Jay-Z in his Prime>>>>> Anyone

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  • EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..


    whats so great about biggie lyrically? overall rapper? he was great. but lyrically many are better.

    If I have to explain to you whats so great about him as a Lyricist.. Chances are you just wont get it.. So lets just agree to disagree.. I suggest you give LAD a unbiased listen.. That explains everything clearly.. When you factor that it came out back in 1997... And was recorded for most of 96'

    people just overrate his verses a lot. a biased opinion would be saying biggie is the best just because everybody else does. there's really nothing to "get". big could never even drop a verse like shiny suit theory.

    Victory says Hi.. SMH...

    one of his more overrated performances, except the jackson tyson line. he was nice, but not that nice.
    rip.dillarapmastermindFuriousOnealmighty breeze
  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 13,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..


    whats so great about biggie lyrically? overall rapper? he was great. but lyrically many are better.

    If I have to explain to you whats so great about him as a Lyricist.. Chances are you just wont get it.. So lets just agree to disagree.. I suggest you give LAD a unbiased listen.. That explains everything clearly.. When you factor that it came out back in 1997... And was recorded for most of 96'

    people just overrate his verses a lot. a biased opinion would be saying biggie is the best just because everybody else does. there's really nothing to "get". big could never even drop a verse like shiny suit theory.

    Victory says Hi.. SMH...

    one of his more overrated performances, except the jackson tyson line. he was nice, but not that nice.

    yet Jay bit that line.. as did other mcs... that hella overrated huh?
    rip.dillaIntellectualViolence
  • aneed123 wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..


    whats so great about biggie lyrically? overall rapper? he was great. but lyrically many are better.

    If I have to explain to you whats so great about him as a Lyricist.. Chances are you just wont get it.. So lets just agree to disagree.. I suggest you give LAD a unbiased listen.. That explains everything clearly.. When you factor that it came out back in 1997... And was recorded for most of 96'

    people just overrate his verses a lot. a biased opinion would be saying biggie is the best just because everybody else does. there's really nothing to "get". big could never even drop a verse like shiny suit theory.

    Victory says Hi.. SMH...

    one of his more overrated performances, except the jackson tyson line. he was nice, but not that nice.

    yet Jay bit that line.. as did other mcs... that hella overrated huh?

    i said except that line first of all. and yes, overall it wasn't that great. long kiss, kick in the door >>>>>>>>>>>>> victory
    rip.dillarapmastermindalmighty breeze
  • ptowndonte wrote: »
    People still in denial about Jay being better than Biggie

    Jay was/is better than Biggie... Had Biggie lived longer, people would've been like:

    "Aye... Why is Jay murkin' this Commission album bro? I thought Biggie was about to school him..."

    However, I would contend that Nas in '96 was better than Jay in '96...

    It doesn't matter though, they're the top two GOATs in my opinion, so it's a win win whenever they drop some hot shit- I love bumpin' either any day of the week.

    rip.dillaThaCerealKilla
  • rip.dillarip.dilla Posts: 13,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
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  • CoolJoeCoolJoe Posts: 5,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Post some BIG lyrics that are as lyrically deep as D'Evils.
    Please.

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  • longmeatlongmeat Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭
    Ima have to give that title to the true king or ny the notorious one.
  • white715white715 Posts: 6,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've never heard people say Jay was GOAT til nigga was on Black album pleading his case
    nujerz84tompetrez3NothingButTheTruth
  • 86 jordan86 jordan Posts: 96
    Nas
    BIG
    Jay
    lyrically Big L was better, he out shined Jay easily in the freestyle
    But regardless of opinions Jay is in the convo for his era
  • MaalikMaalik Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
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    Big was not more lyrical than Jay. cut the shit. its just yall 90s niggas holding on to nostalgia.


    I sold it all from crack to o-pium, in third person
    I don't wanna see em, so I'm rehearsin
    with my peoples how to G' em, from a remote lo-cation
    in the BM, scopin the whole situation like, "Dayamm!"
    Metamorphic, as the dope turns to cre-am
    but one of these buyers got eyes like a Korean
    It's difficult to read em, the windows to his soul
    are half closed, I put the key in
    Pulled off slow, hopin my people flee-in
    Chink tried to knock the only link that tied me in
    Coppers was watchin us through nighttime binoculars
    This time they got us on tape, exchangin dope for dollars
    Make me wanna, holler back at the crib in the sauna
    Prayin my people bailed out like Time/Warner
    Awaitin call, from his kin not the coroner
    Phone in my hand, nervous confined to a corner
    Beads of sweat second thoughts on my mind
    How can I ease the stress and learn to live with these regrets
    This time... stress... givin this shit up... fuck


    This is one of my favorite Jay verses. Rhyme schemes on top of rhyme schemes. Layered with so much detail yet, still retaining the emotion. Find me a Big verse where there's 2-3 rhyme schemes throughout the entire 16. Find me a Big verse where he's doing all of that & still staying on topic, crafting a detailed concept, finding 100 different ways to explain the same shit. Yall niggas is full of it & I've heard all of Biggie's music.
    ThaCerealKilla
  • son of 1973son of 1973 Posts: 769
    Maalik wrote: »
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    Big was not more lyrical than Jay. cut the shit. its just yall 90s niggas holding on to nostalgia.


