's a different story.
  • esco sopranoesco soprano Jersey bredPosts: 2,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mr.LV wrote: »

    49 plus pages I'm sure everyone knows by now it was Jay girl which is why he started gettin' at him.
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  • natural born sinnersnatural born sinners Posts: 5,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mr.LV wrote: »

    49 plus pages I'm sure everyone knows by now it was Jay girl which is why he started gettin' at him.

    This gonna sound chatty patty, but wtf...what chu talking bout willis?
    Tommy bilfigerblackgod813Mr 202
  • Mr 202Mr 202 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mr.LV wrote: »

    49 plus pages I'm sure everyone knows by now it was Jay girl which is why he started gettin' at him.

    Fake news
  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 23,732 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mr 202 wrote: »
    Mr.LV wrote: »

    49 plus pages I'm sure everyone knows by now it was Jay girl which is why he started gettin' at him.

    Fake news

    mase hit kim and one of jay girls back then... sound the king of rap girl line has 2 bodies on it big and jay supposedly
    Matike85
  • 5 Grand5 Grand Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    aneed123 wrote: »
    Mr 202 wrote: »
    Mr.LV wrote: »

    49 plus pages I'm sure everyone knows by now it was Jay girl which is why he started gettin' at him.

    Fake news

    mase hit kim and one of jay girls back then... sound the king of rap girl line has 2 bodies on it big and jay supposedly

    Big deal.

    The industry is like High School. Everybody sleeps around and the most popular girls are easy.
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  • blackrainblackrain Posts: 27,215 Regulator
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    I dont remember the minute mark.. But Ma$e said that this is about a video.. And he kinda downplayed it.. It's like man after 20 years this video is where our issues are?.. I have an issue with that..

    Ma$e mentions in the video that he wore Cam's clothes.. So a nigga that gave you clothes to wear.. As soon as you get on you charge him for a video?.. And expect him to let it go?.. I wish Angie would have plodded more on that..

    If you my man.. And u held me down.. And I get on.. Ima make sure you straight.. That's what real niggaz do.. Yes you've grown.. But don't act like Cam is crazy for feeling the way he felt. He held you down and you had the power to change his life and you did it but not really. Charging that man for a video is a slap in the face in my opinion. If he did that video all of this wouldn't even be going on. Made said that he's grown so maybe he isn't the same person.. But growth doesnt negate what you've done in your past. You still have to deal with the Karma that comes along with what you've done. Outside of that I feel him.. This is a dope interview.. Many layers and no one is perfect.. But Ma$e needs to understand where Cam is coming from as it pertains to that video..

    It's still a business at the end of the day and Cam would have been using Mase's name and image to further his own profile. There's money to be made from that and it's only right Mase got something out of that...and given how high profile Mase was then according to what both of them have said he gave Cam a crazy discount from what he could have actually charged him. Didn't Mase also say in that video he's the one who helped Cam get his deal from jump? What else is he supposed to do...do every Cam feature and video for free forever?
    LcnsdbyROYALTYI Self Lord & Master
  • blackrainblackrain Posts: 27,215 Regulator
    gemini86 wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    gemini86 wrote: »
    I fucked w some of that southern shit though. TI, Jeezy, Luda and krit probably my favorite artist after k.dot n j.cole right now. But I get what u saying, alot of that other shit be super dumbed down musik

    J Cole is from the South. That's the problem Y'all think South = GA. Y'all mean you don't like rapping Georgians under 30...but you say South. Pusha T, Malice, Pharell/Neptunes, Timbaland, Missy, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, and Skillz are some of the rappers/R&B artist from VA alone.

    Those are all dope artist. Why aren’t they in the forefront? Y’all rather push 21 savage and migos than the dope artist y’all have. See this is the issue I have with the south. It’s like you know you love stupid ignorant shit but then like to hide behind artist who you think are “smart and conscious.”

    Y’all niggas tried to paint Kevin Gates as smart and that nigga wild retarded. Posting up inspirational quotes and have the nerve to post his picture. That’s the nigga y’all look up to?

    As much as I think 3K is overrated, I wish artist from the south like him was leading the charge. Shit even Wayne. There’s no denying that the south runs the radio airwaves for hip hop. And y’all choose to play the dumb shit.

    who are u to tell the south what to like or push?..yall booed outkast now wanna turn around and big up dre now... think ,about all the southern artist who got no shine in the 90s and 2000s that yall gave no fucks about who made better music than what we hear today? maybe the rap gods are punishing u for that lol. its crazy cuz the south been liking the bass heavy hook heavy non lyrical shit but the narrative is oh look at the good ole days even tho we talked shit about yall then we wish yall made music like that cuz now its trash naw .... lol

    i respect it. look all im saying is it would be good if rap lyrics meant something all across the board or at least the majority of it. shit is really looking kids boppish. its good to have a good time but if that shit dont change, 10 years from now its gonna be a complete joke. im speaking for me, hearing a song with just adlibs and bass is just retarded. and its an insult to my intelligence and i would like to think it is for our people as a whole. yea the gangsta rap shit is ignorant as well and that should be the extent of it. because its real shit and they putting their life and soul into the music. can we agree on that?

