Trayvon Martin Case.... the plot thickens

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  • 5th Letter5th Letter AKA 5th Element Posts: 25,522 Regulator
    fiat_money wrote: »
    Jamaica wrote: »
    fiat_money wrote: »
    Jamaica wrote: »
    riddlerap wrote: »
    yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

    The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.
    The bolded is not illegal, and the underlined is conjecture.

    I never said it was illegal to follow somebody, the facts are that Zimmerman followed him when he was told not to. Which could be used against him.
    Can't be used against him if there was nothing legally wrong with it.

    Besides, he was told "We don’t need you to do that."; so that doesn't even count as being told not to follow Treyvon.

    Furthermore, according to the 911 recording, within 15 seconds of being told "We don’t need you to do that.", he was no longer following Treyvon.

    Ok then explain why it can't be used against him. The reason he was told to not follow him was because the police would be there to investigate. If he had turned back around and went home this thread wouldn't exist.

    If he stopped following him how did Zimmerman manage to shoot Trayvon? When reports said he chased down the kid?
  • Supreme_GentlemanSupreme_Gentleman #RapeCulture Posts: 19,626 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dead @ that info graph. How the fuck did they know treyvon was hiding on a patio? Also it doesn't explain how supposedly treyvon decked zimmerman from behind. Unless treyvon appeared out of ninja dust behind him.
  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jamaica wrote: »
    fiat_money wrote: »
    Jamaica wrote: »
    fiat_money wrote: »
    Jamaica wrote: »
    riddlerap wrote: »
    yeah, make sure you dont take into account any facts or details. good call.

    The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon even though he was told not to. Then chased him down and shot him? The only thing that should be investigated is whether it's manslaughter or not. There should be no discussion of whether the shooting was justified.
    The bolded is not illegal, and the underlined is conjecture.

    I never said it was illegal to follow somebody, the facts are that Zimmerman followed him when he was told not to. Which could be used against him.
    Can't be used against him if there was nothing legally wrong with it.

    Besides, he was told "We don’t need you to do that."; so that doesn't even count as being told not to follow Treyvon.

    Furthermore, according to the 911 recording, within 15 seconds of being told "We don’t need you to do that.", he was no longer following Treyvon.

    Ok then explain why it can't be used against him. The reason he was told to not follow him was because the police would be there to investigate. If he had turned back around and went home this thread wouldn't exist.

    If he stopped following him how did Zimmerman manage to shoot Trayvon? When reports said he chased down the kid?
    What reports say he "chased down" Treyvon?

    By "chased down" are you saying that he chased Treyvon until he caught up to him?

    Dead @ that info graph. How the fuck did they know treyvon was hiding on a patio? Also it doesn't explain how supposedly treyvon decked zimmerman from behind. Unless treyvon appeared out of ninja dust behind him.
    There's a disclaimer way at the bottom of the post.
  • TrillaaaaaaTrillaaaaaa Shout Out To All The Pear Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

    Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

    So when a dude starts a fight he can't finish and decides to pull out his pistol and shoot him instead, you consider that's self defense?

    BTW you keep going by Zimmerman's story when he has the most to gain by claiming he was getting "beat to death".

    Zimmerman was the aggressor by everyone else's account. I don't get why you're defending him so vehemently
    kingblaze84
  • In Your Moms RoomIn Your Moms Room Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From the rumor section

    Well, lets get the first thing out of the way. We cannot name names at this time, but this is a massive development from what we are hearing. We are getting word that two veteran megastars in Hip-Hop are working on a major song in honor of Trayvon. Now, the real part is that these two are to of the most respected in the game.

    The are the perfect ones to make the proper connection to all the other big name rappers (and even some singers) to get a “We Are The World” type of song for Trayvon and the others that have been victim of racism and abuses of “authority.”
    Sorry, we cannot offer more details at this time, but things are at an early stage right now. Click here for all of our coverage and opinions on Trayvon and others like him. Stay tuned. Hopefully we’ll have more to offer in a bit.
  • Black_ExcellenceBlack_Excellence What Up Tho! Posts: 25,119 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From the rumor section

    Well, lets get the first thing out of the way. We cannot name names at this time, but this is a massive development from what we are hearing. We are getting word that two veteran megastars in Hip-Hop are working on a major song in honor of Trayvon. Now, the real part is that these two are to of the most respected in the game.

