Do you think black people are hurt by the pressure to stay "real"?

bow to royalty · April 2012

I feel like a lot of black people feel that successful blacks owe them something, or need to always remind them how real they are. And I think it pressures successful blacks to do stupid shit that's unnecessary out of fear that they'll look like an Uncle Tom or some shit. For example, look how many N.O. people will say shit like "Wayne can't come back to the hood" or whatever rapper and their hometown. Why are these rappers over 30, millionaires, and still yellin what gang they represent? Why do rappers and athletes go to places where poor people go KNOWING they're targets, when common sense tells them not to?

Do you think the black community's pressure and requirements of other blacks hurts them to an extent?

memphis10 · April 2012

Shd never be any pressure to be real. that shit as natural as breathing. just don't forget where you came from and get on a high horse once you get a lil fetti . that just like ppl who came from the projects go to college and become a politician or sum and then shit on ppl in them same projects talkin bout cut food stamps and wic. like nigga not too long ago you were one of them ppl. I think its more pressure to put on a fake act. you gotta work to keep that shit up, but bein real don't cost nothin.

Q45T · April 2012

I'm me... not what other people want me to be. Simple as that.

Mood Indigo · April 2012

For some, yes for me? I couldn't be considered "real" in that way even if I tried. Lol. And the black people I know have always respected me for that. I don't try to fit in because it would look phony.

I fit in with my group of black people and they fit in with their's.

bow to royalty · April 2012

IntellectualViolence wrote: »

first of all, I'm not sure u know what keeping it real means...
secondly, the weak and ignorant will always be susceptible to foolishness... ask poor white rebuplicans...
can we stop with the "black people aint shit" threads... at least for today...?

I'm talkin bout the shit that people say "he's real" for. Ask some people who the realest rapper, basketball player, and NFL players are and ask them why. And check the reasoning. In fact I'll make a thread in cheap seats, and we'll see the responses. Just no one who's seen this comment in there.

Matt- · April 2012

you are talking about rappers and celebs. thats not comparable to the every day folk. i'm sure that the everyday working black person, who isn't working at fedex, could really care less about going back to their old neighborhoods or still being about that life once they've grown and found success. And on the other hand, i think there are blacks who dont do shit, have little hustle, milk the unemployment, milk their own plasma at the clinic, spend more than they make, worry about impressing other varmints. They'll refuse to live a productive and meaningful life all under the guise of keeping it real, but their unwillingness to move past that mentality has more to do with their own laziness

bow to royalty · April 2012

Matt- wrote: »

you are talking about rappers and celebs. thats not comparable to the every day folk. i'm sure that the everyday working black person, who isn't working at fedex, could really care less about going back to their old neighborhoods or still being about that life once they've grown and found success. And on the other hand, i think there are blacks who dont do shit, have little huste, spend more than they make, worry about impressing other varmints. They'll refuse to live a productive and meaningful life all under the guise of keeping it real, but their unwillingness to move past that mentality has more to do with their own laziness

I hear you, but what percentage of black millionaires got there from being an athlete or celebrity? I'm guessin it's a decently high percentage, so it's not like i'm talkin about just 3% of the people. You're in the CS as much as or more than me Matt. Am I bullshittin about what makes people call these athletes and celebrities real?

bow to royalty · April 2012

IntellectualViolence wrote: »

ask a fool or lowlife anything and they will give u a foolsih answer...

I just referred to the sports section of a predominantly black forum. You labeled the people

Makaveli Joker · April 2012

I have made it known forever that if I ever got rich, fuck the hood Im gone

Matt- · April 2012

bow to royalty wrote: »

Matt- wrote: »

you are talking about rappers and celebs. thats not comparable to the every day folk. i'm sure that the everyday working black person, who isn't working at fedex, could really care less about going back to their old neighborhoods or still being about that life once they've grown and found success. And on the other hand, i think there are blacks who dont do shit, have little huste, spend more than they make, worry about impressing other varmints. They'll refuse to live a productive and meaningful life all under the guise of keeping it real, but their unwillingness to move past that mentality has more to do with their own laziness

I hear you, but what percentage of black millionaires got there from being an athlete or celebrity? I'm guessin it's a decently high percentage, so it's not like i'm talkin about just 3% of the people. You're in the CS as much as or more than me Matt. Am I bullshittin about what makes people call these athletes and celebrities real?

