Steve Harvey takes an L (along with most of you people)

fiat_money · March 2011

Stack Money wrote: »

LOL @ YOU not knowin the definition of "fantasizin"...

The definition of fantasizing:

Stack Money created the imaginative idea that fiat_money is someone who sits in his basement learning nerd shit.
Stack Money portrayed in the mind fiat_money as someone who sits in his basement learning nerd shit.

Stack Money wrote: »

...You also lauced for sittin in your basement learnin nerd shit...

^^^According to definition of the word "fantasizing", Stack Money fantasized about the life of fiat_money, by fantasizing that fiat_money is someone who sits in his basement learning nerd shit.

The he "started saying gay shit":

Stack Money wrote: »

...N/H @ you wantin me to think about yo gay ass...

milehightoker · March 2011

Darxwell wrote: »

Bullshit.

We KNOW evolution is real and it can be observed. Go buy yourself a chemistry set.

We KNOW the concept of monotheism is a purely HUMAN invention. Humans used to worship many gods and eventually settled on one several thousand years ago.

So lets not pretend nobody really knows. Because thats not entirely correct. saying "nobody knows" is the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling, "la la la la la la!" because you dont want to deal with the truth. Like when abortionist say shit like, "it's a choice!" and "abortion isnt going anywhere so be quiet!" as if that has anything to do with the morality of abortion itself whether you agree or disagree with it.

As true as the bolded may be, does it really conclusively PROVE that there is or isn't a God?

Darxwell · March 2011

milehightoker wrote: »

As true as the bolded may be, does it really conclusively PROVE that there is or isn't a God?

It proves that "God" was made up by man and therefore a figment of one's imagination.

And let me ask you a question: Can you prove there isnt a pink elephant in your home that you cant see, feel, or hear but if you believe in him you'll get to meet the pink elephant when you die? OH and if you dont you got to Elephant hell...PROVE ME WRONG.

You cant can you? Yet you replace the words "pink elephant" with the word "God or Allah" and muthafukkas will kill each other over it. When in reality its a foolish idea in the first place. Could there be a pink elephant in your room that you could see and experience if only you had faith? Yes. Could there be an inviible being in the sky that created humanity and inspired a book call the Holy Bible? SURE. But really....who would be dumb enough to believe that shit? What's the difference between that and the pink elephant or flying spaghetti monster? the NAME.

Dumbest argument I seen yet, just cause he inspired the bible don't mean he inspired flawed teachins cause man is flawed.

So a perfect God needed an imperfect middle man to pass on his message?

What an idiot your imaginary friend Jesus is lol

KTULU IS BACK · March 2011

How the fuck did GnS get a diamond thread about religion?

milehightoker · March 2011

Darxwell wrote: »

It proves that "God" was made up by man and therefore a figment of one's imagination.

And let me ask you a question: Can you prove there isnt a pink elephant in your home that you cant see, feel, or hear but if you believe in him you'll get to meet the pink elephant when you die? OH and if you dont you got to Elephant hell...PROVE ME WRONG.

You cant can you? Yet you replace the words "pink elephant" with the word "God or Allah" and muthafukkas will kill each other over it. When in reality its a foolish idea in the first place. Could there be a pink elephant in your room that you could see and experience if only you had faith? Yes. Could there be an inviible being in the sky that created humanity and inspired a book call the Holy Bible? SURE. But really....who would be dumb enough to believe that shit? What's the difference between that and the pink elephant or flying spaghetti monster? the NAME.
So a perfect God needed an imperfect middle man to pass on his message?

What an idiot your imaginary friend Jesus is lol

LOL if feel you bruh...

The fact that people argue about this shit is just stupid to me.

I guess it just show how judgmental most people are.

"If you believe in "God" you're an idiot", or "If you don't believe in God you don't have a moral compass".

As if believing one way or the other bars you from being a complete fucking moron or an immoral prick.

KTULU IS BACK · March 2011

milehightoker wrote: »

As if believing one way or the other bars you from being a complete fucking moron or an immoral prick.

Hard to get people to fly planes into buildings by telling them "This is not your holy duty because there's no god and you won't get 72 virgins in Heaven because it doesn't exist."

I Self Lord & Master · March 2011

why is this thread so long?

any insightful / entertaining jousts ?

or just the usual bullshit?

milehightoker · March 2011

KTULU IS BACK wrote: »

Hard to get people to fly planes into buildings by telling them "This is not your holy duty because there's no god and you won't get 72 virgins in Heaven because it doesn't exist."

That's another debate for another thread LOL!

But I get what your saying.

