Trayvon Martin Case.... the plot thickens

desertrain10 · March 2012

bow to royalty wrote: »

lighthearted26 wrote: »

bow to royalty wrote: »

Bando Calrissian wrote: »

bow to royalty wrote: »

Never posted in GnS before but seein how people felt about this case. I feel like a lotta black people (I'm black) are handlin this all wrong. BET is doing something on it right now, and the way it's being handled is annoying

care to elaborate?

ol_buddy wrote: »

Why do surveillance cameras still have such low quality

they usually don't. that video isn't from a bad source it's just bad compression. the quality isn't even that bad to me but people will nitpick just to be contrary.

either way they were taking him to the interrogation room which will have had a clear video on him so when he does get charged the lawyers and jury will get to see that this dude barely had a scratch on him.

also - even though this is the same link i posted before they changed the video and enhanced it somewhat: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3OoKTGPVYA

I think people are jumpin on Zimmerman to go to jail too soon before we know the details. And it's hard to get people to listen to you if you're makin uninformed decisions, or if you use a clear bias. For example

"How can he be defending himself if he followed Trayvon?"- A common and stupid question. Following someone isn't the same as starting a physical altercation. And we don't know yet who started throwin punches.

"They told him not to follow Trayvon and he did it anyway!" That's true, but irrelevant. I agree that was wrong of him, but if you want to see Zimmerman in jail you have to point out the ILLEGAL things he did. Stop focusing so hard on Coon, and the following of Trayvon. Attack his crimes not his character if you want him arrested.

We as a people need to do more about racial profiling than just saying to stop it. Stop committing crimes! Every time a black person is pulled over for being black, but weed is found in the car, the person profiling them feels justified. That person just made it harder on other black people. TI was on the BET special yesterday speaking on this issue. And I'm thinkin "TI, you've been a drug dealer! You've gotten arrested for guns and drugs! You're part of the reason people are racially profiling black people." Part of the reason Trayvon was viewed as suspicious was because of the young black people recently committing crimes in the neighborhood.

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Too soon? No he should've been arrested. And people kill me bringing up blacks being at fault. So I guess if I profile a guy of middle eastern descent, and follow him assuming he has a bomb, I can justify it by saying well, your people shouldn't have been bombing then. Besides blacks have been profiled and discriminated against forever. Have we always been a part of why others racially profiled us? And this case just highlights the dangers of profiling because if you do it you might end up killing an innocent person.

I guess you thought people were jumping to conclusion about Casey Anthony as well.her jurors ignored common sense and was thinking like you. Hopefully Zimmerman's jurors have some common sense.

Yes too soon cuz we dunno what happened. There's a report that on the way back to Zimmerman's car Trayvon approached him, and threw the first blow. And that the voice screaming for help on the tape was Zimmerman. Might be true, might not. But it's a realistic possibilty. So it's POSSIBLE a guy saw someone he felt was suspicious and followed him. Then the guy was mad about being followed and beat up his follower. Then Zimmerman was being beaten and screamed for help. No one came. So he had a gun, and used it to defend himself (which is his right). That's an account of what happened....we don't know if it's true or not. But if it is, Zimmerman shouldn't go to jail.

I'm not sayin black people are at fault for the racial profiling. But I am saying some are at fault for re-enforcing it. If people think of black people as stupid know what can be done to change that? BE INTELLIGENT. Just like black coaches in the NFL. They used to think black men couhttp://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/460207/treyvon-martin-case-the-plot-thickens/p20ldn't coach. Then black coaches came in and did well. Now they're getting more opportunities. They fought against and changed a false stereotype. Not just by saying refusing to hire black coaches is wrong. But by taking action and proving the stereotype wrong.

your argument fails to take into account the socioeconomic discrimination that people of color especially blacks have faced for centuries and the correlation between crime and poverty... most the criminal behavior and negative characteristics often associated with members of the black community are more so prevalent in communities of lower socioeconomic status regardless of race, ethnicity, nationality etc...

as far as zimmerman goes....if you take in account trayvon's gf last conversation with him...the 911 tapes...the fact that zimmerman called 911 over the last couple of years over 45 times...zimmerman past run ins with the law....and the fact he has been the subject of numerous complaints by neighbors because of his aggressive behavior..... his story just doesn't add up

than take into consideration that the lead investigator didn't believe zimmerman's story and the many ways in which the sanford pd, who already have had a shady past, completely diverged from typical police protocol in this case...
you can't just say people calling for zimmerman's arrest are jumping to conclusions...