    I sold it all from crack to o-pium, in third person
    I don't wanna see em, so I'm rehearsin
    with my peoples how to G' em, from a remote lo-cation
    in the BM, scopin the whole situation like, "Dayamm!"
    Metamorphic, as the dope turns to cre-am
    but one of these buyers got eyes like a Korean
    It's difficult to read em, the windows to his soul
    are half closed, I put the key in
    Pulled off slow, hopin my people flee-in
    Chink tried to knock the only link that tied me in
    Coppers was watchin us through nighttime binoculars
    This time they got us on tape, exchangin dope for dollars
    Make me wanna, holler back at the crib in the sauna
    Prayin my people bailed out like Time/Warner
    Awaitin call, from his kin not the coroner
    Phone in my hand, nervous confined to a corner
    Beads of sweat second thoughts on my mind
    How can I ease the stress and learn to live with these regrets
    This time... stress... givin this shit up... fuck


    This is one of my favorite Jay verses. Rhyme schemes on top of rhyme schemes. Layered with so much detail yet, still retaining the emotion. Find me a Big verse where there's 2-3 rhyme schemes throughout the entire 16. Find me a Big verse where he's doing all of that & still staying on topic, crafting a detailed concept, finding 100 different ways to explain the same shit. Yall niggas is full of it & I've heard all of Biggie's music.

    It ain't being stuck in the 90's tho fam. I think Nas better than both of them personally (by a little bit), but i be thinking Jay has people starstruck sometimes. How he gonna be better than BIG when BIG showed Jay how to rhyme successfully through his blueprint. BIG had wordplay and ill rhyme schemes too (though they were simpler they were just as effective). Plus the voice and more charisma. Jay had to work harder because he wasn't quite the rapper BIG was IMO, he was overlooked before he took the BIG rap approach on Reasonable Doubt. Him and BIG had the same subject matter, but BIG said as much hot shit as him or more with less effort. To me if you can do that you better and BIG did that.

  • NothingButTheTruthNothingButTheTruth Posts: 9,356 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • CoolJoeCoolJoe Posts: 5,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't understand how people say Jay took BIG's style and ran with it haha.
    Ready To Die and Reasonable Doubt are completely different records.
    I mean you can just look at the most introspective songs on their debut albums "Regrets" and "Suicidal Thoughts" and realize these niggas were on two different levels of thinking.

    Also, you can say BIG is better than Jay, but it's annoying how niggas can't concede the fact that Jay was a better lyricist than BIG. That shit is clear.
  • MaalikMaalik Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    Maalik wrote: »
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    Big was not more lyrical than Jay. cut the shit. its just yall 90s niggas holding on to nostalgia.


    I sold it all from crack to o-pium, in third person
    I don't wanna see em, so I'm rehearsin
    with my peoples how to G' em, from a remote lo-cation
    in the BM, scopin the whole situation like, "Dayamm!"
    Metamorphic, as the dope turns to cre-am
    but one of these buyers got eyes like a Korean
    It's difficult to read em, the windows to his soul
    are half closed, I put the key in
    Pulled off slow, hopin my people flee-in
    Chink tried to knock the only link that tied me in
    Coppers was watchin us through nighttime binoculars
    This time they got us on tape, exchangin dope for dollars
    Make me wanna, holler back at the crib in the sauna
    Prayin my people bailed out like Time/Warner
    Awaitin call, from his kin not the coroner
    Phone in my hand, nervous confined to a corner
    Beads of sweat second thoughts on my mind
    How can I ease the stress and learn to live with these regrets
    This time... stress... givin this shit up... fuck


    This is one of my favorite Jay verses. Rhyme schemes on top of rhyme schemes. Layered with so much detail yet, still retaining the emotion. Find me a Big verse where there's 2-3 rhyme schemes throughout the entire 16. Find me a Big verse where he's doing all of that & still staying on topic, crafting a detailed concept, finding 100 different ways to explain the same shit. Yall niggas is full of it & I've heard all of Biggie's music.

