If the Colts are gonna draft Luck, why not just trade Manning?

JDSTAYWITIT. · December 2011

numbaz...80's baby wrote: »

Peyton Manning will be 36 years old when he comes back for a full season next year. I mean, besides Brett Favre..........What quarterback plays in their 40's? Why would you want to continue to build your franchise around an old ass quarterback that just went through neck surgery? Luck could possibly be a bust but you still have to at least attempt to set your team up for success in the future.

Nothing about mannings game suggest a fall off .... No indication what so ever ... So ur telling me ur going to just dump this HOF who just last year Lost by one point in the playoffs with this same exact as team ...for a guy that albeit looks good but is unproven?? Why?? Look bruh it's 2012 medicine advancements/workouts are going to allow certain athletes to play longer these days ... It ain't the 60's

numbaz...80's baby · December 2011

Dizzel3000 wrote: »

Nothing about mannings game suggest a fall off .... No indication what so ever ... So ur telling me ur going to just dump this HOF who just last year Lost by one point in the playoffs with this same exact as team ...for a guy that albeit looks good but is unproven?? Why?? Look bruh it's 2012 medicine advancements/workouts are going to allow certain athletes to play longer these days ... It ain't the 60's

Nothing about Mannings' game suggest a fall off but age does. You can't compete with age. He's almost 40 dawg. Like I asked on the post you quoted, "what QB's besides Brett Favre plays in their 40's? <

In this day age with medicine advancements? His time is almost up. Earlier in this thread I posted that they can't trade him because nobody is going to want to take on that big ass contract for an old as QB with a neck injury. I don't think you just dump Peyton but you definately look towards your future. You can't do that by building a team around yo old ass QB who's going to leave sooner than later. Their great chances of getting a high draft pick with the amount of talented QB's coming out of college this year may not ever happen again. Have to take advantage of that. Not get running backs that come a dime a dozen.

rayzadag · December 2011

Without Manning this team sucks, they need a quarterback for the future.

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Shizlansky · December 2011

numbaz...80's baby wrote: »

Nothing about Mannings' game suggest a fall off but age does. You can't compete with age. He's almost 40 dawg. Like I asked on the post you quoted, "what QB's besides Brett Favre plays in their 40's? <
In this day age with medicine advancements? His time is almost up. Earlier in this thread I posted that they can't trade him because nobody is going to want to take on that big ass contract for an old as QB with a neck injury. I don't think you just dump Peyton but you definately look towards your future. You can't do that by building a team around yo old ass QB who's going to leave sooner than later. Their great chances of getting a high draft pick with the amount of talented QB's coming out of college this year may not ever happen again. Have to take advantage of that. Not get running backs that come a dime a dozen.

To be honest i never understood this when it comes to football. Shouldnt you always be improveing your team?

Its like saying we not gon bulid this team up till we get lucky and get a QB.

In basketball I understand. You have to have different pieces depending on your best player.

But in football you should always be looking for a good DFF and a good OFF.

numbaz...80's baby · December 2011

Shizlansky87 wrote: »

To be honest i never understood this when it comes to football. Shouldnt you always be improveing your team?

Its like saying we not gon bulid this team up till we get lucky and get a QB.

In basketball I understand. You have to have different pieces depending on your best player.

But in football you should always be looking for a good DFF and a good OFF.

what i'm saying is that, you go get one of the 4 or 5 quarterbacks coming out of college this year instead of one of the 30,000 running backs because you can pick up a good running back much easier through free agency, trades, or even much much much later on in the draft.