Stack Money · March 2011

fiat_money wrote: »

The definition of fantasizing:

Stack Money created the imaginative idea that fiat_money is someone who sits in his basement learning nerd shit.
Stack Money portrayed in the mind fiat_money as someone who sits in his basement learning nerd shit.^^^According to definition of the word "fantasizing", Stack Money fantasized about the life of fiat_money, by fantasizing that fiat_money is someone who sits in his basement learning nerd shit.

The he "started saying gay shit":

Again speakin the truth =/= fantasizin, you clearly a lame wit no life who got called out and now you desperately tryna convince niggas you not a loser. And you keep sayin the gay shit just look at this post, you gettin all excited cause you got this "fantasy" that I'm thinkin bout you which is why I pointed it out and said n/h. Don't try to turn it around now cause you got caught bein a fag, yo gay ass ain't foolin no one.

Darxwell wrote: »

So a perfect God needed an imperfect middle man to pass on his message?

What an idiot your imaginary friend Jesus is lol

Dumb nigga post

milehightoker wrote: »

LOL if feel you bruh...

The fact that people argue about this shit is just stupid to me.

I guess it just show how judgmental most people are.

"If you believe in "God" you're an idiot", or "If you don't believe in God you don't have a moral compass".

As if believing one way or the other bars you from being a complete fucking moron or an immoral prick.

Look thru this thread my nigga, that dude you quoted one of the main ones arguin and bein judgemental.

I Self Lord & Master wrote: »

just the usual bullshit?

This

fiat_money · March 2011

Stack Money wrote: »

Again speakin the truth =/= fantasizin...]

LOL. Where did you speak the truth though?

Not here:

Stack Money wrote: »

...You also lauced for sittin in your basement learnin nerd shit...

Calling something the fictional "the truth" is actually another example of fantasizing.

LOL @ You fantasizing about another nigga's life and calling the nigga you fantasized about "gay".

Getting mad at the facts and shit:

SMH @ You being in denial about your homo fantasizing and you trying to redefine words and shit:

Stack Money · March 2011

fiat_money wrote: »

LOL. Where did you speak the truth though?

Not here:

Calling something the fictional "the truth" is actually another example of fantasizing.

LOL @ You fantasizing about another nigga's life and calling the nigga you fantasized about "gay".

Getting mad at the facts and shit:

SMH @ You being in denial about your homo fantasizing and you trying to redefine words and shit:

I spoke the truth bout you not havin a life, now you can tell them niggas you roll wit whatever you want but you and I know whats goin on.

fiat_money · March 2011

Stack Money wrote: »

I spoke the truth bout you not havin a life...

LOL @ You not saying you "spoke the truth" with ↓this statement↓:

Stack Money wrote: »

...You also lauced for sittin in your basement learnin nerd shit...

I guess you know that imagining a nigga in an imaginary location doing some imaginary shit counts as fantasizing about that nigga's life.

SMH @ You daydreaming about other niggas and shit:

Go figure... · March 2011

KTULU IS BACK wrote: »

ahahahhahah

you think "everyone" in those times and places confirmed that these guys were really receiving prophecies?

and yet you claim this is about "faith."

ahahhahahaha

You're an idiot and a coward.

how did we come to a general consensus of what modern history and ancient history teach us about civilization u dumb fuck SMH. throw out all ur history books.

they wudnt let motherfuckers get the facts wrong around that time, just like today. and throughout all 40 or so writers of the bible, the visions and messages have all been consistent. i havent looked into it too much but im pretty sure a lot of rulers/geographical areas/certain events in the bible could be corroborated with secular historical teaching.

Revelation 22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19

For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty (2 Peter 1:16).

Proverbs 30:5-6 (New International Version, ©2011)
5 “Every word of God is flawless;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

verses from old testament

Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

in the new testament, there is more than one book concerning the life of jesus from diff peoples' perspectives. and thru all these diff perspectives, the messages and teachings of jesus still remain.

story of the flood/noah's arc - documents were later found which describe the same flood...check out the link
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a009.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/noah_com.htm

the rebellion of the jews against pontius pilate of the roman empire, and josephus, who was not a writer of the bible, speaking about jesus who performed "wonderful works" and drew many of Jews and gentiles to his teachings.
http://www.theistic-evolution.com/josephus.html

suetonius - a roman historian writes about the jews and how they were rising up to rebel, and Lucian a greek philosopher who spoke of the "man christians worship to this day" who was "the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account"...of course, if u read the whole thing, this Lucian dude think just like yall, but acknowledges the existence of Jesus nonetheless.
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/suetonius.htm

theres proof of other non-biblical people acknowledging the existence of jesus, not gettin into the rest of em right now tho.

and this argument is also supported by the facts that throughout the old testament text, ppl received visions and prophecies of a savior coming down to earth who will give them eternal life if they believe in him. funny throughout that whole time frame, a time finally came when the jews were in an uprise against the romans because of a man the bible described who performed wonderful works and gave them the laws to abide by, as stated in the bible and extra-biblical sources. consistency in the bible is key here, and it is corroborated by non-biblical and even secular persons.

