Biggie is Corny and Far Overrated...

DNB1 · February 2012

Glad niggas seeing this for what it really is.........smh

Tommy Bilfiger. · February 2012

T/s got shitted on bad in this thread damn

That a list cat bodied him lmao

Law Trafalgar · February 2012

Op, why do you read so many books just to be mind fucked on a forum?

DNB1 · February 2012

"People who hate you are just your confused admirers. They cant figure out the reason why everyone loves you." - Biggie Smalls

DNB1 · February 2012

"I mean, it's not just the rappers, you know what i'm saying? People want to attack anybody that's a large figure, you know what I'm saying? They did it to Jordan, they did it to Tyson, they did it to Bill Cosby, you know what I'm saying? They're gonna' attack you if you on top." - Biggie Smalls

DNB1 · February 2012

"Even when I was wrong, I got my point across." - Biggie Smalls

DNB1 · February 2012

"If you don't love yourself, I'll make you see your own heart" - Biggie Smalls

DNB1 · February 2012

A rundown of his accomplishments:
Ready to Die
Released 1994
RIAA citified 4x Platinum

Life After Death
Released 1997
RIAA certified Diamond (10x Platinum)

Born Again
Released 1999
RIAA certified 2x Platinum

Duets: The Final Chapter
Released 2005
RIAA certified Platinum

Greatest Hits
Released 2007
RIAA certified Gold

No wonder Bad Boy is still eating, you got to really take a look at what Life After Death did, because it was dropped as a double disc (so it was priced higher than a single CD), and it sold 10 million worldwide. In terms of the influence, Ready to Die and Life After Death both changed the direction of Hip-Hop by mastering the art of creating a ‘crossover’ hit (mixing hardcore lyrics with an R&B singer on the chorus), and it laid the groundwork of how to maintain ‘keeping it real’. Before an album was released, Biggie was wise to work the mixtape DJ market – that would involve leaking tracks to DJ’s with national distribution, and giving certain DJ’s exclusive freestyles. All of this was for the goal that when the album dropped, those in the underground would be attracted to Biggie’s lyrical ability, and the general market would be taken in by the crossover appeal. This formula has since been copied exponentially by the likes of Jay-Z, Nas, 50 Cent, Eminem, and the like.

Bring the Posse Syndrome
Another pervasive influence that Biggie had on the hip-hop genre was the ‘bring the posse syndrome’, that is, once you get successful, create a label, and have your friends release albums and songs under your new label. Biggie only had a chance to try this out with now defunct group Junior M.A.F.I.A., that had a successful album (going Gold) and spawned the careers of Lil’ Cease and the infamous Lil’ Kim. Biggie had an understanding of how the music industry game worked; similar to the Pimp trade or a Pyramid scheme – the higher you are at the top, the more you can make off of others. Well, in the music game, it works that if you can sign them to your label, you can get a piece of their recording and publishing deals. Current circa, every rapper that is somewhat successful has copied this blueprint, from:

Dr. Dre
> Eminem
>> D- 12
>> 50 Cent
>>> G-Unit
>>> Llyod Banks, Young Buck, Tony Yayo

Nelly
> St. Lunatics
> Murphy Lee

Jay-Z
> Memphis Bleek, Beanie Sigel, Freeway
> Kanye West
>>Jon Legend

** Every Bold name has a label **

As you can see, some of these worked out very well in the cases of Dr. Dre, Jay-Z, Eminem, and 50 Cent, and not so well as with the case of Nelly, Snoop, and others

^^Jacked from elsewhere.....but all these accomplishments from an overrated and corny rapper

Cain1 · February 2012

Dat_Nigga_B1 wrote:

"People who hate you are just your confused admirers. They cant figure out the reason why everyone loves you." - Biggie Smalls

Damn Biggie burnt niggas souls back then and today with this.

DNB1 · February 2012

Who has had more influence on contemporary rap: Tupac or Notorious BIG?

Definitely Notorious B.I.G.

If you look at the Hip Hop charts in the last 10-15 years you'll see that a lot of rappers used the drug dealer image to sell their rap persona. Biggie came from a drug dealer background motivating a lot of hustlers to make it in the music business, too ('sometimes the rap game reminds me of the crack game').

