WE NEED SAMPLING BACK IN HIP HOP!!!!

Cabana_Da_Don · April 2012

That nigga apollo brown is sick.gotdamn!

Cabana_Da_Don · April 2012

Disciplined InSight wrote: »

Examples of what the T/S is talking about when he meant "Atari beats"..lmao.

Yes....I think stay scheming is the only beat I can actually fuck wit it.

Ounceman · April 2012

afromo wrote: »

No. how about making music people would want to sample. All the great music of the 70s and 80s where the samples are coming from used creativity and uniqueness. Now everyone wants to copy the formula thats hot for the time being

Powerful post. i would much rather hear an instrumental from scratch where the producer includes his or her own ideas and harmonic progressions over a sample. i mean i have nothing against sampling at all as it pretty much is the foundation for hip hop and some of my fav hip hop producers (dilla, madlib) are the best at utilizing it. but being a musician myself, it is sometimes difficult to defend the musical aspect of hip hop while im conversing with my musician buddies when the purists themselves would like to revert back to borrowing ideas instead of invigoratingly creating new ones. and thats what we need in hip hop is originality. musicianship should also be taught within the artform. even alot of sample-oriented producers cannot comprehend one sheet of music. we need to progress and not regress. we need more shepherds and less sheep. instead of taking it back and digging in the crates, how about moving forward and blazing new paths and shattering tradition

BlackGerald · April 2012

Hip Hop is not the only genre to use sampling

CeLLaR-DooR · April 2012

Black Jerry Maguire wrote: »

Hip Hop is not the only genre to use sampling

Of course not...Jazz niggas sample each other all the time...

Original (and fuckin' beautiful composition by the great Alex North)

rip.dilla · April 2012

Sampling has NEVER left...just stop listening to the radio.

smokelahoma · April 2012

business done fucked up the sampling aspect of music. everybody wanna get compensated for every little stitch of a sample u may use in a beat. In my opinion, alot of these artists already successful and eating why not let an up and comer live a little if u like the song? too many greedy fucks out here. thats why sampling is R.I.P. for the most part.

king hassan · April 2012

Ounceman wrote: »

afromo wrote: »

No. how about making music people would want to sample. All the great music of the 70s and 80s where the samples are coming from used creativity and uniqueness. Now everyone wants to copy the formula thats hot for the time being

Powerful post. i would much rather hear an instrumental from scratch where the producer includes his or her own ideas and harmonic progressions over a sample. i mean i have nothing against sampling at all as it pretty much is the foundation for hip hop and some of my fav hip hop producers (dilla, madlib) are the best at utilizing it. but being a musician myself, it is sometimes difficult to defend the musical aspect of hip hop while im conversing with my musician buddies when the purists themselves would like to revert back to borrowing ideas instead of invigoratingly creating new ones. and thats what we need in hip hop is originality. musicianship should also be taught within the artform. even alot of sample-oriented producers cannot comprehend one sheet of music. we need to progress and not regress. we need more shepherds and less sheep. instead of taking it back and digging in the crates, how about moving forward and blazing new paths and shattering tradition

Being a musician myself I feel where you are coming from. But tell me how many producers are actualy writing the music to a song. It's mostly keyboard riffs that are simplistic, not as if they are writing the parts for the guitar, the bass, the drums and horns. That's building a song from the ground up, sitting at a keyboard hitting buttons is not being creative to me

SlickestR · April 2012

afromo wrote: »

Powerful post. i would much rather hear an instrumental from scratch where the producer includes his or her own ideas and harmonic progressions over a sample. i mean i have nothing against sampling at all as it pretty much is the foundation for hip hop and some of my fav hip hop producers (dilla, madlib) are the best at utilizing it. but being a musician myself, it is sometimes difficult to defend the musical aspect of hip hop while im conversing with my musician buddies when the purists themselves would like to revert back to borrowing ideas instead of invigoratingly creating new ones. and thats what we need in hip hop is originality. musicianship should also be taught within the artform. even alot of sample-oriented producers cannot comprehend one sheet of music. we need to progress and not regress. we need more shepherds and less sheep. instead of taking it back and digging in the crates, how about moving forward and blazing new paths and shattering tradition

thank you, at least there's some people out there that's not on the SAMPLING bandwagon... i have nothing against sampling either since it is one of many things that crafted the genre and made it into what it is today, but.. along with another person's great creation comes legal work, a lot of money involved and clearance because your using people's shit...

