Was Jesus referring to Yahweh/Jehovah or someone else???

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  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118
    edited January 2012
    5.0 out of 5 stars Lifting The Veil ..., September 27, 2007
    By Pamela S. Parker (Colorado Springs, CO United States) - See all my reviews
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    This review is from: Jehovah Unmasked! (Paperback)
    Nathaniel Merritt has tackled The Problem of Jehovah, and has done an excellent job in uncovering the true nature of the Judeo-Christian "God". I found it very interesting to read the other reviews of this book. The reviews were quite revealing, in regard to the particular mind-set and prejudices of each reviewer.

    I was brought up to believe that Jehovah was the One and Only True God, and, that he was also The Father, the God of Love, that Jesus proclaimed. Even as a child, I found it hard to reconcile the harsh, jealous God of the Old Testament with the loving Father of Jesus, as described in the New Testament. I found it hard to love this bloody, demanding God. Fear him - Yes. Love him - No. As I grew older, I noticed, as Merritt pointed out, that the majority of Christians that I knew acted more like Jehovah than Jesus.

    The most insidious thing about religious programming is that it casts a veil over the mind, and it is extremely difficult to overcome. Reading about the terrible and destructive exploits of Jehovah should set off an alarm in any "normal" person's head. This is our loving Father?

    Over the last 25 years, I have spent an inordinate amount of time in Biblical research. What I discovered shocked and disturbed me, but, it - definitely - lifted the veil. Along the way, I found out that the majority of educated Jews that I came in contact with don't believe that major portions of the Old Testament are Literal. They look at them as Allegory. I look at them as Horror, and unfit for children, as well as for adults.

    Merritt's efforts in this book are reminiscent of the child in the children's story, "The Emperor's New Clothes". The child in the story loudly proclaimed that the Emperor was, in fact, naked ... It was all a con job, and the people were too intimidated to speak up. Like the child, Merritt is not deterred from speaking out the truth.

    Nathaniel Merritt deserves a place of honor among his peers, the Honest biblical scholars who have risked it all in the name of truth. Do yourself a favor. Read this book.



    5.0 out of 5 stars The Veil of Deciet is lifted, April 23, 2006
    By Stacy Bertrand - See all my reviews
    This review is from: Jehovah Unmasked! (Paperback)
    A must read!
    For years I have searched for truth in the Bible, books, religion etc. The only regret I have is Jehovah Unmasked wasnt available when I started.

    Unlike the DaVinci Code, this drama is real. Through thorough research and a little common sense Nathaniel Merritt exposes a truth hidden in plain sight, right under our noses.

    There is no denying the facts. Likened to the ultimate cold case file, after two thousand years Merritt opens the evidence locker (the Bible) to the perfect crime perpetrated against humanity.

    By stripping away everything but bare brass facts (scripture) Merritt removes all doubt concerning a harsh reality so many refuse to accept. They wont accept it because it would shake the very foundations of Judaism and Christianity. However, Merritt doesnt leave us hanging without hope. There is hope in truth.
    I could go on but no words would do this book justice.

    Do you think you know who the god of the old testament is? Whether your answer was yes or no to that question you should read Jehovah Unmasked for yourself. Then answer.

    Thank you Nathaniel Merritt. Thank you for having the balls to write this book! You have earned my respect. I cant wait to read the other three books you have coming out soon. I must say though, you set the bar pretty high with this one.

    Namaste,
    Evan Bertrand
  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118
    edited January 2012
    interesting quotes throughout the ages


    Marcion of Sinope, in the 1st century AD, held that the Old Testament was a scandal to the faithful … and … accounted for it by postulating that Jehovah was a secondary deity, a demiurgus, who was god, in a sense, but not the supreme God; he was just, rigidly just, he had his good qualities, but he was not the good god, who was Father of Our Jesus/Yeshua Christ.

    John Arendzen (1909) in the Catholic Encyclopedia (1913) mentions that Eusebius accused Apelles, the 2nd century AD Gnostic, of considering the Inspirer of Old-Testament prophecies to be not a god, but an demi angel.

