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  • Cabana_Da_DonCabana_Da_Don Posts: 5,776
    Funny how the gold artists are better than the platinum artists.
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  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt Posts: 2,614
    Yall muthaphuckaz flood us wit bullshit thinking we gone buy and never put on real talent!
    What yall think is talent is just the biggest names in your hood or your favorite cuz your all caught in da hype but your people aint interesting nobody we done heard all yall shit we not gonna buy dat bullshit A&Rs find real talent stop sighning fake azz rappers!
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  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt Posts: 2,614
    give me a spot in Texas ill find you all the talent nationwide we gone do business right stop trying to f_ck real talent just cuz they aint moving major units independently thats why real n_ggaz aint wanna sighn! Southwest whole was a distrubutor shut down the radio station 97.9 The Box hates Houston talent unless yu sound like garbage but a lil club hit and your affiliated with the Djs on 97.9 Da Box in Houston them h0es be hattin on da realist cuz Mad Hater wanted to rap hes the head dj but not everything is for everyone K-Rino,K.B. Da Kidnappa S.P.C./Killa Klan/S.U.C. realest affiliated rappers from Houston and not just being biased I used to jam everyone from 3-6 Mafia,Eightball & MJG,Master P and many others but once I discovered Houston real talent we lyrical out here don't let them fool you!
    You gotta give artist more control they tired of yall washing them up trying to make them fake!
    Till this day 2 of da best in da game are highly slept on this is an injustice K.B. Da Kidnappa & K-Rino!
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  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt Posts: 2,614
    Shady is white de a muthaphucka but his shit only push about a mil or mil half out damn near 220 million or so we aint gone buy da shit!
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  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 9,973
    being able to download shit for free is the answer.. also whole albums arent dope anymore so why buy them? u can get the hot singles on mixtapes before dropping or u csn go to you tube and download mp3s and make mix cds of all the songs u want. Back in the day u couldnt do that. Your only access to music was the store, your home boy who bought it first, or the bootleg man.... Hell today the bootleg man is irrelevant why pay $5 when u can do it urself for free in 5 min. Growing up I had a fire ass cd collection but as I got older I stopped buying.....
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  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt Posts: 2,614
    real talent use to push double and triple Em should push triple cuz hes in style and hes white!
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  • thagamethagame Posts: 184
    Bootleging is way stronger, the record companies are more desperate and want to force feed commercial carbon copy rappers. This in turn leads to more wack albums. Some of the best albums I have purchased were not on your gold list. I also thought Jadakiss album went platinum
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  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt Posts: 2,614
    your artist are Played Out most of them why yall don't see dat we aint gone buy da shit!
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  • blackblocblackbloc Posts: 3,314
    thagame wrote: »
    Bootleging is way stronger, the record companies are more desperate and want to force feed commercial carbon copy rappers. This in turn leads to more wack albums. Some of the best albums I have purchased were not on your gold list. I also thought Jadakiss album went platinum

    jadakiss album sold 1 million after about 14 months , gold and plat plaques are for albums shipped and they label has to submit/ pay for the plaque for the certification. ts really means why albums dont sell at least 500k in the states anymore. simple answer is they dont have the fan bases. and bootlegging has gone down it not where near the level it was in the mid 00s as it is today
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  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt Posts: 2,614
    don't make that bullshit excuse cuz on the real ARTIST aint inspiring nobody to support them or else they would BUY da shit its only cuz they have to download 20 different artist and still can't compare to a K.B. & Lil Flea!
    S.P.C./Killa Klan/S.U.C. has more talent in one group then the whole mainstream!
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  • 32DaysOfInfiniti32DaysOfInfiniti Posts: 1,650
    H-Rap 180 wrote: »
    Top 40 Best selling albums of 2011


    Adele - 21
    XL Recordings - 15,3 million copies
    02.jpg (911 bytes) Lady GaGa - Born This Way
    Interscope - 5,4 million copies
    03.jpg (905 bytes) Michael Bublé - Christmas
    Reprise - 5,2 million copies
    04.jpg (876 bytes) Bruno Mars - Doo-Wops & Hooligans
    Elektra / Warner Bros. - 4,0 million copies
    05.jpg (904 bytes) Rihanna - Loud
    Def Jam - 3,4 million copies
    06.jpg (908 bytes) Coldplay - Mylo Xyloto
    Parlophone / Capitol - 3,3 million copies
    07.jpg (841 bytes) Adele - 19
    XL Recordings - 2,8 million copies
    08.jpg (917 bytes) Mumford & Sons - Sigh No More
    Island - 2,2 million copies
    09.jpg (905 bytes) Katy Perry - Teenage Dream
    Capitol - 2,1 million copies
    10.jpg (1033 bytes) Beyoncé - 4
    Columbia - 2,1 million copies
    11.jpg (925 bytes) Lil Wayne - Tha Carter IV
    Cash Money - 2,1 million copies
    12.jpg (1055 bytes) Foo Fighters - Wasting Light
    RCA - 2,0 million copies
    13.jpg (1066 bytes) Justin Bieber - Under The Mistletoe
    Def Jam / Island - 2,0 million copies
    14.jpg (1009 bytes) Justin Bieber - My Worlds (My World+My World 2.0)
    Island - 1,8 million copies
    15.jpg (1071 bytes) Pink - Greatest Hits So Far
    LaFace / Zomba - 1,8 million copies
    16.jpg (1074 bytes) Red Hot Chili Peppers - I'm With You
    Warner Bros. - 1,7 million copies
    17.jpg (970 bytes) Black Eyed Peas - The Beginning
    Interscope - 1,7 million copies
    18.jpg (1053 bytes) Rihanna - Talk That Talk
    Def Jam - 1,7 million copies
    19.jpg (1056 bytes) Jason Aldean - My Kinda Party
    Broken Bow - 1,7 million copies
    20.jpg (1111 bytes) Jay-Z & Kanye West - Watch The Throne
    Roc-A-Fella / Def Jam - 1,6 million copies
    21.jpg (1021 bytes) David Guetta - