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Atheists Trusted As Much As ....... Rapists. According to a recent study.

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  • Oceanic Oceanic Posts: 5,231
    And_So_It_Burns wrote: »
    Not necessarily....Gnosticism just refers to knowledge of God's existence..."

    An agnostic is someone who claims to not know of a gods existance. If you claim to not know, you are an atheist technically because you have no belief of the god.
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  • LambentLambent Posts: 1,936
    PPLSIntiative wrote: »
    Why would an atheist care what someone believes about them?
    Atheist care what other people think about them because...

    Most atheist are humans with emotions.

    What other people think about you severely affect what jobs you can get, the amount of money you make, who you date, etc.

    Most people don't like when lies are told about them.

    etc.

    PPLSIntiative wrote: »
    atheism implies a certain amount of implicit nihilism being that in the end everything inevitably ends in nothingness.
    Atheism is simply the belief in no god, there is no implied nihilism, just because someone doesn't believe in a god or afterlife (technically you can be atheist and still believe in an afterlife) does not mean they don't enjoy life.
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  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    Agnosticism is a stance between belief and knowledge. To know something and to believe something are two different things. An agnostic simply holds that for some questions one can not have knowledge of the answer. It has no effect on what they believe the answer to be. The existence of God is the most common question this term is applied too, however you could apply it to a football game. 2 evenly matched team are about to play a game. Since I can not predict the future I can not know which team will win. They are evenly matched so I can not infer knowledge of the outcome based on their strengths and weaknesses. I can believe either team will win but I can not claim knowledge that one will win.
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  • Oceanic Oceanic Posts: 5,231
    Agnosticism is a lack of belief, which by definition (when referring to gods) is atheism. There are different types of atheists. Strong and weak.
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  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    Agnosticism is a lack of belief, which by definition (when referring to gods) is atheism. There are different types of atheists. Strong and weak.

    ag·nos·tic [ag-nos-tik]
    noun
    1. a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
    2. a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.
    3. a person who holds neither of two opposing positions on a topic: Socrates was an agnostic on the subject of immortality.

    Agnosticism has nothing to do with an absence of belief.
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  • Rock WellRock Well Posts: 1,545
    What's weird is I'd personally take an Athiest over the over-zealous, conspiracy theorizing, hypocritical, 'spiritual'-type that hates on the Bible most of all religious texts, but still picks and chooses parts of the Bible to accept like a restaurant menu.
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  • PPLSIntiativePPLSIntiative Posts: 222
    Lambent wrote: »
    Atheist care what other people think about them because...

    Most atheist are humans with emotions.

    What other people think about you severely affect what jobs you can get, the amount of money you make, who you date, etc.

    Most people don't like when lies are told about them.

    etc.



    Atheism is simply the belief in no god, there is no implied nihilism, just because someone doesn't believe in a god or afterlife (technically you can be atheist and still believe in an afterlife) does not mean they don't enjoy life.

    It is a belief in nonbelief. Perhaps more clearly it is a system that hinges on the rejection of all things unquantifiable to the physical mind. Is this more correct?
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  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,671
    PPLSIntiative wrote: »
    It is a belief in nonbelief. Perhaps more clearly it is a system that hinges on the rejection of all things unquantifiable to the physical mind. Is this more correct?
    No, atheists can believe in anything other than gods/deities, "supernatural" or otherwise.

    The underlined is actually metaphysical naturalism.
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  • @My_nameaintearl@My_nameaintearl Posts: 2,609
    PPLSIntiative wrote: »
    Why would an atheist care what someone believes about them? atheism implies a certain amount of implicit nihilism being that in the end everything inevitably ends in nothingness.

    Wrong. Why are you assuming cosmic authoritarianism is the only escape from nihilism?
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  • janklowjanklow Posts: 4,264
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    agnostic is a type of atheist
    no, this is not how atheism works
    whar67 wrote: »
    I am an agnostic atheist.
    this doesn't actually work
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    If you claim to not know, you are an atheist technically because you have no belief of the god.
    ...no, this is not how atheism works
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  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,959
    to be honest i dont trust religious people or atheists. whatever ideological flag they wave most people nowadays tend to be narcissistic sociopaths of varying degrees.
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  • Oceanic Oceanic Posts: 5,231
    whar67 wrote: »
    ag·nos·tic [ag-nos-tik]
    3. a person who holds neither of two opposing positions on a topic: Socrates was an agnostic on the subject of immortality.

    Agnosticism has nothing to do with an absence of belief.

    Two opposing sides are belief and non belief. If you dont believe in a god, you're an atheist, regardless
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  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,671
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    Two opposing sides are belief and non belief. If you dont believe in a god, you're an atheist, regardless
    There is also the neutral position.

    If someone asked me whether or not I thought Taylor Swift was a good artist, I'd say "I don't know." since I never have listened (and never will listen) to any of her music. Therefore, I'd neither think she is a good or a bad artist; I simply would not know, she may be good, or she may not be.

    This neutral position is also the "agnostic" position.