    Hegemonius (4th C.) accuses the Persian prophet Mani, founder of the Manichaean sect in the 3rd century AD, identified Jehovah as "the demigod which created the world" and said that "he who spoke with Moses, the Jews, and the priests … is the Prince of Darkness, … not the god of truth."

    American anthropologist Walter L. Williams has written a revision of the story of Jesus which presents "God as Satan, the evil doer rejected by Jesus in the New Testament confrontation during Jesus' retreat in the desert."In the Old Testament, God offers all of Canaan to Abraham if he will worship God. Genesis 17:8 "I will give the entire land of Canaan, where you now live as a foreigner, to you and your descendants. It will be their possession forever, and I will be their God.” In the New Testament, Satan offers all the kingdoms on earth to Jesus if he will worship Satan. Luke 4:6-7 “I will give you the glory of these kingdoms and authority over them,” the devil said, “because they are mine to give to anyone I please. I will give it all to you if you will worship me.”

    Nicholas Weber in the Catholic Encyclopedia article Albigenses (1907) notes that the enemies of the Albigenses, a Christian sect in 12th- and 13th-century France, a branch of the Cathari, accused them that their doctrine held that "the creator … of the material world … is the source of all evil … He created the human body and is the author of sin … The Old Testament must be either partly or entirely ascribed to him; whereas the New Testament is the revelation of the beneficent God."[8] They ultimately came into conflict with both the civil order and the Church which lead to the Albigensian Crusade.
  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,961
    edited January 2012
    beenwize wrote: »
    interesting quotes throughout the ages


    Marcion of Sinope, in the 1st century AD, held that the Old Testament was a scandal to the faithful … and … accounted for it by postulating that Jehovah was a secondary deity, a demiurgus, who was god, in a sense, but not the supreme God; he was just, rigidly just, he had his good qualities, but he was not the good god, who was Father of Our Jesus/Yeshua Christ.

    John Arendzen (1909) in the Catholic Encyclopedia (1913) mentions that Eusebius accused Apelles, the 2nd century AD Gnostic, of considering the Inspirer of Old-Testament prophecies to be not a god, but an demi angel.

    Hegemonius (4th C.) accuses the Persian prophet Mani, founder of the Manichaean sect in the 3rd century AD, identified Jehovah as "the demigod which created the world" and said that "he who spoke with Moses, the Jews, and the priests … is the Prince of Darkness, … not the god of truth."

    American anthropologist Walter L. Williams has written a revision of the story of Jesus which presents "God as Satan, the evil doer rejected by Jesus in the New Testament confrontation during Jesus' retreat in the desert."In the Old Testament, God offers all of Canaan to Abraham if he will worship God. Genesis 17:8 "I will give the entire land of Canaan, where you now live as a foreigner, to you and your descendants. It will be their possession forever, and I will be their God.” In the New Testament, Satan offers all the kingdoms on earth to Jesus if he will worship Satan. Luke 4:6-7 “I will give you the glory of these kingdoms and authority over them,” the devil said, “because they are mine to give to anyone I please. I will give it all to you if you will worship me.”

    Nicholas Weber in the Catholic Encyclopedia article Albigenses (1907) notes that the enemies of the Albigenses, a Christian sect in 12th- and 13th-century France, a branch of the Cathari, accused them that their doctrine held that "the creator … of the material world … is the source of all evil … He created the human body and is the author of sin … The Old Testament must be either partly or entirely ascribed to him; whereas the New Testament is the revelation of the beneficent God."[8] They ultimately came into conflict with both the civil order and the Church which lead to the Albigensian Crusade.

    mmmhmm...and what do all these sources have in common? Theyre all europeans with a vested interest in promoting hellenist thought which is prime lubrication for geo-political rape. Yeah...the physical world is evil and eternal life comes after you die...so you shouldn't mind while we take your stuff. Yeah ok.....
  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118
    edited January 2012
    judahxulu wrote: »
    mmmhmm...and what do all these sources have in common? Theyre all europeans with a vested interest in promoting hellenist thought which is prime lubrication for geo-political rape. Yeah...the physical world is evil and eternal life comes after you die...so you shouldn't mind while we take your stuff. Yeah ok.....

    instead they are simply revealing what's in the Bible once you study it as a whole... the Father that Yeshua revealed in the New Testament does not match the characteristics of your old testament god, and many ppl including the black female in the video I posted know it. Also pay attention to the 2 creation stories in genesis, they are both different gods. And many people know the difference between light and darkness... When the time come true light beings will ascend to source and others will remain in the hellish realms of this material earth.