well, i think most people would say that Bobby Knight keeps it real

bow to royalty · April 2012

The_Maryvale_Joker wrote: »

I have made it known forever that if I ever got rich, fuck the hood Im gone

Nothing wrong with that. Why work hard for money but not significantly improve your quality of life?

bow to royalty · April 2012

Matt- wrote: »

bow to royalty wrote: »

Matt- wrote: »

you are talking about rappers and celebs. thats not comparable to the every day folk. i'm sure that the everyday working black person, who isn't working at fedex, could really care less about going back to their old neighborhoods or still being about that life once they've grown and found success. And on the other hand, i think there are blacks who dont do shit, have little huste, spend more than they make, worry about impressing other varmints. They'll refuse to live a productive and meaningful life all under the guise of keeping it real, but their unwillingness to move past that mentality has more to do with their own laziness

I hear you, but what percentage of black millionaires got there from being an athlete or celebrity? I'm guessin it's a decently high percentage, so it's not like i'm talkin about just 3% of the people. You're in the CS as much as or more than me Matt. Am I bullshittin about what makes people call these athletes and celebrities real?

well, i think most people would say that Bobby Knight keeps it real

Ya they would. That's a white guy that's an example of my point. He's famous for being unprofessional and doin ignorant shit.

Du_Du · April 2012

some people place far too much of their personal happiness on the perception of others...

desertrain10 · April 2012

i dunno...

keeping it real to me is never forgetting where u came from and how you to where you are now ... *shrugs*

Clarence Thomas' opposition to affirmative action ...not keeping it real...

bow to royalty · April 2012

IntellectualViolence wrote: »

bow to royalty wrote: »

Matt- wrote: »

bow to royalty wrote: »

Matt- wrote: »

you are talking about rappers and celebs. thats not comparable to the every day folk. i'm sure that the everyday working black person, who isn't working at fedex, could really care less about going back to their old neighborhoods or still being about that life once they've grown and found success. And on the other hand, i think there are blacks who dont do shit, have little huste, spend more than they make, worry about impressing other varmints. They'll refuse to live a productive and meaningful life all under the guise of keeping it real, but their unwillingness to move past that mentality has more to do with their own laziness

I hear you, but what percentage of black millionaires got there from being an athlete or celebrity? I'm guessin it's a decently high percentage, so it's not like i'm talkin about just 3% of the people. You're in the CS as much as or more than me Matt. Am I bullshittin about what makes people call these athletes and celebrities real?

well, i think most people would say that Bobby Knight keeps it real

Ya they would. That's a white guy that's an example of my point. He's famous for being unprofessional and doin ignorant shit.

false...

Not false. He's a very legit and accomplished coach. But when people explain why Bob Knight's real, it'll be because of the crazy shit. Just like Rodman has legit accomplishments...he's in the HOF. But he's more known for the crazy shit he did

Matt- · April 2012

bow to royalty wrote: »

Matt- wrote: »

bow to royalty wrote: »

Matt- wrote: »

you are talking about rappers and celebs. thats not comparable to the every day folk. i'm sure that the everyday working black person, who isn't working at fedex, could really care less about going back to their old neighborhoods or still being about that life once they've grown and found success. And on the other hand, i think there are blacks who dont do shit, have little huste, spend more than they make, worry about impressing other varmints. They'll refuse to live a productive and meaningful life all under the guise of keeping it real, but their unwillingness to move past that mentality has more to do with their own laziness

I hear you, but what percentage of black millionaires got there from being an athlete or celebrity? I'm guessin it's a decently high percentage, so it's not like i'm talkin about just 3% of the people. You're in the CS as much as or more than me Matt. Am I bullshittin about what makes people call these athletes and celebrities real?

well, i think most people would say that Bobby Knight keeps it real

Ya they would. That's a white guy that's an example of my point. He's famous for being unprofessional and doin ignorant shit.

and to that, i'd say he's famous for not always toting the company line, not being politically correct, working according to his terms, and using his success as leverage during/after his career to make all those other things possible.

fiat_money · April 2012

You got this shit backwards. People feel "pressure" to be fake (IE: "Pretend that you like these motherfuckers", or "Act like this morally outrages you.").

Being real is a person's natural state, their status quo.