    The are the perfect ones to make the proper connection to all the other big name rappers (and even some singers) to get a “We Are The World” type of song for Trayvon and the others that have been victim of racism and abuses of “authority.”
    Sorry, we cannot offer more details at this time, but things are at an early stage right now. Click here for all of our coverage and opinions on Trayvon and others like him. Stay tuned. Hopefully we’ll have more to offer in a bit.

    Still wont change the fact that zimmerman will get off.
    idoitforhiphop10
  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    GZus wrote: »
    @bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

    Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

    So when a dude starts a fight he can't finish and decides to pull out his pistol and shoot him instead, you consider that's self defense?

    BTW you keep going by Zimmerman's story when he has the most to gain by claiming he was getting "beat to death".

    Zimmerman was the aggressor by everyone else's account. I don't get why you're defending him so vehemently
    Who is "everyone else"?
  • TrillaaaaaaTrillaaaaaa Shout Out To All The Pear Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    fiat_money wrote: »
    False dichotomy. If
    GZus wrote: »
    @bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

    Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

    So when a dude starts a fight he can't finish and decides to pull out his pistol and shoot him instead, you consider that's self defense?

    BTW you keep going by Zimmerman's story when he has the most to gain by claiming he was getting "beat to death".

    Zimmerman was the aggressor by everyone else's account. I don't get why you're defending him so vehemently
    Who is "everyone else"?

    Let me rephrase that, It SEEMS Zimmerman was the agressor by everyone else's account i.e. Trayvon's girlfriend and the two female witnesses
    Young-Ice wrote: »
    GZus wrote: »
    @bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

    Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

    So when a dude starts a fight he can't finish and decides to pull out his pistol and shoot him instead, you consider that's self defense?

    BTW you keep going by Zimmerman's story when he has the most to gain by claiming he was getting "beat to death".

    Zimmerman was the aggressor by everyone else's account. I don't get why you're defending him so vehemently

    You committed the fallacy of attacking the motive. The fact that Zimmerman has much to gain/lose in this situation is irrelevant to what he has actually said.

    The fact of the matter is as you've stated: Trayvon has been established as attempting to escape, and Zimmerman was the one chasing.

    Never said anything of the sort. You're conflating other folk's posts with mine. Put down the Heineken and and step ypur grammar game up

    Also Zimmerman lying about his actions on that night have nothing to do with motive. We all already know his motive, which was to Play John Wayne and protect the neighborhood from a threatening Black guy.

    A person lying about the events that took place the night they committed a crime actually has nothing to do with the motive of said crime
  • bow to royaltybow to royalty Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭
    GZus wrote: »
    @bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

    Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

    So when a dude starts a fight he can't finish and decides to pull out his pistol and shoot him instead, you consider that's self defense?

    BTW you keep going by Zimmerman's story when he has the most to gain by claiming he was getting "beat to death".

    Zimmerman was the aggressor by everyone else's account. I don't get why you're defending him so vehemently

    Not at all what I said. I said if Zimmerman started the fight he should go to jail. I'm saying if Trayvon started the fight, THEN it may be self defense. I'm not really goin by what Zimmerman said, but I'm acknowledging that it may be true. And Zimmerman and Trayvon were the only ones who were there from beginning. So if you're ignoring Zimmerman's account, then ur going by no one's account...and just believing what you want to believe. Only thing I've heard from witnesses is that they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beatin him up.

    People need to stop focusing on Zimmerman following Trayvon because that's not relevant really. What's important is how the confrontation turned physical. In fact let me make a list of the irrelevant distractions people are bringing up.

    -Zimmerman followed Trayvon when he was told he didn't need to do that. That's not illegal. So asking the legal system to take action because of it is foolish

    -Zimmerman called the police all the time Not illegal. In fact promoted by the police.

    -Zimmerman was racially profiling Trayvon Not illegal to be suspicious of someone because they're black. Being a racist is ignorant, but not illegal
    Young-IceTrillaaaaaa
  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    GZus wrote: »
    fiat_money wrote: »
    GZus wrote: »
    @bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

    Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

    So when a dude starts a fight he can't finish and decides to pull out his pistol and shoot him instead, you consider that's self defense?