    So if someone says "I don't whether or not gods exist, but I think they might."; they're agnostic.
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  • whar67whar67 Posts: 542
    Acknowledging that no amount of evidence can reduce the possibility of god to zero I am agnostic. However given the absence of evidence supporting god I find no reason to believe in its existence. Most atheist would be considered agnostic.
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  • DoUwant2go2Heaven?DoUwant2go2Heaven? Posts: 4,124
    "Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD." Isaiah 26:10
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  • janklowjanklow Posts: 4,264
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    Two opposing sides are belief and non belief. If you dont believe in a god, you're an atheist, regardless
    as has been stated already, there is a third option, which is the entire point of being agnostic.
    ag·nos·tic
    : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
    athe·ist
    : one who believes that there is no deity

    note that the atheist BELIEVES there is no deity. the agnostic does not believe such a position is correct.
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  • @My_nameaintearl@My_nameaintearl Posts: 2,609
    The point is that nobody in the English speaking world really doesn't know their own fucking opinion on whether there's a god or not.

    "Do you think god exists?"

    "I don't know."

    "You don't know what your own brain thinks about that particular question?"

    "......."
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  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,671
    @My_nameaintearl wrote: »
    The point is that nobody in the English speaking world really doesn't know their own fucking opinion on whether there's a god or not.

    "Do you think god exists?"

    "I don't know."

    "You don't know what your own brain thinks about that particular question?"

    "......."
    Shots fired at agnostics?
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  • And_So_It_BurnsAnd_So_It_Burns Posts: 564
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    An agnostic is someone who claims to not know of a gods existance. If you claim to not know, you are an atheist technically because you have no belief of the god.

    Um no....did you not read the examples i listed above? Ok maybe this will help some you who wrongfully believe you can't be an agnostic and be a Christian or atheist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism "An agnostic theist believes the proposition at least one deity exists is true, but regards the truth or falsehood of this proposition as unknown or inherently unknowable. The agnostic theist may also or alternatively be agnostic regarding the properties of the god(s) they believe in.[1]" This really isn't that hard to understand.
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  • Oceanic Oceanic Posts: 5,231
    Okay I see where ya'll are comin from but this is how I see it...

    Theist Believe in God's existance
    Agnostic Fail to believe in God's existence
    Atheist Believe in God's nonexistence

    The middle being the agnostic. The upper, theist; and lower, atheist
    Both the middle and the lower are non-theists, which we can just go ahead and box up as atheists, the agnostic being a "weak" atheist.

    If we take Agnostic as not knowing, it's kind of pointless because nobody truly, concretely KNOWS whether some kind of god exists or not. We either believe or fail to believe. Nobody KNEW an atom could be split until it was actually done
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  • Oceanic Oceanic Posts: 5,231
    Passage taken from book, Atheism Explained, David Ramsay Steele:

    "So there are three types of non-believer in something:
    1. The agnostic, who refuses to render a verdict on whether that thing exists.
    2. Someone who denies the existence of the thing, but does not believe that the thing's non-existence can be conclusively demonstrated.
    3. Someone who denies the existence of the thing and believes that its non-existence can be conclusively demonstated. (When applied to the God question, this third kind of non-believer is called a 'disproof atheist'.)"

    ...."Agnostic is a word deliberately invented by T.H. Huxley in 1869 to refer to anyone who, like Huxley himself, has no belief in God but was not prepared to deny God's existence. Prior to that date, all 'agnostics' had been recognized as atheists."
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  • kingblaze84kingblaze84 Posts: 6,265
    Very ironic study considering the Pope has protected pedophiles his entire life. And yet he is adored by millions of religious people around the world LOL. I'm not atheist but I find this study a prime example of why humans are a lost species.
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  • janklowjanklow Posts: 4,264
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    Both the middle and the lower are non-theists, which we can just go ahead and box up as atheists, the agnostic being a "weak" atheist.
    we CANNOT do this, because agnostic and atheist do not mean the same thing.
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  • Oceanic Oceanic Posts: 5,231
    janklow wrote: »
    we CANNOT do this, because agnostic and atheist do not mean the same thing.

    When it comes to god(s) they are two forms of non belief.

    Again,
    Passage taken from book, Atheism Explained, David Ramsay Steele:

    "So there are three types of non-believer in something:
    1. The agnostic, who refuses to render a verdict on whether that thing exists.
    2. Someone who denies the existence of the thing, but does not believe that the thing's non-existence can be conclusively demonstrated.
    3. Someone who denies the existence of the thing and believes that its non-existence can be conclusively demonstated. (When applied to the God question, this third kind of non-believer is called a 'disproof atheist'.)"

    ...."Agnostic is a word deliberately invented by T.H. Huxley in 1869 to refer to anyone who, like Huxley himself, has no belief in God but was not prepared to deny God's existence. Prior to that date, all 'agnostics' had been recognized as atheists."
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  • And_So_It_BurnsAnd_So_It_Burns Posts: 564
    Jaded Righteousness wrote: »
    Okay I see where ya'll are comin from but this is how I see it...

    Theist Believe in God's existance
    Agnostic Fail to believe in God's existence
    Atheist Believe in God's nonexistence
    The middle being the agnostic. The upper, theist; and lower, atheist
    Both the middle and the lower are non-theists, which we can just go ahead and box up as atheists, the agnostic being a "weak" atheist.

    If we take Agnostic as not knowing, it's kind of pointless because nobody truly, concretely KNOWS whether some kind of god exists or not. We either believe or fail to believe. Nobody KNEW an atom could be split until it was actually done

    What you just described is called weak and strong atheism.... agnosticism has NOTHING to do with belief.
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