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Jay-Z in his Prime>>>>> Anyone

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  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 10,117
    rapmastermind wrote: »
    This Thread is a Big FALSE:

    Big in his Prime >>>>>>>> Jay still hasn't made a better overall LP than Big, Ready To Die >> Any Jay album, Life After Death >>>> Any Jay Album. Jay is not better lyrically than Big. Jay does not have a better flow, Jay cannot tell a better story than Big. What does Jay do better than Big did? LOL @ dudes still trying to say Big wasn't lyrical. Yet Jay Z and countless other emcee's can't keep his lyrics out they mouth. Big is the father, Jay is the Son. "I'm the focal point sort of like Biggie in his Prime", Even Jay knew Big in his Prime was GOAT Status.


    NaS in his Prime>>>>>>>> ILLmatic NaS is better than anything Jay could do at that point.


    Pac in his Prime >>>>>>> Me against the world, All Eyes on Me and Makaveli was Pac's Prime. Yes Jay had a better flow and was better lyrically but he wasn't a better artist.


    Ready To Die, Life After Death, Me against the World, All Eyes On Me, Makaveli, ILLmatic >>>>>>> Any Jay Album

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  • KeepinItHundredKeepinItHundred Posts: 1,137
    jay-z is better lyrically than biggie. yes he did take biggie's whole style along with others, but lyrically he is better. can i live kills any big song lyrically.

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  • John_BlaziniJohn_Blazini Posts: 11,841
    edited April 2012
    Pun shit's on your favorite rapper
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  • KeepinItHundredKeepinItHundred Posts: 1,137
    rapmastermind wrote: »
    And my post is not to say Jay wasn't deadly in his Prime, RD, Vol 1 and Vol 2 were amazing LP's. Jay is the GOAT of Longevity, LL may have more years but he wasn't able to keep his sales up like Jay has. I could see Jay still going platinum when he's 45 or 50 years old, that's how Iconic he is. But if we are strictly talking Prime Years, I'd put Big, Pac and yes ILLmatic NaS over Jay.

    jay was better on rd than nas was on illmatic. nas' best era lyrically was it was written(including songs like the street dreams remix and deja vu, and 1995-1996 features). pac can't see jay at all. biggie made better albums but jay was nicer.
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  • EmM HoLLa.EmM HoLLa. Posts: 4,845
    edited April 2012
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..

    "Yo where ever I go my crew is true to swarm.. Got stripes in New York like Yankee Uniforms!.."

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  • KeepinItHundredKeepinItHundred Posts: 1,137
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..

    whats so great about biggie lyrically? overall rapper? he was great. but lyrically many are better.
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  • EmM HoLLa.EmM HoLLa. Posts: 4,845

    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..


    whats so great about biggie lyrically? overall rapper? he was great. but lyrically many are better.

    If I have to explain to you whats so great about him as a Lyricist.. Chances are you just wont get it.. So lets just agree to disagree.. I suggest you give LAD a unbiased listen.. That explains everything clearly.. When you factor that it came out back in 1997... And was recorded for most of 96'

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  • KeepinItHundredKeepinItHundred Posts: 1,137
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..


    whats so great about biggie lyrically? overall rapper? he was great. but lyrically many are better.

    If I have to explain to you whats so great about him as a Lyricist.. Chances are you just wont get it.. So lets just agree to disagree.. I suggest you give LAD a unbiased listen.. That explains everything clearly.. When you factor that it came out back in 1997... And was recorded for most of 96'

    people just overrate his verses a lot. a biased opinion would be saying biggie is the best just because everybody else does. there's really nothing to "get". big could never even drop a verse like shiny suit theory.
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  • EmM HoLLa.EmM HoLLa. Posts: 4,845
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..


    whats so great about biggie lyrically? overall rapper? he was great. but lyrically many are better.

    If I have to explain to you whats so great about him as a Lyricist.. Chances are you just wont get it.. So lets just agree to disagree.. I suggest you give LAD a unbiased listen.. That explains everything clearly.. When you factor that it came out back in 1997... And was recorded for most of 96'

    people just overrate his verses a lot. a biased opinion would be saying biggie is the best just because everybody else does. there's really nothing to "get". big could never even drop a verse like shiny suit theory.

    Victory says Hi.. SMH...

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  • Cain1Cain1 Posts: 16,635
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..

    "Yo where ever I go my crew is true to swarm.. Got stripes in New York like Yankee Uniforms!.."