    BTW you keep going by Zimmerman's story when he has the most to gain by claiming he was getting "beat to death".

    Zimmerman was the aggressor by everyone else's account. I don't get why you're defending him so vehemently
    Who is "everyone else"?

    Let me rephrase that, It SEEMS Zimmerman was the agressor by everyone else's account i.e. Trayvon's girlfriend and the two female witnesses
    Did any of them actually witness the beginning of the altercation?

  • bow to royaltybow to royalty Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭
    fiat_money wrote: »
    GZus wrote: »
    fiat_money wrote: »
    GZus wrote: »
    @bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

    Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

    So when a dude starts a fight he can't finish and decides to pull out his pistol and shoot him instead, you consider that's self defense?

    BTW you keep going by Zimmerman's story when he has the most to gain by claiming he was getting "beat to death".

    Zimmerman was the aggressor by everyone else's account. I don't get why you're defending him so vehemently
    Who is "everyone else"?

    Let me rephrase that, It SEEMS Zimmerman was the agressor by everyone else's account i.e. Trayvon's girlfriend and the two female witnesses
    Did any of them actually witness the beginning of the altercation?

    Exactly what I'm sayin. People are believin what they want to believe. They say Zimmerman's lyin, but don't have anyone they can say is tellin the truth
  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MR.CJ wrote: »
    They can't confirm that the voice was Treyvon's either, so their conclusion holds less weight than the eyewitness who says he saw Zimmerman screaming to him for help.
    obnoxiouslyfresh
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  • desertrain10desertrain10 Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    fiat_money wrote: »
    MR.CJ wrote: »
    They can't confirm that the voice was Treyvon's either, so their conclusion holds less weight than the eyewitness who says he saw Zimmerman screaming to him for help.

    are you talking about "john"....the witness who came forward weeks after the murder. who wouldn't reveal his identity to the press?

    maybe both men were at one point in time crying for help..... not to far fetched....but i dunno....

    all we know now at least according to the words of 2 leading experts in the field of voice forensics is that the person crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot is not zimmerman... so it had to have been trayvon....

    this along with the 911 tapes, zimmerman's shaky story, trayvons gf's testimony, the police surveillance video, zimmerman's history of violent behavior is more than enough to have him arrested... they can't bs any longer

  • TrillaaaaaaTrillaaaaaa Shout Out To All The Pear Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    fiat_money wrote: »
    GZus wrote: »
    fiat_money wrote: »
    GZus wrote: »
    @bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

    Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

    So when a dude starts a fight he can't finish and decides to pull out his pistol and shoot him instead, you consider that's self defense?

    BTW you keep going by Zimmerman's story when he has the most to gain by claiming he was getting "beat to death".

    Zimmerman was the aggressor by everyone else's account. I don't get why you're defending him so vehemently
    Who is "everyone else"?

    Let me rephrase that, It SEEMS Zimmerman was the agressor by everyone else's account i.e. Trayvon's girlfriend and the two female witnesses
    Did any of them actually witness the beginning of the altercation?

    No, and this is where Zimmerman's story all conveniently comes together in favor of him. Trayvon unfortunately doesn't have the luxury to tell his side.
    GZus wrote: »
    @bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

    Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

    So when a dude starts a fight he can't finish and decides to pull out his pistol and shoot him instead, you consider that's self defense?

    BTW you keep going by Zimmerman's story when he has the most to gain by claiming he was getting "beat to death".

    Zimmerman was the aggressor by everyone else's account. I don't get why you're defending him so vehemently

    Not at all what I said. I said if Zimmerman started the fight he should go to jail. I'm saying if Trayvon started the fight, THEN it may be self defense. I'm not really goin by what Zimmerman said, but I'm acknowledging that it may be true. And Zimmerman and Trayvon were the only ones who were there from beginning. So if you're ignoring Zimmerman's account, then ur going by no one's account...and just believing what you want to believe. Only thing I've heard from witnesses is that they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beatin him up.

    People need to stop focusing on Zimmerman following Trayvon because that's not relevant really. What's important is how the confrontation turned physical. In fact let me make a list of the irrelevant distractions people are bringing up.