The Prodigalson · March 2012

bow to royalty wrote: »

lighthearted26 wrote: »

@bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

So you saying even though a complete stranger was following him in a car so he ran to another way from the stranger and the stranger get out his car and run behind him that he doesn't have a right to stand his ground? That's what you basically saying even if Zimmerman didn't attack he got close enough to be touch so would the stand your ground turn in Trayvon's favor?

desertrain10 · March 2012

bgoat wrote: »

SuperstarCole wrote: »

313 wayz wrote: »

I watche on CNN today where a person wore a helmet cam and reenacted the beginning and end of the chase within the actual gated community in real time. Zimmerman put in a significant amount of effort to chase Trayvon down. How anybody can defend Zimmerman is beyond me. Facts are facts.....Zimmerman hunted that boy down. I initially thought he had got out the car and immediately tackled Trayvon but that wasnt the case. SMH at anybody trying to defend Zimmerman'ss actions, it's inexcuseable

A nigga just want to know how he went from getting his ass beat on the concrete to shooting treyvon between two houses by trees and shit.

Its a side walk in between the buildings.

i know it was dark ...but if you look at the lay out of the route between his car and the murder scene it would have been close to impossible for zimmerman to completely lose sight of trayvon

playmaker88 · March 2012

The irony in this whole case.. is Trayvon was suspicious of Zimmerman a man who was following him for no good reason..other than his own fear, idiocy, over-zealous nature

bow to royalty · March 2012

The Prodigalson wrote: »

bow to royalty wrote: »

lighthearted26 wrote: »

@bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

So you saying even though a complete stranger was following him in a car so he ran to another way from the stranger and the stranger get out his car and run behind him that he doesn't have a right to stand his ground? That's what you basically saying even if Zimmerman didn't attack he got close enough to be touch so would the stand your ground turn in Trayvon's favor?

Naw, he (Trayvon) does have the right to defend himself if he feels like someone's bout to do physical harm to him. It is possible Zimmerman didn't throw the first blow, but did get in Trayvon's face in a threatening manner. And that could have led to Trayvon hittin Zimmerman cuz he felt threatened (justified). Or maybe Zimmerman asked Trayvon what he was up to, and Trayvon took offense and became the aggressor. By the time they're face to face 6'3" Trayvon may not have been so intimidated by chubby 5' 10" Zimmerman (think those heights are right, but not sure). My whole point is that we don't know what happened. So I'm reserving judgment. Zimmerman could just be an overzealous, nosy dude who was concerned about the safety of his neighbors. And that does make him weird and annoying, but it's his acts that the law is investigating...not his character.

fiat_money · March 2012

bow to royalty wrote: »

Bando Calrissian wrote: »

bow to royalty wrote: »

Never posted in GnS before but seein how people felt about this case. I feel like a lotta black people (I'm black) are handlin this all wrong. BET is doing something on it right now, and the way it's being handled is annoying

care to elaborate?

ol_buddy wrote: »

Why do surveillance cameras still have such low quality

they usually don't. that video isn't from a bad source it's just bad compression. the quality isn't even that bad to me but people will nitpick just to be contrary.

either way they were taking him to the interrogation room which will have had a clear video on him so when he does get charged the lawyers and jury will get to see that this dude barely had a scratch on him.

also - even though this is the same link i posted before they changed the video and enhanced it somewhat: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3OoKTGPVYA

I think people are jumpin on Zimmerman to go to jail too soon before we know the details. And it's hard to get people to listen to you if you're makin uninformed decisions, or if you use a clear bias. For example

"How can he be defending himself if he followed Trayvon?"- A common and stupid question. Following someone isn't the same as starting a physical altercation. And we don't know yet who started throwin punches.