    This is the best freestyle from a group of emcee's ever. Lol at any lame saying Jay or anybody better than Biggie when it comes to lyrics.
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  • KeepinItHundredKeepinItHundred Posts: 1,137
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..


    whats so great about biggie lyrically? overall rapper? he was great. but lyrically many are better.

    If I have to explain to you whats so great about him as a Lyricist.. Chances are you just wont get it.. So lets just agree to disagree.. I suggest you give LAD a unbiased listen.. That explains everything clearly.. When you factor that it came out back in 1997... And was recorded for most of 96'

    people just overrate his verses a lot. a biased opinion would be saying biggie is the best just because everybody else does. there's really nothing to "get". big could never even drop a verse like shiny suit theory.

    Victory says Hi.. SMH...

    one of his more overrated performances, except the jackson tyson line. he was nice, but not that nice.
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  • EmM HoLLa.EmM HoLLa. Posts: 4,845
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..


    whats so great about biggie lyrically? overall rapper? he was great. but lyrically many are better.

    If I have to explain to you whats so great about him as a Lyricist.. Chances are you just wont get it.. So lets just agree to disagree.. I suggest you give LAD a unbiased listen.. That explains everything clearly.. When you factor that it came out back in 1997... And was recorded for most of 96'

    people just overrate his verses a lot. a biased opinion would be saying biggie is the best just because everybody else does. there's really nothing to "get". big could never even drop a verse like shiny suit theory.

    Victory says Hi.. SMH...

    one of his more overrated performances, except the jackson tyson line. he was nice, but not that nice.

    Only way a person can say this is overrated is cuz he is using 2012 ears.. To listen to some shit that came out in 97.. In 97 this shit was some groundbreaking shit.. Thats what you guys are not understanding...

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  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 10,117
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..


    whats so great about biggie lyrically? overall rapper? he was great. but lyrically many are better.

    If I have to explain to you whats so great about him as a Lyricist.. Chances are you just wont get it.. So lets just agree to disagree.. I suggest you give LAD a unbiased listen.. That explains everything clearly.. When you factor that it came out back in 1997... And was recorded for most of 96'

    people just overrate his verses a lot. a biased opinion would be saying biggie is the best just because everybody else does. there's really nothing to "get". big could never even drop a verse like shiny suit theory.

    Victory says Hi.. SMH...

    one of his more overrated performances, except the jackson tyson line. he was nice, but not that nice.

    yet Jay bit that line.. as did other mcs... that hella overrated huh?
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  • KeepinItHundredKeepinItHundred Posts: 1,137
    aneed123 wrote: »
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    KeepinItHundred wrote: »
    EmM HoLLa. wrote: »
    SMH.. It baffles my mind that people can sit here and say Jay-Z was better that Biggie... Thats no knock on Hov.. Cuz Hov is that dude.. But yo.. Biggie?.. Biggie?.. C'mon son.. LmaO!..


    whats so great about biggie lyrically? overall rapper? he was great. but lyrically many are better.

    If I have to explain to you whats so great about him as a Lyricist.. Chances are you just wont get it.. So lets just agree to disagree.. I suggest you give LAD a unbiased listen.. That explains everything clearly.. When you factor that it came out back in 1997... And was recorded for most of 96'

    people just overrate his verses a lot. a biased opinion would be saying biggie is the best just because everybody else does. there's really nothing to "get". big could never even drop a verse like shiny suit theory.

    Victory says Hi.. SMH...

    one of his more overrated performances, except the jackson tyson line. he was nice, but not that nice.

    yet Jay bit that line.. as did other mcs... that hella overrated huh?

    i said except that line first of all. and yes, overall it wasn't that great. long kiss, kick in the door >>>>>>>>>>>>> victory
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  • the_focused_onethe_focused_one Posts: 408
    ptowndonte wrote: »
    People still in denial about Jay being better than Biggie

    Jay was/is better than Biggie... Had Biggie lived longer, people would've been like:

    "Aye... Why is Jay murkin' this Commission album bro? I thought Biggie was about to school him..."

    However, I would contend that Nas in '96 was better than Jay in '96...

    It doesn't matter though, they're the top two GOATs in my opinion, so it's a win win whenever they drop some hot shit- I love bumpin' either any day of the week.

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  • rip.dillarip.dilla Posts: 11,334
    edited April 2012
    tompetrez3 wrote: »
    Jay Z wouldnt even co sign this shit.