Tha Killer · December 2011

George Blanda was a rich man's Brett Favre in terms of longevity and playing into their 40s and being productive. Blanda lead the way for Kenny Stabler to take over the team that next offseason (after Blanda lead the team to the AFCC Game), who Rich Gannon later imulated. Rodgers' playing style is reminiscent of the early 2000s Gannon in a lot of ways, so it's safe to say Luck has at least 3-4 different examples of a QB playing behind a HOF caliber player and having a HOF-like career. I think he has the talent to be the next Young/Rodgers/Stabler

JDSTAYWITIT. · December 2011

numbaz...80's baby wrote: »

Nothing about Mannings' game suggest a fall off but age does. You can't compete with age. He's almost 40 dawg. Like I asked on the post you quoted, "what QB's besides Brett Favre plays in their 40's? <
In this day age with medicine advancements? His time is almost up. Earlier in this thread I posted that they can't trade him because nobody is going to want to take on that big ass contract for an old as QB with a neck injury. I don't think you just dump Peyton but you definately look towards your future. You can't do that by building a team around yo old ass QB who's going to leave sooner than later. Their great chances of getting a high draft pick with the amount of talented QB's coming out of college this year may not ever happen again. Have to take advantage of that. Not get running backs that come a dime a dozen.

He's not 40 ...and wont be for four years ..so the argument your making is a bit of a strawman ..... What I'm saying is if the goal is to win the sb give me the HOF with some upgraded pieces by trading luck and press on for a couple more years with this squad that was just in the playoffs last year with him And what do you mean you can't keep building around him? The team is already built around him why you think they haven't one a game yet without him ... Peyton Manning is still a top 5 qb and makes that team a contender every year if they pley this right they can get a lot of good talent back and be back in the hunt next year ..... Honestly look at the past 5 years in the draft there seems to always be a "can't miss prospect" Matt Leinart?? These qbs are always there so when Peyton does retire the colts will have someone available to replace him

Jdilla26 · December 2011

usmarin3 wrote: »

Lets be real, Manning will probably play for another 3-5 years. Are they just gonna have Luck sit on the bench for that long of a time with dudes like Newton, Bradford,etc coming straight into the league and starting. I mean why keep Manning at this point when truth of the matter is the Colts run is over and you're paying a lot of money to a aging qb.

What do you think they're gonna do, draft Luck and sit him behind Manning or just trade Manning and get something for him?

I thought that was the rumor the Colts were gonna do but as u can see that Colts got bigger problems than QB it wouldnt be smart b/c Manning be back next yr and will be a productive QB.

numbaz...80's baby · December 2011

Dizzel3000 wrote: »

He's not 40 ...and wont be for four years ..so the argument your making is a bit of a strawman ..... What I'm saying is if the goal is to win the sb give me the HOF with some upgraded pieces by trading luck and press on for a couple more years with this squad that was just in the playoffs last year with him And what do you mean you can't keep building around him? The team is already built around him why you think they haven't one a game yet without him ... Peyton Manning is still a top 5 qb and makes that team a contender every year if they pley this right they can get a lot of good talent back and be back in the hunt next year ..... Honestly look at the past 5 years in the draft there seems to always be a "can't miss prospect" Matt Leinart?? These qbs are always there so when Peyton does retire the colts will have someone available to replace him

I didn't he say he was 40. I said his time is almost up meaning that he will be 40 soon(sooner than any other elite QB in the NFL). What are they going to do in three years when that HOF QB retires? That's what i'm saying. Draft a QB while you have a great draft pick and don't trade him because he's your future(For example, Patriots drafted Ryan Mallet because they know Tom Brady is at the end of his career). QB's aren't always there. Running backs, recievers, lineman, linebackers are always there. It's around 5 or 6, maybe 7 decent QB's in the league. So why not draft a top prospect while you have the chance? All draft picks may or may not be a bust. Wouldn't you rather risk you draft pick on a quarterback than a tightend?

All i'm saying is, you can build your team around Peyton Manning BUT draft a top QB out of college first. The possibility of getting a steal late in the draft is greater for a running back than it is a quarterback. When I mean late I mean 2nd and 3rd round late. When Peyton comes back, the team will have a better record. That decrease their chances of drafting/finding his replacement. Get the replacement now.