"They told him not to follow Trayvon and he did it anyway!" That's true, but irrelevant. I agree that was wrong of him, but if you want to see Zimmerman in jail you have to point out the ILLEGAL things he did. Stop focusing so hard on Coon, and the following of Trayvon. Attack his crimes not his character if you want him arrested...

Word, niggas' arguments are laced with false dichotomy out chea:

"If the mortician said there were no bruises on Trayvon's knuckles, it couldn't have been self defense."
"If the low-quality video doesn't show blood on Zimmerman's shirt, it couldn't have been self defense."
"If Zimmerman followed Trayvon, it couldn't have been self defense."
"If the fine-ass white bitch saw ZImmerman standing over Trayvon after she heard the shot, it couldn't have been self defense."
"If the states attorney office stopped the police from filing charges, it couldn't have been self defense."

^^^Such arguments are non-refuting, since they must ignore/exclude any alternatives to reach a conclusion.

I don't give a fuck about Zimmerman or Treyvon; but dismantling weak arguments is amusing as fuck.

caddo man · March 2012

Yall know dude is going to get off right?

If you look at all the evidence, there is still doubt on what happened. All they have is really his word.

lighthearted26 · March 2012

Yea because everyone in jail is there because of strong arguments. Hopefully this one is opposite of Casey Anthony and OJ.

Jamaica · March 2012

riddlerap wrote: »

yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.

lighthearted26 · March 2012

Thank you Jamaica. Its still some sensible people in the world.

fiat_money · March 2012

Jamaica wrote: »

riddlerap wrote: »

yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.

The bolded is not illegal, and the underlined is conjecture.

Jamaica · March 2012

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

riddlerap wrote: »

yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.

The bolded is not illegal, and the underlined is conjecture.

I never said it was illegal to follow somebody, the facts are that Zimmerman followed him when he was told not to. Which could be used against him.

fiat_money · March 2012

Jamaica wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

riddlerap wrote: »

yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.

The bolded is not illegal, and the underlined is conjecture.

I never said it was illegal to follow somebody, the facts are that Zimmerman followed him when he was told not to. Which could be used against him.

Can't be used against him if there was nothing legally wrong with it.

Besides, he was told "We don’t need you to do that."; so that doesn't even count as being told not to follow Treyvon.

Furthermore, according to the 911 recording, within 15 seconds of being told "We don’t need you to do that.", he was no longer following Treyvon.

desertrain10 · March 2012

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

riddlerap wrote: »

yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.

The bolded is not illegal, and the underlined is conjecture.

I never said it was illegal to follow somebody, the facts are that Zimmerman followed him when he was told not to. Which could be used against him.

Can't be used against him if there was nothing legally wrong with it.

Besides, he was told "We don’t need you to do that."; so that doesn't even count as being told not to follow Treyvon.

Furthermore, according to the 911 recording, within 15 seconds of being told "We don’t need you to do that.", he was no longer following Treyvon.

@ bolded thats if you believe zimmermans account...

if you listen to the last 911 phone call zimmerman made you can hear at about the 1:45 him get out of his vehicle. the door chimes as the door is opened and then you hear a lot of wind in the background. about 15 seconds after that the dispatcher asks him if he is follow the teen. to which he says "yes" and the dispatch asks him not to do so. but the windy background noise continues for another 15 seconds.

it's quite evident that Zimmerman is a considerable distance from his vehicle. imagine how far you would be from your vehicle if you walked for 30 seconds.
i believe 1 minute after Zimmerman's call, the 2nd call comes in. there is just no way Zimmerman could've returned to his car (about 30 seconds away), the two of them meet up again somehow and get far enough into a shouting match for another call to come in to dispatch in a matter 0f 1 minute. also the woman says this activity is happen BEHIND her house. I'm not aware of any house or neighborhoods where the back of the house faces the road. Zimmerman was likely at least 25 yards away from his vehicle - maybe a lot farther. maybe i'm wrong but this contradicts zimmermans claim and his father's.