Matt- · April 2012

alot of people probably say that allen iverson kept it real, not changing his image, keeping his same style of play, almost presenting himself as an extension of the hood, but i seriously doubt that any black person would say that, "if i get rich, i want to do just like Iverson did"

bow to royalty · April 2012

fiat_money wrote: »

You got this shit backwards. People feel "pressure" to be fake (IE: "Pretend that you like these motherfuckers", or "Act like this morally outrages you.").

Being real is a person's natural state, their status quo.

That's why I put real in quotes

bow to royalty · April 2012

1970s

It was reported (although years after the incident) that Knight choked and punched IU's longtime sports information director, Kit Klingelhoffer, in the 1970s, over a news release that upset the coach.[6]

On December 7, 1974, Indiana and Kentucky met in the regular season in Bloomington with a 98-74 Indiana win. Near the end of the game, Bob Knight went to the Kentucky bench where the official was standing to complain about a call. Before he left, Knight hit Kentucky coach Joe B. Hall in the back of the head.[30] UK's assistant coach Lynn Nance, a former FBI agent who was about 6 feet 5 inches, had to be restrained by Hall from hitting Knight. Hall later said, "It publicly humiliated me."[31] Knight said the slap to the head was something he has done, "affectionately" to his own players for years. "But maybe someone would not like that," he said. "If Joe didn't like it, I offer an apology. I don't apologize for the intent." ... "Hall and I have been friends for a long time," Knight said. "If he wants to dissolve the friendship, that's up to him."[32] Knight blamed the furor on Hall, noting in his inimitable style, "If it was meant to be malicious, I'd have blasted the fucker into the seats."[33]

During the 1979 Pan American Games in San Juan, Puerto Rico, Knight was accused of assaulting a police officer while coaching the US Basketball team before a practice session. He was later convicted in absentia to a six-month jail sentence, but extradition efforts by the Puerto Rican government were not successful.[34]

[edit] 1980s

In February 1985, Knight threw a chair across the court to protest a referee's call during a game against the rival Purdue Boilermakers.[35] Knight was suspended for one game and received two years' probation from the Big Ten Conference.

Women's groups nationwide were outraged by Knight's comments during an April 1988 interview with Connie Chung in which he said, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."[36] Knight's comment was in reference to an Indiana basketball game in which he felt the referees were making poor calls against the Hoosiers.

[edit] 1990s

In March 1992 prior to the NCAA regional finals, controversy erupted after Knight playfully mock whipped Indiana players Calbert Cheaney and Pat Graham during practice. The bullwhip had been given to Knight as a gift from his team. Several black leaders complained at the racial connotations of the act (Cheaney is black.) [37]

Knight was shown berating an NCAA volunteer at a March 1995 post-game press conference following a 65–60 loss to Missouri in the first round of the NCAA tournament held in Boise, Idaho. The volunteer, Rance Pugmire, informed the press that Knight would not be attending the press conference, when in reality, Knight was running a few minutes late and had planned on attending per NCAA rules. Knight was shown saying: "You've only got two people that are going to tell you I'm not going to be here. One is our SID [Sports Information Director], and the other is me. Who the hell told you I wasn't going to be here? I'd like to know. Do you have any idea who it was?...Who?...They were from Indiana, right?...No, they weren't from Indiana, and you didn't get it from anybody from Indiana, did you?...No, I—I'll handle this the way I want to handle it now that I'm here. You (EXPLETIVE) it up to begin with. Now just sit there or leave. I don't give (EXPLETIVE) what you do. Now back to the game."[38]

Former IU player Neil Reed alleged that Knight had grabbed him by the neck in a choking manner during a 1997 practice. A videotape of the incident was shown on CNN.[6]

[edit] 2000s

On February 19, 2000, Clarence Doninger, Knight's boss, alleged to have been physically threatened by the coach during a confrontation after a game.[6]

An IU investigation inquired about an allegation in which Knight berated and physically intimidated a university secretary, once throwing a potted plant in anger, showering her with glass and debris. The University later asked the coach to issue an apology to the secretary.[6]

It was alleged that Knight attacked assistant coach Ron Felling, throwing him out of a chair after overhearing him criticizing the basketball program in a phone conversation.[6]

On September 8, 2000, IU freshman Kent Harvey told campus police Knight grabbed him roughly by the arm and berated him for speaking to the coach disrespectfully. Knight admitted putting his hand on the student's arm and lecturing him on civility, but denied that he was rough or raised his voice. The coach was fired from IU two days later.[6]