    -Zimmerman followed Trayvon when he was told he didn't need to do that. That's not illegal. So asking the legal system to take action because of it is foolish

    -Zimmerman called the police all the time Not illegal. In fact promoted by the police.

    -Zimmerman was racially profiling Trayvon Not illegal to be suspicious of someone because they're black. Being a racist is ignorant, but not illegal

    I'm not ignoring Zimmerman's account at all. I've acknowledged it the entire time. In fact we're discussing that very topic. It just seems implausible to me since Trayvon was the one being pursued and Zimmerman was the one who initiated the altercation considering the FACT he was told by 911 operators to not continue to follow the "suspect". Zimmerman following him is completely relevant because the shooting would've never occurred had he not followed him.

    Now say Zimmerman's account is actually true. A strange man stalks an individual and said strange man isn't an officer but happens to be armed, the two proceed to engage in a fight. Common sense dictates that the unarmed individual being stalked is actually the one in position to self defend himself. So even if Zimmerman is being truthful, which I doubt, Trayvon was actually the one standing his ground.

    You mentioned a lot of bullshit about how what Zimmerman was doing nothing illegal. Okay, this is true. But neither was Martin. Playing field is leveled at that junction. An armed man who has absolutely no level of authority can't just start a fight (yes, by perusing someone he was advised not to) and claim self defense after he feels he's lost. And to claim self defense doesn't suffice since that would mean the opposing party put the defender in imminent danger; not to mention, danger that Zimmerman placed himself in.
    idoitforhiphop10
  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    fiat_money wrote: »
    MR.CJ wrote: »
    They can't confirm that the voice was Treyvon's either, so their conclusion holds less weight than the eyewitness who says he saw Zimmerman screaming to him for help.

    are you talking about "john"....the witness who came forward weeks after the murder. who wouldn't reveal his identity to the press?

    maybe both men were at one point in time crying for help..... not to far fetched....but i dunno....

    all we know now at least according to the words of 2 leading experts in the field of voice forensics is that the person crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot is not zimmerman... so it had to have been trayvon....

    this along with the 911 tapes, zimmerman's shaky story, trayvons gf's testimony, the police surveillance video, zimmerman's history of violent behavior is more than enough to have him arrested... they can't bs any longer
    If by "John", you're referring to the witness who made statements to police the same night of the shooting; then the answer is "yes".

    In any form of scientific test, there is always possibility that the method is flawed; unless they can confirm whether or not the voice matches Treyvon's, their conclusion isn't sound. Think about it, the statement "It was not Zimmerman's voice" would still be true if their testing showed it wasn't Treyvon's either. Of course, you're right; they may have both been yelling at various points.

    The 911 tapes only confirm that there was shouting, an altercation, and a shooting; neither of these dispute Zimmerman's claims. The girlfriend's account ends before the altercation.

    The video shows abrasions of some form to his head:
    ibfwXVCa8yL8KB.png

    Even people who have been violent in the past are allowed to use self-defense.

    This is why he has not been arrested yet.
  • obnoxiouslyfreshobnoxiouslyfresh ***Ms AllHipHop 2014*** Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    fiat_money wrote: »
    MR.CJ wrote: »
    They can't confirm that the voice was Treyvon's either, so their conclusion holds less weight than the eyewitness who says he saw Zimmerman screaming to him for help.


    Oh shut up!
    TheIraqfiat_moneyp-tavern
  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    fiat_money wrote: »
    MR.CJ wrote: »
    They can't confirm that the voice was Treyvon's either, so their conclusion holds less weight than the eyewitness who says he saw Zimmerman screaming to him for help.


    Oh shut up!
    Person 1: I don't think that this fruit is an apple.
    Person 2: It must be an orange!
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  • CopperCopper The WickPosts: 36,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lol @ running up on someone with a gun and having to kill them in self defense
  • fiat_moneyfiat_money Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lol @ running up on someone with a gun and having to kill them in self defense
    Word, Zimmerman is a bitch-ass nigga no doubt.
  • TrillaaaaaaTrillaaaaaa Shout Out To All The Pear Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Young-Ice wrote: »
    GZus wrote: »
    fiat_money wrote: »
    False dichotomy. If
    GZus wrote: »
    @bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

    Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

    So when a dude starts a fight he can't finish and decides to pull out his pistol and shoot him instead, you consider that's self defense?