evidence whether circumstantial or not such as zimmerman following trayvon can be used in the court of law ...and in imo and in the opinion of the first lead investigator of the case there's enough evidence to lead one to believe zimmerman is not to be believed

my beef and what some people have lost sight of is how could they genuinely say they didn't have enough evidence to charge zimmerman when they had probable cause to arrest him... and sanford pd wasn't and wouldn't be able to talk to all the witnesses, test for DNA, complete ballistic test, etc...really the cheif of police and state prosecutor played judge and jury that night with nothing but zimmerman's word and a couple of witnesses who said they seen trayvon on top of zimmerman

fiat_money · March 2012

desertrain10 wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

riddlerap wrote: »

yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.

The bolded is not illegal, and the underlined is conjecture.

I never said it was illegal to follow somebody, the facts are that Zimmerman followed him when he was told not to. Which could be used against him.

Can't be used against him if there was nothing legally wrong with it.

Besides, he was told "We don’t need you to do that."; so that doesn't even count as being told not to follow Treyvon.

Furthermore, according to the 911 recording, within 15 seconds of being told "We don’t need you to do that.", he was no longer following Treyvon.

@ bolded thats if you believe zimmermans account...

if you listen to the last 911 phone call zimmerman made you can hear at about the 1:45 him get out of his vehicle. the door chimes as the door is opened and then you hear a lot of wind in the background. about 15 seconds after that the dispatcher asks him if he is follow the teen. to which he says "yes" and the dispatch asks him not to do so. but the windy background noise continues for another 15 seconds.

it's quite evident that Zimmerman is a considerable distance from his vehicle. imagine how far you would be from your vehicle if you walked for 30 seconds.
i believe 1 minute after Zimmerman's call, the 2nd call comes in. there is just no way Zimmerman could've returned to his car (about 30 seconds away), the two of them meet up again somehow and get far enough into a shouting match for another call to come in to dispatch in a matter 0f 1 minute. also the woman says this activity is happen BEHIND her house. I'm not aware of any house or neighborhoods where the back of the house faces the road. Zimmerman was likely at least 25 yards away from his vehicle - maybe a lot farther. maybe i'm wrong but this contradicts zimmermans claim and his father's.

and really the totality of the evidence circumstantial or not hurts his claims of self defense...

It goes both ways, the claim that there was any kind of following of Treyvon to begin with is also based on Zimmerman's 911 call.

He was told "We don’t need you to do that." at 2:26, Zimmerman exclaims "He ran" at 2:38, and the "wind" sound dies down by 2:40; all of this takes place within 15 seconds.

Did Zimmerman say he was attacked at his vehicle? Source on this statement?

CopperKing · March 2012

FOX news going hard for zimmerman though...

BoldChild · March 2012

Well, at least I have a reason to randomly run from white/white looking people now if I think they're following or approaching me.

*They call cops*

*police capture me and ask why I'm running*

"shit, I'm not trying to be Trayvon martin'd."

fiat_money · March 2012

BoldChild wrote: »

Well, at least I have a reason to randomly run from white/white looking people now if I think they're following or approaching me.

*They call cops*

*police shoot me and ask why I'm running, as I lay bleeding*

"shit, I'm not trying to be Trayvon martin'd."

Fixed.

desertrain10 · March 2012

fiat_money wrote: »

desertrain10 wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

riddlerap wrote: »

yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.

The bolded is not illegal, and the underlined is conjecture.

I never said it was illegal to follow somebody, the facts are that Zimmerman followed him when he was told not to. Which could be used against him.

Can't be used against him if there was nothing legally wrong with it.

Besides, he was told "We don’t need you to do that."; so that doesn't even count as being told not to follow Treyvon.

Furthermore, according to the 911 recording, within 15 seconds of being told "We don’t need you to do that.", he was no longer following Treyvon.