    Nigga how many of the most recent biggest hits from non southern artists have been "lyrical"? Wasn't one of the biggest songs last year from a NY nigga who literally is a close of an Atlanta nigga? Wasn't it Harlem niggas who started riding the south making songs like "Get Crunk Music" and remakes of "Bout It Bout It"...wasn't it NY niggas who started running to southern producers?
    Matike85blacktux
  • RickyRichRickyRich Posts: 13,022 ✭✭✭✭✭
    man if you my friend i gotchu till the end . mase did cam dirty
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  • gemini86gemini86 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭✭✭
    blackrain wrote: »
    gemini86 wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    gemini86 wrote: »
    I fucked w some of that southern shit though. TI, Jeezy, Luda and krit probably my favorite artist after k.dot n j.cole right now. But I get what u saying, alot of that other shit be super dumbed down musik

    J Cole is from the South. That's the problem Y'all think South = GA. Y'all mean you don't like rapping Georgians under 30...but you say South. Pusha T, Malice, Pharell/Neptunes, Timbaland, Missy, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, and Skillz are some of the rappers/R&B artist from VA alone.

    Those are all dope artist. Why aren’t they in the forefront? Y’all rather push 21 savage and migos than the dope artist y’all have. See this is the issue I have with the south. It’s like you know you love stupid ignorant shit but then like to hide behind artist who you think are “smart and conscious.”

    Y’all niggas tried to paint Kevin Gates as smart and that nigga wild retarded. Posting up inspirational quotes and have the nerve to post his picture. That’s the nigga y’all look up to?

    As much as I think 3K is overrated, I wish artist from the south like him was leading the charge. Shit even Wayne. There’s no denying that the south runs the radio airwaves for hip hop. And y’all choose to play the dumb shit.

    who are u to tell the south what to like or push?..yall booed outkast now wanna turn around and big up dre now... think ,about all the southern artist who got no shine in the 90s and 2000s that yall gave no fucks about who made better music than what we hear today? maybe the rap gods are punishing u for that lol. its crazy cuz the south been liking the bass heavy hook heavy non lyrical shit but the narrative is oh look at the good ole days even tho we talked shit about yall then we wish yall made music like that cuz now its trash naw .... lol

    i respect it. look all im saying is it would be good if rap lyrics meant something all across the board or at least the majority of it. shit is really looking kids boppish. its good to have a good time but if that shit dont change, 10 years from now its gonna be a complete joke. im speaking for me, hearing a song with just adlibs and bass is just retarded. and its an insult to my intelligence and i would like to think it is for our people as a whole. yea the gangsta rap shit is ignorant as well and that should be the extent of it. because its real shit and they putting their life and soul into the music. can we agree on that?

    Nigga how many of the most recent biggest hits from non southern artists have been "lyrical"? Wasn't one of the biggest songs last year from a NY nigga who literally is a close of an Atlanta nigga? Wasn't it Harlem niggas who started riding the south making songs like "Get Crunk Music" and remakes of "Bout It Bout It"...wasn't it NY niggas who started running to southern producers?

    I said what I said my nigga

  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 23,732 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RickyRich wrote: »
    man if you my friend i gotchu till the end . mase did cam dirty

    and cam did juelz dirty correct? even if he did deserve it
    Matike85
  • Mr 202Mr 202 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭✭✭
    aneed123 wrote: »
    Mr 202 wrote: »
    Mr.LV wrote: »

    49 plus pages I'm sure everyone knows by now it was Jay girl which is why he started gettin' at him.

    Fake news

    mase hit kim and one of jay girls back then... sound the king of rap girl line has 2 bodies on it big and jay supposedly

    I have heard MASE say severally his beef with jay came from his beef with dame and Jay inherited it. He hit a girl called aerion that was going with some body in dames crew,dame wasn't happy about it and started beefing with MASE.thats how Jay got involved
    southsil4lilMatike85
  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 23,732 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mr 202 wrote: »
    aneed123 wrote: »
    Mr 202 wrote: »
    Mr.LV wrote: »

    49 plus pages I'm sure everyone knows by now it was Jay girl which is why he started gettin' at him.

    Fake news

    mase hit kim and one of jay girls back then... sound the king of rap girl line has 2 bodies on it big and jay supposedly

    I have heard MASE say severally his beef with jay came from his beef with dame and Jay inherited it. He hit a girl called aerion that was going with some body in dames crew,dame wasn't happy about it and started beefing with MASE.thats how Jay got involved

    yeah thats her
    Matike85Mr 202
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