why not instead come up with your own shit from scratch? What the fuck is wrong with that? i mean a lot of motherfuckers that are used in SAMPLING didn't sample another person's shit... it was all live instrumentation along with a amazing singer and it was soulful, sweet and uplifting... all Jazz, blues, R&B and soul... and all of those sounds were made from scratch..

king hassan wrote: »

Being a musician myself I feel where you are coming from. But tell me how many producers are actualy writing the music to a song. It's mostly keyboard riffs that are simplistic, not as if they are writing the parts for the guitar, the bass, the drums and horns. That's building a song from the ground up, sitting at a keyboard hitting buttons is not being creative to me

Hip-Hop production as a whole is very simplistic (example: Sampling) , if you put too much in a hip-hop beat then it sounds bad... so it doesn't hold the same musical stature that other genres of music has, regrading how much instrumentation that you can pack into the production.

What Producers need to know i think from a musical aspect is more chord progressions, and learn to read notes... because really, hip-hop is more Percussion instruments than anything else...

nyst8ofmin · April 2012

there are a couple very simple solutions....

1. turn of the radio & mtv (viacom)

2. stop listening to YMCMB

sampling never went anywhere. the demographics have changed but the ppl who sample still sample. do you listen to kev brown? ayatollah? primo? pete rock? odessey? m-phazes? just blaze? ski beatz? kanye?
no, your listening to drumma boy or bangledesh or whoever with their quantized 1/32 808 drums samples.

Gen. Stasia · April 2012

Making your own Samples>>>> Saves money but still gives that same FEEL... I think its that Feel then the actual samples because TBH what else is there to sample? I cant even Listen to an Oldies station without relating it to a Hip Hop song.

SlickestR · April 2012

Gen. Stasia wrote: »

Making your own Samples>>>> Saves money but still gives that same FEEL... I think its that Feel then the actual samples because TBH what else is there to sample? I cant even Listen to an Oldies station without relating it to a Hip Hop song.

yeah it's that feel that artist go for, a most of the old school cats grew up listening the Marvin Gayes, Pattie Le Belle's Chaka Chan's, Anita Bakesr and all the other old school jazzy R&B, even pop-sounding artist back then...

so their influence is tied with in their production, But we need more original shit, for the producers of tomorrow and the next 20 years to sample off of.

lamontbdc · April 2012

i didn't realize it left hip hop

Gen. Stasia · April 2012

SlickestR wrote: »

Gen. Stasia wrote: »

Making your own Samples>>>> Saves money but still gives that same FEEL... I think its that Feel then the actual samples because TBH what else is there to sample? I cant even Listen to an Oldies station without relating it to a Hip Hop song.

yeah it's that feel that artist go for, a most of the old school cats grew up listening the Marvin Gayes, Pattie Le Belle's Chaka Chan's, Anita Bakesr and all the other old school jazzy R&B, even pop-sounding artist back then...

so their influence is tied with in their production, But we need more original shit, for the producers of tomorrow and the next 20 years to sample off of.

Totally agree but what is these R&B cats doing? Now R&B beats sound like Hip Hop Beats. We definetly need to make more Original music tho but there's a way to get a sample feel without the cost. Need more MUSICIANS in Music period.

king hassan · April 2012

SlickestR wrote: »

afromo wrote: »

Powerful post. i would much rather hear an instrumental from scratch where the producer includes his or her own ideas and harmonic progressions over a sample. i mean i have nothing against sampling at all as it pretty much is the foundation for hip hop and some of my fav hip hop producers (dilla, madlib) are the best at utilizing it. but being a musician myself, it is sometimes difficult to defend the musical aspect of hip hop while im conversing with my musician buddies when the purists themselves would like to revert back to borrowing ideas instead of invigoratingly creating new ones. and thats what we need in hip hop is originality. musicianship should also be taught within the artform. even alot of sample-oriented producers cannot comprehend one sheet of music. we need to progress and not regress. we need more shepherds and less sheep. instead of taking it back and digging in the crates, how about moving forward and blazing new paths and shattering tradition

thank you, at least there's some people out there that's not on the SAMPLING bandwagon... i have nothing against sampling either since it is one of many things that crafted the genre and made it into what it is today, but.. along with another person's great creation comes legal work, a lot of money involved and clearance because your using people's shit...