Idi Amin Dada · December 2011

Niggas are acting like it was his spine. It was a nerve for his arm. If anything he'll lose use of his arm.

JDSTAYWITIT. · December 2011

numbaz...80's baby wrote: »

I didn't he say he was 40. I said his time is almost up meaning that he will be 40 soon(sooner than any other elite QB in the NFL). What are they going to do in three years when that HOF QB retires? That's what i'm saying. Draft a QB while you have a great draft pick and don't trade him because he's your future(For example, Patriots drafted Ryan Mallet because they know Tom Brady is at the end of his career). QB's aren't always there. Running backs, recievers, lineman, linebackers are always there. It's around 5 or 6, maybe 7 decent QB's in the league. So why not draft a top prospect while you have the chance? All draft picks may or may not be a bust. Wouldn't you rather risk you draft pick on a quarterback than a tightend?

All i'm saying is, you can build your team around Peyton Manning BUT draft a top QB out of college first. The possibility of getting a steal late in the draft is greater for a running back than it is a quarterback. When I mean late I mean 2nd and 3rd round late. When Peyton comes back, the team will have a better record. That decrease their chances of drafting/finding his replacement. Get the replacement now.

1.Thats a really bad exapmle considering the patriots drafted him not with the first overall pick but with the 74th overall pick in the 3rd round .....
2.There Has been 15 Qb's drafted in the first round since 07 ...the college game is about the about the Qb these days so yes some next great "hope' will alllways be there
3.You cannot "rebulid" around peyton if with your most valuable asset (the number one pick in the draft) you use it on a guy whos sitting the bench not helping this team for the next three four five seasons....

and the premise of your arguement was to use peytons age as a reason to disregard him and get luck ..when over the next 3,4,5 theres no evidence in his game to prove his age will be a factor

hnic1978 · December 2011

ARE YALL FUCKIN CRAZY???? NO U DONT TRADE MANNING......u draft Luck and sit his ass down and breed him and when its more than obvious that Manning is not the same QB, u bring Luck in.....its the dream position for Luck....I get top player money and i get to learn from one of the best in the NFL....WIN-WIN??? Ask Aaron Rodgers how that worked out for him???

hnic1978 · December 2011

Dizzel3000 wrote: »

Neither of those dudes were number 1 overall picks getting number 1 overall pick money .... Bad example

No its not.....Aaron Rogers was the best QB in that draft but Mel Kiper punk ass scared everybody off

numbaz...80's baby · December 2011

hnic1978 wrote: »

ARE YALL FUCKIN CRAZY???? NO U DONT TRADE MANNING......u draft Luck and sit his ass down and breed him and when its more than obvious that Manning is not the same QB, u bring Luck in.....its the dream position for Luck....I get top player money and i get to learn from one of the best in the NFL....WIN-WIN??? Ask Aaron Rodgers how that worked out for him???

Pretty much sums up what I was saying. Draft Luck, build a support cast around Peyton/Luck. Don't pass up on all of these QB's coming. A QB of that caliber may not be there when Peyton retires 4/5 years now. Or even next year if he gets hurt again.

JDSTAYWITIT. · December 2011

hnic1978 wrote: »

No its not.....Aaron Rogers was the best QB in that draft but Mel Kiper punk ass scared everybody off

do you not get the difference between the salary of a 1st overall pick and the 24th? you dont pay a guy 6-7 million a year to sit the bench for three seasons ....

hnic1978 · December 2011

Dizzel3000 wrote: »

do you not get the difference between the salary of a 1st overall pick and the 24th? you dont pay a guy 6-7 million a year to sit the bench for three seasons ....

You also never have the oppurtunity to shift from a HOF QB to a future HOF QB......give him his money, sit his ass down and wait......I tell u what there 31 other teams that would LOVE to have that problem. This is like in Spades when u need two more books to win and ur last two card is the big AND little joker!!!