@ bolded thats if you believe zimmermans account...

if you listen to the last 911 phone call zimmerman made you can hear at about the 1:45 him get out of his vehicle. the door chimes as the door is opened and then you hear a lot of wind in the background. about 15 seconds after that the dispatcher asks him if he is follow the teen. to which he says "yes" and the dispatch asks him not to do so. but the windy background noise continues for another 15 seconds.

it's quite evident that Zimmerman is a considerable distance from his vehicle. imagine how far you would be from your vehicle if you walked for 30 seconds.
i believe 1 minute after Zimmerman's call, the 2nd call comes in. there is just no way Zimmerman could've returned to his car (about 30 seconds away), the two of them meet up again somehow and get far enough into a shouting match for another call to come in to dispatch in a matter 0f 1 minute. also the woman says this activity is happen BEHIND her house. I'm not aware of any house or neighborhoods where the back of the house faces the road. Zimmerman was likely at least 25 yards away from his vehicle - maybe a lot farther. maybe i'm wrong but this contradicts zimmermans claim and his father's.

and really the totality of the evidence circumstantial or not hurts his claims of self defense...

It goes both ways, the claim that there was any kind of following of Treyvon to begin with is also based on Zimmerman's 911 call.

He was told "We don’t need you to do that." at 2:26, Zimmerman exclaims "He ran" at 2:38, and the "wind" sound dies down by 2:40; all of this takes place within 15 seconds.

Did Zimmerman say he was attacked at his vehicle? Source on this statement?

Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.

got it from abc news link http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html

fiat_money · March 2012

desertrain10 wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

desertrain10 wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

riddlerap wrote: »

yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.

The bolded is not illegal, and the underlined is conjecture.

I never said it was illegal to follow somebody, the facts are that Zimmerman followed him when he was told not to. Which could be used against him.

Can't be used against him if there was nothing legally wrong with it.

Besides, he was told "We don’t need you to do that."; so that doesn't even count as being told not to follow Treyvon.

Furthermore, according to the 911 recording, within 15 seconds of being told "We don’t need you to do that.", he was no longer following Treyvon.

@ bolded thats if you believe zimmermans account...

if you listen to the last 911 phone call zimmerman made you can hear at about the 1:45 him get out of his vehicle. the door chimes as the door is opened and then you hear a lot of wind in the background. about 15 seconds after that the dispatcher asks him if he is follow the teen. to which he says "yes" and the dispatch asks him not to do so. but the windy background noise continues for another 15 seconds.

it's quite evident that Zimmerman is a considerable distance from his vehicle. imagine how far you would be from your vehicle if you walked for 30 seconds.
i believe 1 minute after Zimmerman's call, the 2nd call comes in. there is just no way Zimmerman could've returned to his car (about 30 seconds away), the two of them meet up again somehow and get far enough into a shouting match for another call to come in to dispatch in a matter 0f 1 minute. also the woman says this activity is happen BEHIND her house. I'm not aware of any house or neighborhoods where the back of the house faces the road. Zimmerman was likely at least 25 yards away from his vehicle - maybe a lot farther. maybe i'm wrong but this contradicts zimmermans claim and his father's.

and really the totality of the evidence circumstantial or not hurts his claims of self defense...

It goes both ways, the claim that there was any kind of following of Treyvon to begin with is also based on Zimmerman's 911 call.

He was told "We don’t need you to do that." at 2:26, Zimmerman exclaims "He ran" at 2:38, and the "wind" sound dies down by 2:40; all of this takes place within 15 seconds.

Did Zimmerman say he was attacked at his vehicle? Source on this statement?

Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.

got it from abc news link http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html

Doesn't seem like that means he was at his car; but that he was going to it.

Other sites word it differently:

NBC - Brother: George Zimmerman Was in Life or Death Struggle With Trayvon Martin

Zimmerman told police he had been following Martin but was walking back to his car when the teen approached him from behind, punched him in the face, got on top of him while he was on the ground and started bashing his head into the sidewalk.

FOX - Trayvon Martin family attorney: George Zimmerman is a vigilante

. And just to -- just to point out one other thing, is that according to Zimmerman's side, he was walking back to his car when he says he was confronted, in fact, by Trayvon...