Go figure... · March 2011

Science Facts confirmed by the Bible
http://worldview3.50webs.com/science.html

The "Big Bang" and Expanding Universe:

It is now quite well established (as discovered by Edwin Hubble in 1929) that the universe is expanding sort of like a raising lump of dough, whereby every galaxy (like raisins in the dough) is getting further apart from the center and from all the other galaxies ...except this is happening at a speed of thousands of miles per hour. --In fact, the rate of expansion is increasing, and the best understanding today has the expansion going on forever (ref.: the "flat universe" model).

Now, if we "reverse the film" on the expanding universe, and go way back, we would end up with all the matter in the universe located in a small area, which would be the beginning point. Such a "beginning" which expands out to today's universe is compatible with what is presented in the Bible. The Bible starts out by saying, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1).
-- So, the best science confirms a "beginning" to the universe.

It should be noted that in Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew word for "created" ("bara") basically means a "creation from nothing," as something is brought into existence. A start from nothing, is a very good description of what cosmologists (such as Stephen Hawking) call a "singularity," which is the starting-point of the Big Bang.
---A "singularity" is: all the potential mass (matter), energy, and dimensions (including time) of the cosmos, reduced down to an infinitely small point of ZERO volume. -- Note, that the dimesions also started at the point of ZERO length.
---This same concept is brought out again in Hebrews 11:3 which declares that "the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible." The original starting-point for the universe was invisible, and had zero volume --just as the Bible teaches... as no other ancient writing does.

Furthermore: Cosmologists and physicists teach that matter, 3-dimensional space, and even time itself virtually did not exist before the Big Bang; (when God created them).
-- Here it is fascinating to NOTE: 1Corinthians 2:7, 2Timothy 1:9, and Titus 1:2 state that time itself (with all its eons and ages) had a "beginning." ---NO other ancient literature (particularly before the Bible) states that time had a beginning!

Then, having started from this "beginning" point, the Bible even says about God: "He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea" (Job 9:8); and "He stretches out the heavens like a tent" (Psalm 104:2); and "He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in" (Isa. 40:22); and "the Lord your Maker, who stretched out the heavens" (Isa. 51:13); ...there are about nine such biblical references. --Notice that God stretched the heavens out in the past, and some of those verses declare that He still "stretches" the universe out today!

This "beginning" from nothing, and the "spreading" or "stretching out" of the heavens (an excellent portrayal of the expanding universe due to the Big Bang since the instant God created the universe) are words of biblical prophets that were written from about 1500 BC. ---which is about 3000 years before Edwin Hubble discovered that the universe is expanding!

like i said, science explains HOW, God explains WHY. u say the bible is false, yet it describes these same processes discovered thousands of yrs later in unscientific terms, processes which have never been recorded in any other theistic books/religions. click the link for other shit, entropy included.

Go figure... · March 2011

KTULU IS BACK wrote: »

Hard to get people to fly planes into buildings by telling them "This is not your holy duty because there's no god and you won't get 72 virgins in Heaven because it doesn't exist."

naw but if ur poor or u want to provide for ur family u could do these suicide missions so that the gov'nt will take care of ur fam for life...might be generations even. my girl's bro is in the military, he got stories in the middle east of soldiers attacking u.s. forces with no means of being able to shelter themselves from return fire. i asked him why would they be dumb enough to do that? he said for everyone that gets killed "honorably" in defense of their country, their family will be taken care of by their government financially, different than the way the u.s. gov'nt does with their fallen troops. im sure the bigger the suicide mission the bigger the reward (ie WTC buildings). he never once mentioned it having to do with God in any way.

throwing God in there is a perversion of the concept of God, and obviously causes ppl of lesser or no faith to make the claims u just did. now, they may very well believe in whatever their version of God is, but it does not mean it is the reason they did what they did. n im sure not all ppl in the middle east who believe in God really believe that God wants them to take out as many Americans as possible. the leaders in the middle east who promote this are no different than preachers who get ppl to put money in the collection plate and use it for their own means.