    BTW you keep going by Zimmerman's story when he has the most to gain by claiming he was getting "beat to death".

    Zimmerman was the aggressor by everyone else's account. I don't get why you're defending him so vehemently
    Who is "everyone else"?

    Let me rephrase that, It SEEMS Zimmerman was the agressor by everyone else's account i.e. Trayvon's girlfriend and the two female witnesses
    Young-Ice wrote: »
    GZus wrote: »
    @bow. See I get what you saying but what is suspicious? Okay there were break ins all committed by black men, so I might give u that one. But then Zimmerman went overboard talking about he looks like he is on drugs, like he is up to something and he looks suspicious. Having black skin and walking is suspicious now even though that neighborhood is almost half black? This dude wanted to catch a robber in action and left his common sense behind to do so. To me suspicious is walking in circles or looking through someone's window or starting at a particular house, not just walking. And honestly we all know someone who was stopped by police because they looked like some suspect they are chasing but once you take it to that next level and kill them, there is no excuse and you should be in jail.

    Dude was definitely overzealous. And if he started the fight I think he should go to jail. But if he didn't, then I dunno. If Trayvon started the fight, then had Zimmerman on the ground screamin for help, and no one was comin to help. Then he may be justified in shooting him.

    So when a dude starts a fight he can't finish and decides to pull out his pistol and shoot him instead, you consider that's self defense?

    BTW you keep going by Zimmerman's story when he has the most to gain by claiming he was getting "beat to death".

    Zimmerman was the aggressor by everyone else's account. I don't get why you're defending him so vehemently

    You committed the fallacy of attacking the motive. The fact that Zimmerman has much to gain/lose in this situation is irrelevant to what he has actually said.

    The fact of the matter is as you've stated: Trayvon has been established as attempting to escape, and Zimmerman was the one chasing.

    Never said anything of the sort. You're conflating other folk's posts with mine. Put down the Heineken and and step ypur grammar game up

    Also Zimmerman lying about his actions on that night have nothing to do with motive. We all already know his motive, which was to Play John Wayne and protect the neighborhood from a threatening Black guy.

    A person lying about the events that took place the night they committed a crime actually has nothing to do with the motive of said crime

    1. That wasn't grammar that i fucked up. I misinterpreted your post. It would have been a fallacy had I tried to refute it.
    2. Nice spelling errors,
    3. Your grammar needs work. "Also Zimmerman lying about his actions on that night have nothing to do with motive." come on son.
    4. Are you saying that the girl Trayvon was talking to on the phone was lying & that trayvon was not evading Zimmerman?

    Wow...A typo in the word your and a missed apostrophe -_____-

    The fault with your grammar was the fact that you used the word fallacy in an improper context and that motive didn't apply to what we were discussing.

    Zimmerman lying about his actions doesn't have have anything to do with motive since we already know what his motive was. His motive was to pursue a suspicious individual. That's it. That's not pertinent at all.

    Again, I said nothing about Martin evading a threatening civilian with no authority nor did I say anything about his girlfriend mentioning that fact.
  • riddlerapriddlerap G Unit 4 Life 50's MansionPosts: 13,709 ✭✭✭✭✭
    GZus wrote:

    Now say Zimmerman's account is actually true. A strange man stalks an individual and said strange man isn't an officer but happens to be armed, the two proceed to engage in a fight. Common sense dictates that the unarmed individual being stalked is actually the one in position to self defend himself. So even if Zimmerman is being truthful, which I doubt, Trayvon was actually the one standing his ground.

    You mentioned a lot of bullshit about how what Zimmerman was doing nothing illegal. Okay, this is true. But neither was Martin. Playing field is leveled at that junction. An armed man who has absolutely no level of authority can't just start a fight (yes, by perusing someone he was advised not to) and claim self defense after he feels he's lost. And to claim self defense doesn't suffice since that would mean the opposing party put the defender in imminent danger; not to mention, danger that Zimmerman placed himself in.

    why are people talking like Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun the entire time? has this been proven already? what if Trayvon didnt know Zimmerman had a gun, until he was already fighting him and about to be shot. and its not as if Zimmerman planned to shoot him no matter what happened (most likely).
    Trillaaaaaa
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