    DEAD
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  • dalyricalbanditdalyricalbandit Posts: 39,901
    Jigga the Greatest
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  • CoolJoeCoolJoe Posts: 5,132
    Post some BIG lyrics that are as lyrically deep as D'Evils.
    Please.

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  • BDBBDB Posts: 6,977
    Hova the GOAT.
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  • longmeatlongmeat Posts: 2,255
    Ima have to give that title to the true king or ny the notorious one.
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  • white715white715 Posts: 5,323
    I've never heard people say Jay was GOAT til nigga was on Black album pleading his case
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  • 86 jordan86 jordan Posts: 95
    Nas
    BIG
    Jay
    lyrically Big L was better, he out shined Jay easily in the freestyle
    But regardless of opinions Jay is in the convo for his era
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  • MaalikMaalik Posts: 3,380
    edited April 2012
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    Big was not more lyrical than Jay. cut the shit. its just yall 90s niggas holding on to nostalgia.


    I sold it all from crack to o-pium, in third person
    I don't wanna see em, so I'm rehearsin
    with my peoples how to G' em, from a remote lo-cation
    in the BM, scopin the whole situation like, "Dayamm!"
    Metamorphic, as the dope turns to cre-am
    but one of these buyers got eyes like a Korean
    It's difficult to read em, the windows to his soul
    are half closed, I put the key in
    Pulled off slow, hopin my people flee-in
    Chink tried to knock the only link that tied me in
    Coppers was watchin us through nighttime binoculars
    This time they got us on tape, exchangin dope for dollars
    Make me wanna, holler back at the crib in the sauna
    Prayin my people bailed out like Time/Warner
    Awaitin call, from his kin not the coroner
    Phone in my hand, nervous confined to a corner
    Beads of sweat second thoughts on my mind
    How can I ease the stress and learn to live with these regrets
    This time... stress... givin this shit up... fuck


    This is one of my favorite Jay verses. Rhyme schemes on top of rhyme schemes. Layered with so much detail yet, still retaining the emotion. Find me a Big verse where there's 2-3 rhyme schemes throughout the entire 16. Find me a Big verse where he's doing all of that & still staying on topic, crafting a detailed concept, finding 100 different ways to explain the same shit. Yall niggas is full of it & I've heard all of Biggie's music.
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  • son of 1973son of 1973 Posts: 769
    Maalik wrote: »
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    Big was not more lyrical than Jay. cut the shit. its just yall 90s niggas holding on to nostalgia.


    I sold it all from crack to o-pium, in third person
    I don't wanna see em, so I'm rehearsin
    with my peoples how to G' em, from a remote lo-cation
    in the BM, scopin the whole situation like, "Dayamm!"
    Metamorphic, as the dope turns to cre-am
    but one of these buyers got eyes like a Korean
    It's difficult to read em, the windows to his soul
    are half closed, I put the key in
    Pulled off slow, hopin my people flee-in
    Chink tried to knock the only link that tied me in
    Coppers was watchin us through nighttime binoculars
    This time they got us on tape, exchangin dope for dollars
    Make me wanna, holler back at the crib in the sauna
    Prayin my people bailed out like Time/Warner
    Awaitin call, from his kin not the coroner
    Phone in my hand, nervous confined to a corner
    Beads of sweat second thoughts on my mind
    How can I ease the stress and learn to live with these regrets
    This time... stress... givin this shit up... fuck


    This is one of my favorite Jay verses. Rhyme schemes on top of rhyme schemes. Layered with so much detail yet, still retaining the emotion. Find me a Big verse where there's 2-3 rhyme schemes throughout the entire 16. Find me a Big verse where he's doing all of that & still staying on topic, crafting a detailed concept, finding 100 different ways to explain the same shit. Yall niggas is full of it & I've heard all of Biggie's music.

    It ain't being stuck in the 90's tho fam. I think Nas better than both of them personally (by a little bit), but i be thinking Jay has people starstruck sometimes. How he gonna be better than BIG when BIG showed Jay how to rhyme successfully through his blueprint. BIG had wordplay and ill rhyme schemes too (though they were simpler they were just as effective). Plus the voice and more charisma. Jay had to work harder because he wasn't quite the rapper BIG was IMO, he was overlooked before he took the BIG rap approach on Reasonable Doubt. Him and BIG had the same subject matter, but BIG said as much hot shit as him or more with less effort. To me if you can do that you better and BIG did that.

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