2Pac had a more political background with his parents being involved with the Black Panthers. So from early on he had a different kind of struggle as his parents often had problems with the police and governmental organizations. In addition to that 2Pac was more of an 'artist' in the cultural sense than Biggie. He participated in theaters as a kid and had generally a more poetic rap style (very different from a lot of rappers these days). All the thugging and acting gangsta came later and was kinda enforced on him through his environment in CA ('...and how do you survive weighing 165, in a city where the skinny guys die?' -> by rolling with the thugs). However in CA 2Pac is still the non-plus-ultra of rap reminding the people of the golden era of Death Row.

Gotta love both of 'em though, they were both great in their own sense

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Again stolen from elsewhere but some valid points made in this post.

Tommy Bilfiger. · February 2012

Funniest part is this towelhead callin biggie "corny" yet pac was the lame who listened to cracka productions like les miserables and took ballet as a youth

Lmao tutu shakur was an actor and had the corniest gimmick of all time he died cuz of his gimmick

Duke went from a "son of a black panther" then embraced this thuglife facade that got his dumb ass merked.It was Only so long that fake thug could pretend

Cain1 · February 2012

Presteezh · February 2012

Damn homie lost when he didn't answer me and now multiple kicks to the dome. "Homotional" ass nigga. Stop catching feelings because one artist is more popular than you favorites even though he's no longer alive.

Rahlow · February 2012

this was my shit right here

a_list · February 2012

Tommy Bilfiger. wrote:

T/s got shitted on bad in this thread damn

That a list cat bodied him lmao

Yo appreciate you noticing how easily this cat was picked apart.....i hit him with the jab early and when he finally tried to adjust the power punches finished him....i wanted to finish him in late second round but he has a tough skull.....cant complain about a 3rd round k.o though.....lol

Soloman the Wise · February 2012

damn same homotional kats running rampant this shit really gets yall amped like that got to love it...

Cain1 · February 2012

Lol.......dude has been destroyed in this thread and he doesnt even see it.

icecoldstew · February 2012

Yup this thread has run its course.

Soloman the Wise · February 2012

Cain Marko wrote:

Lol.......dude has been destroyed in this thread and he doesnt even see it.

all I see is Biggie stans dancing around circle jerking in force. NOt one bit of actual refuting nor proving what I said to be wrong no just , a bunch of Shadyteam like you are a hater chants annd everbody should love Biggie like we do he never was corny even when he was it was just comercial songs talk. Shit is sad where is the Non Stan Boy Biggie fans Like @Uptown Connex who actually speak with merit on the subject and can break it down and debate their postion...

H-Rap 180 · February 2012

Alot of emotions being displayed....SOLOMAN the WISE caught many flies in his web...must have been sticky

Idol worship an unbridled adoration for entertainers is a character defect especially when you look at any criticism aimed at your HERO as some type of hatred or slander.

Weak-minded people need hero's and charismatic individuals take advantage of that; politicians, pimps, athletes, entertainers and con-men all prey on the weak men who worship and idolize them because of their gifts, talents, physical attributes, wealth or wisdom.

If Soloman lays down an intellectual premise for why he believes Biggie was corny and overrated how many posters are willing to debate his assessment of facts with facts of their own instead of just emotional ramblings and biased opinion?

Nas music is my favorite but I can say "Fuck Nas" in 10 seconds because I have no emotional attachment to the man whatsoever, the same thing goes for Tupac, or my present favorite music from Kendrick Lamar.

Biggie has captured the hearts of these men and they idolize and worship him with all of their emotional beings.....if you point out his savage abuse toward women they will say 'The Bitch deserved it she should have left".

If you point out his frequency of homosexual-tinged lyrics they will say "Its only about 10 lyrics out of his 60 songs just because JayZ has 600 songs and not a single homo lyric means nothing"

if you point out that he hung around a circle of bonafied queers they will say "it was only his best friend, manager, DJ, protege, and labelmate, thats only 5 people in his immediate circle all normal guys have multiple gay pals"

They say him releasing "Who Shotcha" 6 days after Tupac got shot in the head and groin wasnt a big deal..just a cool little record.

They say that the true HipHoppers like Boot Camp Click, Wu Tang Clan, Jeru Da Damaja, & The Roots were just hating on the Bad Boy movement when they warned us about the commercialization of the culture when Devil-Diddy was trying to auction off HIPHOP to corporate America.

If you want to see Biggies influence on HIPHOP look no further than the state of NY HIPHOP and LiL Kims face.

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