why not instead come up with your own shit from scratch? What the fuck is wrong with that? i mean a lot of motherfuckers that are used in SAMPLING didn't sample another person's shit... it was all live instrumentation along with a amazing singer and it was soulful, sweet and uplifting... all Jazz, blues, R&B and soul... and all of those sounds were made from scratch..

king hassan wrote: »

Being a musician myself I feel where you are coming from. But tell me how many producers are actualy writing the music to a song. It's mostly keyboard riffs that are simplistic, not as if they are writing the parts for the guitar, the bass, the drums and horns. That's building a song from the ground up, sitting at a keyboard hitting buttons is not being creative to me

Hip-Hop production as a whole is very simplistic (example: Sampling) , if you put too much in a hip-hop beat then it sounds bad... so it doesn't hold the same musical stature that other genres of music has, regrading how much instrumentation that you can pack into the production.

What Producers need to know i think from a musical aspect is more chord progressions, and learn to read notes... because really, hip-hop is more Percussion instruments than anything else...

So basically you saying it's just drum and bass? Those still require notes, sad to say, they don't even teach music in schools anymore smh. Sampling may seem simplistic but I've heard songs where they sample 3 or four records and put them together to make a song, a drum from here, a hi hat from there, piano loop over there. You still have to have a ear for music

SlickestR · April 2012

Gen. Stasia wrote: »

Totally agree but what is these R&B cats doing? Now R&B beats sound like Hip Hop Beats. We definetly need to make more Original music tho but there's a way to get a sample feel without the cost. Need more MUSICIANS in Music period.

i totally agree, because a lot of R&B cats, like Usher, R. Kelly in recent years and others beats are more hip-hop than anything (that should tell us how hip-hop has a great influence over shit)

Yeah we need more musicians that can make great music... than having to sample every chance they get.

king hassan wrote: »

So basically you saying it's just drum and bass? Those still require notes, sad to say, they don't even teach music in schools anymore smh. Sampling may seem simplistic but I've heard songs where they sample 3 or four records and put them together to make a song, a drum from here, a hi hat from there, piano loop over there. You still have to have a ear for music

Of course drums and bass require notes... but what i'm saying is that there's not much that goes into a hip-hop beat
and if you're amazing at chord progressions, drums, bass and x y and z then your level of mastery is great enough to surpass those who uses samples all day.

But at the end of the day, like you said "you have to have a ear for music" and even more so, Music is very subjective

because something that sounds good to one person won't sound good to another... hence people liking certain genres, songs, artists and such...

TheEyeronic1 · April 2012

www.whosampled.com

thank me later.

Lou Cypher · April 2012

Cabana_Da_Don wrote: »

That nigga apollo brown is sick.gotdamn!

Ayo cabana, check out these beat makers, Jaisu, Boon Doc, and J. Depina. all 3 are on youtube and make some of the sickest MPC beats ever, Jaisu is starting to get underground rappers to do verses on his shit too. Well known underground rappers.

king hassan · April 2012

SlickestR wrote: »

Gen. Stasia wrote: »

Totally agree but what is these R&B cats doing? Now R&B beats sound like Hip Hop Beats. We definetly need to make more Original music tho but there's a way to get a sample feel without the cost. Need more MUSICIANS in Music period.

i totally agree, because a lot of R&B cats, like Usher, R. Kelly in recent years and others beats are more hip-hop than anything (that should tell us how hip-hop has a great influence over shit)

Yeah we need more musicians that can make great music... than having to sample every chance they get.

king hassan wrote: »

So basically you saying it's just drum and bass? Those still require notes, sad to say, they don't even teach music in schools anymore smh. Sampling may seem simplistic but I've heard songs where they sample 3 or four records and put them together to make a song, a drum from here, a hi hat from there, piano loop over there. You still have to have a ear for music

Of course drums and bass require notes... but what i'm saying is that there's not much that goes into a hip-hop beat
and if you're amazing at chord progressions, drums, bass and x y and z then your level of mastery is great enough to surpass those who uses samples all day.