ABC - Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

Zimmerman said he was heading back to his car when Martin attacked him.

Max. · March 2012

Stringer bell is killing this thread

No D'angelo

desertrain10 · March 2012

fiat_money wrote: »

desertrain10 wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

desertrain10 wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

riddlerap wrote: »

yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.

The bolded is not illegal, and the underlined is conjecture.

I never said it was illegal to follow somebody, the facts are that Zimmerman followed him when he was told not to. Which could be used against him.

Can't be used against him if there was nothing legally wrong with it.

Besides, he was told "We don’t need you to do that."; so that doesn't even count as being told not to follow Treyvon.

Furthermore, according to the 911 recording, within 15 seconds of being told "We don’t need you to do that.", he was no longer following Treyvon.

@ bolded thats if you believe zimmermans account...

if you listen to the last 911 phone call zimmerman made you can hear at about the 1:45 him get out of his vehicle. the door chimes as the door is opened and then you hear a lot of wind in the background. about 15 seconds after that the dispatcher asks him if he is follow the teen. to which he says "yes" and the dispatch asks him not to do so. but the windy background noise continues for another 15 seconds.

it's quite evident that Zimmerman is a considerable distance from his vehicle. imagine how far you would be from your vehicle if you walked for 30 seconds.
i believe 1 minute after Zimmerman's call, the 2nd call comes in. there is just no way Zimmerman could've returned to his car (about 30 seconds away), the two of them meet up again somehow and get far enough into a shouting match for another call to come in to dispatch in a matter 0f 1 minute. also the woman says this activity is happen BEHIND her house. I'm not aware of any house or neighborhoods where the back of the house faces the road. Zimmerman was likely at least 25 yards away from his vehicle - maybe a lot farther. maybe i'm wrong but this contradicts zimmermans claim and his father's.

and really the totality of the evidence circumstantial or not hurts his claims of self defense...

It goes both ways, the claim that there was any kind of following of Treyvon to begin with is also based on Zimmerman's 911 call.

He was told "We don’t need you to do that." at 2:26, Zimmerman exclaims "He ran" at 2:38, and the "wind" sound dies down by 2:40; all of this takes place within 15 seconds.

Did Zimmerman say he was attacked at his vehicle? Source on this statement?

Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.

got it from abc news link http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html

Doesn't seem like that means he was at his car; but that he was going to it.

Other sites use word it differently:

Brother: George Zimmerman Was in Life or Death Struggle With Trayvon Martin

Zimmerman told police he had been following Martin but was walking back to his car when the teen approached him from behind, punched him in the face, got on top of him while he was on the ground and started bashing his head into the sidewalk.

Trayvon Martin family attorney: George Zimmerman is a vigilante

. And just to --l just to point out one other thing, is that according to Zimmerman's side, he was walking back to his car when he says he was confronted, in fact, by Trayvon...

Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

Zimmerman said he was heading back to his car when Martin attacked him.

ok but still his story doesn't hold up under scrutiny....first he confronted the teen, was punched in the nose and dropped to the ground. this week, he was no longer pursuing Trayvon and was followed back to his car...

also i know it was dark, but based on the physical layout somebody dropped couple pages back, it would have been nearly impossible for him to lose sight of trayvon is such a short amount of time

than zimmerman told dispatchers the person he spotted was coming toward him, and then, seconds later, he said the person was had turned around to run...why?

and if zimmerman is to be believed, trayvon pinned zimmerman down w/ his knees, slamming his head into the concrete walkway, how did trayvon end up lying face down with HIS feet on the sidewalk and his face in the grass? wouldn’t trayvon’s body have wound up with his face toward the sidewalk and his feet in the grass?... even if, after the gunshot, trayvon fell on top of Zimmerman and the larger man pushed him off, why didn’t the body land face up, beside zimmerman, rather than a 180 degree turn from the sidewalk and flipped over?

story isnt adding up

Black_Samson · March 2012

fiat_money · March 2012

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fiat_money wrote: »

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riddlerap wrote: »

yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.

The bolded is not illegal, and the underlined is conjecture.