Go figure... · March 2011

fiat_money wrote: »

With Christianity, you can call the parts of the bible that you like or the parts that justify your actions "the word of God", and you can call the parts that you don't like or the parts that condemn your actions "the flaws of man".

Because it's convenient that way.

a true christian stands by their Bible and does not dilute the meaning. a liar will use it for his own convenience. look at the kkk for example, and yall atheists who point out 'certain' things n leave out the other important shit to make their invalid argument seem valid. i've seen atheists in this forum 'conveniently' call parts to fit their argument without lookin at the whole thing. so whatchutalnbout

Go figure... · March 2011

Darxwell wrote: »

It proves that "God" was made up by man and therefore a figment of one's imagination.

And let me ask you a question: Can you prove there isnt a pink elephant in your home that you cant see, feel, or hear but if you believe in him you'll get to meet the pink elephant when you die? OH and if you dont you got to Elephant hell...PROVE ME WRONG.

You cant can you? Yet you replace the words "pink elephant" with the word "God or Allah" and muthafukkas will kill each other over it. When in reality its a foolish idea in the first place. Could there be a pink elephant in your room that you could see and experience if only you had faith? Yes. Could there be an inviible being in the sky that created humanity and inspired a book call the Holy Bible? SURE. But really....who would be dumb enough to believe that shit? What's the difference between that and the pink elephant or flying spaghetti monster? the NAME.
So a perfect God needed an imperfect middle man to pass on his message?

What an idiot your imaginary friend Jesus is lol

extra-biblical sources acknowledge the existence of Jesus, or a leader of the jews who caused an uprise against the romans just as the bible states in jesus' time, so 'imaginary' is only arguable at best.

now this pink elephant theory has no basis, no background, ur just throwin sum random shit out there. if its been there all this time why no type of proof, even just for the promotion religious purposes such as the bible? u wudda been better off sayin somethin like, well why arent the egyptian gods the real gods, or the greek gods.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atheismintro3.html

Yes, many religious truth claims are testable. Those who are truly interested in whether a religion represents truth should test the claims to see how they stand against the evidence. Modern cosmology destroys the Hindu model for the universe, but affirms the Judeo-Christian model. Cosmology and earth sciences destroy the strange assertions of the Quran. Archeology, cosmology and molecular biology destroy the claims of the LDS Book of Mormon., but confirm many claims from the Bible. For an ancient document written thousands of years ago, the Bible makes some remarkable scientific claims - many of which were not verified until this century. However, the Bible was never written to serve as a science textbook, but was given as guide to having a relationship with God and our fellow human beings. The Bible answers the "why" and "what" questions that naturalism says are unanswerable:

* Why does the universe exist?
* Why do human beings exist?
* What is my purpose?
* Why do I do things I know I shouldn't do?
* Is this all there is?

fiat_money · March 2011

Go figure... wrote: »

Science Facts confirmed by the Bible
http://worldview3.50webs.com/science.html

like i said, science explains HOW, God explains WHY. u say the bible is false, yet it describes these same processes discovered thousands of yrs later in unscientific terms, processes which have never been recorded in any other theistic books/religions. click the link for other shit, entropy included.

Misleading wording. Those are actually vague statements from the Christian bible, biasly extrapolated to mesh with accepted scientific theories/laws or other known processes. The vagueness of a statement and the ease with which it can be disproven are inversely related, while the the vagueness of a statement and the ease at which it can be extrapolated are proportionally related.

Genesis 1 also says, in verses 2-3, that the Earth was dark when first formed, and that "God" added light to it afterward:

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

This is incorrect, the Earth is not older than the Sun, and it's definitely not older than every single star in the Universe, so there would've been light both before and at the time of the Earth's formation. Additionally, if "waters" is a reference to oceans, it is also incorrect, when the Earth first formed there would've been no oceanic crust and it would've been too hot for an ocean.

So yes, the Christian Bible is false in this regard.

thedesolateone · March 2011

Go figure... wrote: »

extra-biblical sources acknowledge the existence of Jesus, or a leader of the jews who caused an uprise against the romans just as the bible states in jesus' time, so 'imaginary' is only arguable at best.

now this pink elephant theory has no basis, no background, ur just throwin sum random shit out there. if its been there all this time why no type of proof, even just for the promotion religious purposes such as the bible? u wudda been better off sayin somethin like, well why arent the egyptian gods the real gods, or the greek gods.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atheismintro3.html

well why arent the egyptian gods the real gods, or the greek gods?