But at the end of the day, like you said "you have to have a ear for music" and even more so, Music is very subjective

because something that sounds good to one person won't sound good to another... hence people liking certain genres, songs, artists and such...

Respect.....When people realize that man the world would be a better place

INSANE RELICK · April 2012

Ive been making beats for 10 years. I will say with out a doubt: I am NASTY. I am nasty because I studied and mastered my
craft. I can come at a beat 2 diff ways:

1. I can sample, but I not LOOPING the sample in such a way as the ORIGINAL artist intended.
I chop, transform and make it 100% different.

2. I can make a beat from the ground up. Baseline. Synths, strings. And it will be a banger.

And when I got my machine, I was making beats without samples because I ALREADY had a musical ear.
Sampling and chopping is just an extension of that.

On another note, I would rather people PLAY my beats, sampled and played out as opposed to someone else using
the SAME sample and my personal association with that sound being compromised because I wasnt original enough.

Those down south beats can SOMETIMES be cool, but more or less they SUCK.
No feeling, no emotion.

ANd most of you dudes that do BEATS only do so, cause you thought it was COOL to do beats.
Thats why you dont have no crates. You dont know about record shops or digging through your uncles old records
for a song or a sound that can make your song hot.

You aint gonna be nasty on the beats if you only use PC.
There can be exceptions to this rule. 9th Wonder, but thats cause he pushed the envelope on what
you could do on FL.

And even now, 9th is on an MPC.

In a lil bit im about to drop my debut Inst beat album called:

The Dream Society

No bullshit beats.

Nothing you have ever heard, has ever sounded like what im going to bring.

You can and will only liken it back to when music and hip hop were fun.

Because my music envokes emotion thought and dialog, and that is what was taken from our music.

And if you real about what you all say, then you will understand.

If you dont, then you have lost it cause you have been programmed by white owned black media outlets.

And when the change comes, and everything goes back to how it needs to be, which means everyone gets\
a chance to shine, and if your music aint tight reguardless of where you are from, you wont be gettin no play
or very little....

Wild Self · April 2012

king hassan wrote: »

the sample

East Coast thrived on sampling. When them sampling laws came down, it was a wrap and them bass beats took over.

kzzl · April 2012

TheEyeronic1 wrote: »

www.whosampled.com

thank me later.

I was going to mention this site as well. Sampling never left people, it's more prevalent than ever even. Your favorite songs are samples and you just don't know it probably. Your boy Rick Ross would probably be far from his current postion if not for the constant sampling his music uses. I'd say Big Krit's catalogue is 80% samples as well. Juicy J, Wiz, and many more. The lesson I've learned is that if it sounds TOO good, it's usually a looped sample.

But I've been saying for the longest, it's time for rappers to start being sampled. And stop using samples. The art has it's lane, but hip hop needs to able to stand on it's own. There's a reason we keep using older shit. A reason we keep liking how older shit is remixed chopped, pitched, and looped. It's cause them niggas back in the day could play the fuck outta an instrument. Stop buying the milk and breed your own cows.

More rappers need to start fucking with them live band shits. You favorite rapper, with your favorite guitarist, your favorite pianoist, and etc. That's 5 or 6 people in harmony making music together. 5 or 6 different ears. How can you not make a great song?

What rappers need to stop doing is this monkey see, monkey do bullshit. BMF drops and then suddenly everybody wants a BMF track. The milli beat drops and everybody does the milli beat shit. Same thing with Auto-tune. It's like the minute someone gets rich off of something different, everyone does the same thing to get rich like the first guy.

Shit's despicable.

SnowBunnySmanger · April 2012

southernmade wrote: »

shit cost money bro...nobody's selling that many albums so labels and artist arent really trying to pay to get samples cleared along with all the other shit they have to pay for...

Good samplers can disguise a sample well enough that nobody knows where it came from

SnowBunnySmanger · April 2012

oh and live band/instruments > Sampling

We need more real musicians working with these lyricists

Cabana_Da_Don · April 2012

I got a question for ya niggas that look down on sampling....Ya know that sampling was something revolutionary and it´s practice is so new meaning young.Why give it up so quickly if it touches so many people.I don´t see it as a cruch nor something negative.It´s something new.A new way to make music.A new way to rearrange musical notes.It´s something new.

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