    It ain't being stuck in the 90's tho fam. I think Nas better than both of them personally (by a little bit), but i be thinking Jay has people starstruck sometimes. How he gonna be better than BIG when BIG showed Jay how to rhyme successfully through his blueprint. BIG had wordplay and ill rhyme schemes too (though they were simpler they were just as effective). Plus the voice and more charisma. Jay had to work harder because he wasn't quite the rapper BIG was IMO, he was overlooked before he took the BIG rap approach on Reasonable Doubt. Him and BIG had the same subject matter, but BIG said as much hot shit as him or more with less effort. To me if you can do that you better and BIG did that.

    you basically just admitted Jay was more lyrical. for whatever reason, yall can't just say it outright.
  • MaalikMaalik Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    CoolJoe wrote: »
    I don't understand how people say Jay took BIG's style and ran with it haha.
    Ready To Die and Reasonable Doubt are completely different records.
    I mean you can just look at the most introspective songs on their debut albums "Regrets" and "Suicidal Thoughts" and realize these niggas were on two different levels of thinking.

    Also, you can say BIG is better than Jay, but it's annoying how niggas can't concede the fact that Jay was a better lyricist than BIG. That shit is clear.

    I always felt Nas was at one end of the spectrum & Big at the other. One being extremely lyrical. Other being flow, charisma, wordplay. Jay is somewhere at the middle of those two. I guess haters might say Jay was a jack of trades & a master of none LOL.

    I also don't see the comparisons between Ready to Die & Reasonable Doubt either.
  • En-Fuego22En-Fuego22 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭✭
  • This Thread is a Big FALSE:

    Big in his Prime >>>>>>>> Jay still hasn't made a better overall LP than Big, Ready To Die >> Any Jay album, Life After Death >>>> Any Jay Album. Jay is not better lyrically than Big. Jay does not have a better flow, Jay cannot tell a better story than Big. What does Jay do better than Big did? LOL @ dudes still trying to say Big wasn't lyrical. Yet Jay Z and countless other emcee's can't keep his lyrics out they mouth. Big is the father, Jay is the Son. "I'm the focal point sort of like Biggie in his Prime", Even Jay knew Big in his Prime was GOAT Status.


    NaS in his Prime>>>>>>>> ILLmatic NaS is better than anything Jay could do at that point.


    Pac in his Prime >>>>>>> Me against the world, All Eyes on Me and Makaveli was Pac's Prime. Yes Jay had a better flow and was better lyrically but he wasn't a better artist.


    Ready To Die, Life After Death, Me against the World, All Eyes On Me, Makaveli, ILLmatic >>>>>>> Any Jay Album

    Homie broke it down plain & simple.
    /thread
    rapmastermind
  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LOL @ Biggie not being able to craft a detailed concept when his storytelling abilities knock Jay out of the water. Fact is Jay has bitten way to many Biggie rhymes to be better than him lyrically. Jay doesn't have the emotion Big had on "Suicidal Thoughts" or "Everyday Struggle". "Who Shot Ya, Long Kiss" are as lyrical as anything Jay has ever done. They callabo 3 times and Jay could not knock Biggie out in none of them. "D'evils" is a Classic but it does not prove Jay is better than Biggie Lyrically. "Warning and Niggas Bleed" are so detailed in concept in storytelling, it's far to advanced for Jay to do Lyrically. Jay's best story "Meet The Parents" came on his 7th LP, Big was spitting Classic stories on his 1st LP. So stop the nonsense. It has nothing to do with 90's nostalgia cause they are both from the same era. Biggie was a lyrical monster which is why he's one of the most influential lyricist ever.
    nujerz84DMTxTHCDisciplined InSight
  • Disciplined InSightDisciplined InSight The Clairvoyant One.... Posts: 12,894 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    This thread can't be serious. But I'm gonna make this short...
    Big (circa '94-'96)? and Nas (circa '94-'98)>>>>Jay (circa '96-'99)
    Jay was a beast in his prime no doubt, especially Reasonable Doubt/Volume 1 era..but something happened after Volume 2..

    Jay was basically using Big's simplicity but effectiveness and Jaz-O's flow, visuals and complexity so in a sense...well it's kinda like a roll of the dice..it all depends on the listener's preference.
    nujerz84
  • a-grave247a-grave247 Posts: 313
    I just don't understand how people can say Ghost is up there with Jay lyrically or as an artist.I'm a ghost fan but because he has a dope flow and can tell some amazing stories he is not that good as lyricist.Supreme clientele is dope but lyrically its a mess and that is considered his best album.Hell GZA is better in his prime than ghostface
  • deathrowzorrowdeathrowzorrow Posts: 11,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jay-Z had a gun on his chest when he was in his prime.

    Jay Lost
    infamous114
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know about all that outside of Reasonable Doubt,BP,TBA, and American Gangster his material is meh very skippable. Nas is a better rapper than Jay-Z is. Nas just has shitty beat selection. And Big got Jay-zs young Gz so he not better than Big either.


    biggie blew by jigga on this shit ..... sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh !

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