    I don't know what type of Creator you have in your mind but source Creator is pure love that Yeshua talked about...

    John 14:6
    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    1 Corinthians 13:4
    Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

    Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

    Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

    Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

    Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118
    edited January 2012
    Numbers 31:17
    Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

    But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

    dead-child.jpg

    Happy is the one who takes and dashes your little ones against the rock! "
    -- Psalm 137.9.

    Isaiah 13:16
    Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

    Exodus 12:29
    And it came to pass, that at midnight Yahweh smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

    Ezekiel 9:5-6
    And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
    Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

    Isaiah 14:21
    Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
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    Deuteronomy 24:16
    The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118
    waterproof wrote: »
    brother @beenwize, lol.......welcome back

    thanks i don't plan to post as much but jus stopping by... this Jehovah religious tyranny has to stop.
  • waterproofwaterproof Posts: 7,261
    beenwize wrote: »
    waterproof wrote: »
    brother @beenwize, lol.......welcome back

    thanks i don't plan to post as much but jus stopping by... this Jehovah religious tyranny has to stop.

    i agree with you the Jehovah religious tyranny of the church and Pagan worship needs to stop, but YAH BLESS.
  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118
    waterproof wrote: »
    beenwize wrote: »
    waterproof wrote: »
    brother @beenwize, lol.......welcome back

    thanks i don't plan to post as much but jus stopping by... this Jehovah religious tyranny has to stop.

    i agree with you the Jehovah religious tyranny of the church and Pagan worship needs to stop, but YAH BLESS.

    thanks same to u.. I decided to stop speaking on this Yahweh/Jehovah stuff in case he happens to be the true god.

  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118
    edited April 2012
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  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118
    edited April 2012
    beenwize wrote: »
    Numbers 31:17
    Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

    But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

    dead-child.jpg

    Happy is the one who takes and dashes your little ones against the rock! "
    -- Psalm 137.9.

    Isaiah 13:16
    Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

    Exodus 12:29
    And it came to pass, that at midnight Yahweh smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

    Ezekiel 9:5-6
    And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
    Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

    Isaiah 14:21
    Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
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    Deuteronomy 24:16
    The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.



    Who was Yeshua really talking about before the Romans revised the Bible...
  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118
    edited April 2012
  • waterproofwaterproof Posts: 7,261
    edited April 2012
    first YHWH is a demiurge, then you called him by pagan names that the enemy of Yah (and his people the hebrews) use who serve baal by giving him names like Yaldabaoth, or Yahweh and Jehova to confuse and continuing misleading hebrews to worship other gods and demons, now he is a dragon god, you see where i am going with this, you going to find what you looking for because your mind is already set, but you wont find the truth because simple things are hidden from the blind and the unteachable there's thousands of lie's to choose from but there is one TRUTH THAT NEVER CHANGES AND THAT'S YHWH.

    SHALOM
  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,961
    I actually watched the video. Laughable. It doesn't even follow anything vaguely resembling logical thought or common sense. Is this what passes for scholarship these days? You can't draw conclusion about things wrritten in Hebrew and Greek by connecting english words with them that have 2 or 3 of the same consonant or vowel sounds. Language doesn't work like that. Pay attention beenwize. The people who rep foolishness and base thinking out there DO NOT call upon YAHAWAH pronounces just like that. Even if they claim to be Hebrew, it will allways be some incorrect version used like yahweh or ahayah. That's because the ancients were precise. If one letter sound is off, then you are talking about a different entity. If the illuminati worshipped YAHAWAH then they would not have been trying to discredit and murder members of my community to this day because we call upon YAHAWAH. This is a first person account. Proof? Look up the "day of the show of strength" on youtube.actual physical footage of israelis wanting to murder us in our white robes, held off by us CALLING ON YAHAWAH. Its only common sense that a dragon demiurge would not be on our side. Real proof not fake scholarship
    waterproof
  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,961
    So when you reference scriptures about children being killed, think about the video I referred you to. Think of those israeli guns against white robes. Look how they lusted to jump it off and murk us all for WANTING TO MARCH ON JERUSALEM. The kind of nations and people who do those sort of things MUST DIE because they will not stop destroying EVERYTHING by any other means. Cancer cells are living cells that destroy different kinds of living cells. The degenerative cells gotta die or the whole body will die. These are just the cycles of the universe. Death is not the original way but we brought it into existence by our inherent divine power to create. It will be abolished when the ages finish shifting. Till then the bloodthirsty of the earth must pass away. Only this time they're doing it themselves because its not permissable for us to get bloody in this ascension age. Either way its inevitable
    waterproof
  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118