Pura~Diabla · March 2011

Standard answer: "because the bible says so"

thedesolateone wrote: »

well why arent the egyptian gods the real gods, or the greek gods?

fiat_money · March 2011

Go figure... wrote: »

a true christian stands by their Bible and does not dilute the meaning. a liar will use it for his own convenience. look at the kkk for example, and yall atheists who point out 'certain' things n leave out the other important shit to make their invalid argument. i've seen atheists in this forum 'conveniently' call parts to fit their argument without lookin at the whole thing. so whatchutalnbout

Or like Christians who claim the Christian bible confirms scientific theories/laws by using vague biblical statements, but leave out the parts that are scientifically false. Or Christians who say certain portions of the Christian bible are to be taken literally and others are to be considered figurative, with no other distinguishing factor than their own opinion.

And of course, if one is an atheist, they do do not believe the Christian bible--or any form of text for that matter--is the "word of a god or gods"; which reduces the entirety of the Christian bible to mere words. So when making arguments, it makes sense that only the relevant portions are used.

If I say the Christian bible says homosexuals should be killed (which it does), I'm not going to cite the Christian bible's many irrelevant foreskin mutilation-related scriptures as references.

fiat_money · March 2011

fiat_money wrote: »

Or like Christians who claim the Christian bible confirms scientific theories/laws by using vague biblical statements, but leave out the parts that are scientifically false. Or Christians who say certain portions of the Christian bible are to be taken literally and others are to be considered figurative, with no other distinguishing factor than their own opinion.

And of course, if one is an atheist, they do do not believe the Christian bible--or any form of text for that matter--is the "word of a god or gods"; which reduces the entirety of the Christian bible to mere words. So when making arguments, it makes sense that only the relevant portions are used.

If I say the Christian bible says homosexuals should be killed (which it does), I'm not going to cite the Christian bible's many irrelevant foreskin mutilation-related scriptures as references.

Totally wrote "do" twice there.

Go figure... · March 2011

fiat_money wrote: »

Misleading wording. Those are actually vague statements from the Christian bible, biasly extrapolated to mesh with accepted scientific theories/laws or other known processes. The vagueness of a statement and the ease with which it can be disproven are inversely related, while the the vagueness of a statement and the ease at which it can be extrapolated are proportionally related.

Genesis 1 also says, in verses 2-3, that the Earth was dark when first formed, and that "God" added light to it afterward:This is incorrect, the Earth is not older than the Sun, and it's definitely not older than every single star in the Universe, so there would've been light both before and at the time of the Earth's formation. Additionally, if "waters" is a reference to oceans, it is also incorrect, when the Earth first formed there would've been no oceanic crust and it would've been too hot for an ocean.

So yes, the Christian Bible is false in this regard.

.....sigh

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

the earth was created in verse 1, but it was FORMLESS AND EMPTY ie no mountains, dry land, sky, plants, inhabitants of any sort, it was FORMLESS AND EMPTY.
in verse 3 he creates the light (sun)

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”
7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.
8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.
10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

AFTER the light (sun) is created, the sky is created, dry land is created, vegetation, and if u keep reading thats when human and animals/creatures come about

edit: and if u continue to read, he formed the oceans and seas AFTER he created light

fiat_money · March 2011

Go figure... wrote: »

.....sigh

the earth was created in verse 1, but it was FORMLESS AND EMPTY ie no mountains, dry land, sky, plants, inhabitants of any sort, it was FORMLESS AND EMPTY.
in verse 3 he creates the light (sun)

AFTER the light (sun) is created, the sky is created, dry land is created, vegetation, and if u keep reading thats when human and animals/creatures come about

As I previously stated, this is incorrect, the Sun did not form after the Earth. If "God" "created" the Sun after "creating" the Earth, that would mean the Earth is older than the Sun; which is false. Additionally, there were no "waters" when the Earth was first formed, unless that's a reference to magma or trapped steam.

So yes, the Christian Bible is still false in this regard.

Go figure... · March 2011

thedesolateone wrote: »

well why arent the egyptian gods the real gods, or the greek gods?

well the greeks for instance, had no single source of written scripture like the bible or koran does. they also did not believe in absolute truth. christianity practices the belief in one God, while polytheism (ie greeks) believe there may be other gods other than the ones they worship. in christianity, u know who u are worshipping not wondering if sumbody else up there pullin the strings along with God. which, wouldnt be possible if God is all-mighty and self sufficient as the bible suggests. interestingly enough the greeks also have a story of a great flood sounding similar to the flood of noah in the bible. anyway, the gods in greek mythology could be injured and become sick, although i dont believe they could die. doesnt sound all powerful to me. then again, i dont know way too much about the greek gods i just remember from school about them eating each other, fornicating with each other n whatnot

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