I never said it was illegal to follow somebody, the facts are that Zimmerman followed him when he was told not to. Which could be used against him.

Can't be used against him if there was nothing legally wrong with it.

Besides, he was told "We don’t need you to do that."; so that doesn't even count as being told not to follow Treyvon.

Furthermore, according to the 911 recording, within 15 seconds of being told "We don’t need you to do that.", he was no longer following Treyvon.

@ bolded thats if you believe zimmermans account...

if you listen to the last 911 phone call zimmerman made you can hear at about the 1:45 him get out of his vehicle. the door chimes as the door is opened and then you hear a lot of wind in the background. about 15 seconds after that the dispatcher asks him if he is follow the teen. to which he says "yes" and the dispatch asks him not to do so. but the windy background noise continues for another 15 seconds.

it's quite evident that Zimmerman is a considerable distance from his vehicle. imagine how far you would be from your vehicle if you walked for 30 seconds.
i believe 1 minute after Zimmerman's call, the 2nd call comes in. there is just no way Zimmerman could've returned to his car (about 30 seconds away), the two of them meet up again somehow and get far enough into a shouting match for another call to come in to dispatch in a matter 0f 1 minute. also the woman says this activity is happen BEHIND her house. I'm not aware of any house or neighborhoods where the back of the house faces the road. Zimmerman was likely at least 25 yards away from his vehicle - maybe a lot farther. maybe i'm wrong but this contradicts zimmermans claim and his father's.

and really the totality of the evidence circumstantial or not hurts his claims of self defense...

It goes both ways, the claim that there was any kind of following of Treyvon to begin with is also based on Zimmerman's 911 call.

He was told "We don’t need you to do that." at 2:26, Zimmerman exclaims "He ran" at 2:38, and the "wind" sound dies down by 2:40; all of this takes place within 15 seconds.

Did Zimmerman say he was attacked at his vehicle? Source on this statement?

Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.

got it from abc news link http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html

Doesn't seem like that means he was at his car; but that he was going to it.

Other sites use word it differently:

Brother: George Zimmerman Was in Life or Death Struggle With Trayvon Martin

Zimmerman told police he had been following Martin but was walking back to his car when the teen approached him from behind, punched him in the face, got on top of him while he was on the ground and started bashing his head into the sidewalk.

Trayvon Martin family attorney: George Zimmerman is a vigilante

. And just to --l just to point out one other thing, is that according to Zimmerman's side, he was walking back to his car when he says he was confronted, in fact, by Trayvon...

Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

Zimmerman said he was heading back to his car when Martin attacked him.

ok but still his story doesn't hold up under scrutiny....first he confronted the teen, was punched in the nose and dropped to the ground. this week, he was no longer pursuing Trayvon and was followed back to his car...

also i know it was dark, but based on the physical layout somebody dropped couple pages back, it would have been nearly impossible for him to lose sight of trayvon is such a short amount of time

than zimmerman told dispatchers the person he spotted was coming toward him, and then, seconds later, he said the person was had turned around...why?

and if zimmerman is to be believed, trayvon pinned zimmerman down w/ his knees, slamming his head into the concrete walkway, how did trayvon end up lying face down with HIS feet on the sidewalk and his face in the grass? wouldn’t trayvon’s body have wound up with his face toward the sidewalk and his feet in the grass?... even if, after the gunshot, trayvon fell on top of Zimmerman and the larger man pushed him off, why didn’t the body land face up, beside zimmerman, rather than a 180 degree turn from the sidewalk and flipped over?

story isnt adding up

One proposed sequence of events based on the neighborhood's layout and the 911 call:

^^This shows how he may have lost sight of Treyvon.

One witness said he saw two people rolling around, plus Treyvon may have moved after being shot; so his body could've ended up facing any number of directions.

Still, this shit is all conjecture.

lion_heart · March 2012

copperkid27 wrote: »

FOX news going hard for zimmerman though...

And what black folks going to do about it...absolutle nothing. Fox News has continue to shit on black people and we've quite as a chruch mouse.

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