Two days after Knight was fired from Indiana University, Jeremy Schaap of ESPN interviewed him and discussed his time at Indiana. Towards the end of the interview, Knight talked about his son, Patrick, who had also been dismissed by the university, wanting an opportunity to be a head coach. Schaap, thinking that Knight was finished, attempted to move on to another subject, but Knight insisted on continuing about his son. Schaap repeatedly tried to ask another question when Knight shifted the conversation to Schaap's style of interviewing, notably chastising him about interruptions. Knight then commented (referring to Schaap's father, Dick Schaap), "You've got a long way to go to be as good as your dad!"[39]
In March 2006, a student's heckling at Baylor University resulted in Knight having to be restrained by a police officer. The incident was not severe enough to warrant any action from the Big 12 Conference.[40]
On November 13, 2006, Knight was shown allegedly hitting player Michael Prince under the chin to get him to make eye contact. Although Knight didn't comment on the incident afterwards and as of yet hasn't done so, Prince, his parents, and Texas Tech Athletic Director Gerald Myers insisted that Knight did nothing wrong and that he merely lifted Prince's chin and told him "Hold your head up and don't worry about mistakes. Just play the game." Prince commented, "He was trying to teach me and I had my head down so he raised my chin up. He was telling me to go out there and don't be afraid to make mistakes. He said I was being too hard on myself."[41]
On October 21, 2007, James Simpson of Lubbock, Texas, accused Knight of firing a shotgun in his direction after he yelled at Knight and another man for hunting too close to his home.[42] Knight denied the allegations. An argument between the two men was recorded via camera phone and aired later on television.[43]
On December 17, 2009, Knight insulted longtime rival Kentucky and its basketball coach John Calipari, saying "We've gotten into this situation where integrity is really lacking and that's why I'm glad I'm not coaching," he said. "You see we've got a coach at Kentucky, who put two schools [UMass and Memphis on probation and he's still coaching. I really don't understand that."
On April 18, 2011, video surfaced showing Knight responding to a question concerning John Calipari and the University of Kentucky men's basketball team by stating that in the previous season, Kentucky made an Elite Eight appearance the year before with "5 players who had not attended a single class that semester." These claims were later disproved by the University and the five players in question, including Patrick Patterson, who graduated in three years, and John Wall, who finished the semester in question with a 3.5 GPA.[44] Knight later apologized for his comments stating that "My overall point is that 'one-and-dones' are not healthy for college basketball. I should not have made it personal to Kentucky and its players and I apologize."[45]

bow to royalty · April 2012

Not takin away from what Knight accomplished. But let's not downplay the inappropriate shit he did

lamontbdc · April 2012

bow to royalty wrote: »

IntellectualViolence wrote: »

first of all, I'm not sure u know what keeping it real means...
secondly, the weak and ignorant will always be susceptible to foolishness... ask poor white rebuplicans...
can we stop with the "black people aint shit" threads... at least for today...?

I'm talkin bout the shit that people say "he's real" for. Ask some people who the realest rapper, basketball player, and NFL players are and ask them why. And check the reasoning. In fact I'll make a thread in cheap seats, and we'll see the responses. Just no one who's seen this comment in there.

I understand what you are saying but the ppl who say "he's real" are just as lost as the person they are commenting on. we have no idea what color half the ppl typing responses even are. They have no clue what it means. It's just shit ppl say.

Matt- · April 2012

lol. come on fam. imma keep it real witchu. nobody is even reading a word of that

fiat_money · April 2012

bow to royalty wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

You got this shit backwards. People feel "pressure" to be fake (IE: "Pretend that you like these motherfuckers", or "Act like this morally outrages you.").

Being real is a person's natural state, their status quo.

That's why I put real in quotes

Quotes still don't "obvert" the meaning of a word yo.

bow to royalty · April 2012

fiat_money wrote: »

bow to royalty wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

You got this shit backwards. People feel "pressure" to be fake (IE: "Pretend that you like these motherfuckers", or "Act like this morally outrages you.").

Being real is a person's natural state, their status quo.

That's why I put real in quotes

Quotes still don't "obvert" the meaning of a word yo.

Yes they can. This can't seriously be something new to you.

NothingButTheTruth · April 2012

No, and I'm speaking from experience.

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