    I hear what y'all are saying, it's just hard for me to get down to try to truly love or worship this entity after reading the Old Testament and seeing all the killings in it. It's too much suffering going around the world and it seems that what is really going on is much deeper than what I see in that KJV Bible.
    bambu
  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,961
    That's why i allways stressed the original hebrew texts. U have to understand linguistic and spiritual context. The ot is just a build up. The main points of the whole narrative is the beginning and the end of it. Mans consciousness evolved to be in the image of god- infinite crreative potential which requires free will. We fucked that up and starting creating mutated thought forms when we submitted to a dualistic mindstate. That's the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.fruit meaning result and not a vegetarian dessert, feel me? Everything after that shows the devolution of this god-mind species. Instructions were given yet altered, comprehended and recorded relative to the peoples level of thinking at that point in time. In the end of the tanach/ot the prophecies extensively state how the shedding of blood is against YHWH will not be permitted, even for food, in the coming age which has recently began.its the second genesis rite now. The new adam is the collective consciousness of man being made new with the god-mind minus the cognitive dissonance. Just keep studying. You'll be surprised. Book reccomendation: the genesis code:god has spoken by abraham lopian and julie a snyder
    waterproof
  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118

    I believe that there is a Creator I just have a big problem with a book saying that a certain entity is the Creator and then says I must do certain things or suffer threats of violence.
  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,961
    The wages of sin are death. We do it to ourselves. The tanach is a do it yourself salvation book. Sin is a mindstate. Change your mind or die. Sounds harsh but that's the reality. The creator doesn't do violence or cause suffering. The creator has made universal laws that require physical matter to bend to our minds for good or bad. Free will
    waterproof
  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,961
    His whole premise is based on a very subjective and shallow interpretation of the inferior english bible translation. The key to understanding why on the novice level is knowing what went down in and on top of ziggurauts and what is implied by them wanting to make a name for themselves in respect to cultural context. Ill give you a clue. Studies will lead you to Marduk. Definite Annunaki/Nefilim connection.
  • beenwizebeenwize Posts: 1,118
    edited April 2012


    Leviticus 21:18 YAHWEH
    For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,





    Matthew 21:14 YESHUA
    And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.
    bambu
  • judahxulujudahxulu Posts: 2,961
    beenwize wrote: »

    Leviticus 21:18 YAHWEH
    For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,





    Matthew 21:14 YESHUA
    And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.

    Lame and out of context. Thats part of the laws concerning memebers of the Aaronic priesthood specifically.17Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. Ooooh Yahs a big meanie cuz he wont let just anybody of Aarons seed make a damn BREAD OFFERING..GTFOH NIGGA.Since Yeshua said he came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it. "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven" (Matt 5:18-20 NAS). What other law of what god could he be referring too/ Why would he keep the passover, a feast commanded by Yah?! You dont make sense dude. You on some troll shit. Shiit..you mean to tell me youre smart enough to pick out those verses to make your point but you aint smart enough to see the sentence before lev. 21;18 talking about the following laws pertain to a very special priesthood/ You smart enough to find a scripture where yeshua heals a man but you mean to tell me you aint never seen nowhere in the gospels where it shows yeshua KEEPING THE LAWS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. You mean to tell me you ain never seen no scrpiptures where he refers to not getting rid of YHWHs laws? GTFOH dud. What kinda deceptive foolishness are you on/ If you gone be a snake at least step your game up and make it somewhat of a challenge to make you look like the confused, pompous ass you are.
    Disciplined InSightbeenwizeascen2012
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