Shizlansky · December 2011

Luck aint even the best prospect at the QB position

Barkley > Luck

Manning already said 1st overall draft pick dont sit.

He basically saying if the colts draft a qb he wants out

JDSTAYWITIT. · December 2011

for comparisons sake .... aaron rodgers signed a 5 year deal worth roughly 8mil when he was drafted 24th overall thats around 1.5-2mil for those first couple of seasons he sat ...which is way more pratical than drafting a number one pick who's going to get close to 5x that amount (cam newtons contract was 4years 22mil) ..which comes out of the same salary cap that could be used to improve the team around peyton ...but you think its smart to just let a guy making that much money sit for three years?? this aint fantasy leauge my dude ...that shit would be retarted

texas409 · December 2011

usmarin3 wrote: »

Brah, Manning will be back next year and will still be a productive QB. Dudes career is far from fucking done, fucked up neck and all. You see the garbage ass QB's in the league right now?

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EmM HoLLa. wrote: »

An ideal situation is to have luck sit back and learn from Peyton for a year or two...

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Cutler 26 INT's LOL! wrote: »

Luck sittin behind Peyton ala Brett Farve/Aaron Rodgers

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BoYBe$T wrote: »

peyton will be traded or he'll retire ..... INDY will want to move on and that will force peyton to make some tough decisions .

u never know INDY might offer the boy the offensive coordinator spot that would fit him perfectly with luck coming in ....

and possibly this

JDSTAYWITIT. · December 2011

hnic1978 wrote: »

You also never have the oppurtunity to shift from a HOF QB to a future HOF QB......give him his money, sit his ass down and wait......I tell u what there 31 other teams that would LOVE to have that problem. This is like in Spades when u need two more books to win and ur last two card is the big AND little joker!!!

did you just call a guy whos never taken an NFL snap a future HOF'er?!? Da'Fuck?? ...lmao ...im done

hnic1978 · December 2011

Dizzel3000 wrote: »

for comparisons sake .... aaron rodgers signed a 5 year deal worth roughly 8mil when he was drafted 24th overall thats around 1.5-2mil for those first couple of seasons he sat ...which is way more pratical than drafting a number one pick who's going to get close to 5x that amount (cam newtons contract was 4years 22mil) ..which comes out of the same salary cap that could be used to improve the team around peyton ...but you think its smart to just let a guy making that much money sit for three years?? this aint fantasy leauge my dude ...that shit would be retarted

Well call me retarded cuz i would do it!!! Indy is gonna be in massive retool right now and this would be the first and best piece of that puzzle. Look if they go 0-16 they have to make a move like this or his ass is grass....

Look homie when u got a chance like this U TAKE IT.....in 04 Detroit had the chance to draft D.Wade or C.Anthony but because they had RIP and Tayshaun they picked DARKO!!!! ask Joe.D if he would make that choice again if he had a do over.

texas409 · December 2011

im a diehard colts fan so i can say this:

indy needs to worry about their defense before even thinking about spending more money on a young QB

real shit

Meagan___Goodz · December 2011

texasboi409 wrote: »

im a diehard colts fan so i can say this:

indy needs to worry about their defense before even thinking about spending more money on a young QB

real shit

So my nigga u telling me you gonna take the best defensive player available number1? no defensive player is worth the number 1 overall......Manning has what 2-4 years left? you can not pass up on Luck!

texas409 · December 2011

Meagan___Goodz wrote: »

So my nigga u telling me you gonna take the best defensive player available number1? no defensive player is worth the number 1 overall......Manning has what 2-4 years left? you can not pass up on Luck!

naw im not saying that but let Manning play if he wants to play we can always draft a qb next year luck aint the end all be all for the colts but a better defense with a healthy Manning could do wonders

rage · December 2011

If the Colt's have any sense they trade Manning for some defensive players and draft luck. Manning or no Manning the Colts arent winning anything with this team. Manning is the only asset they have.

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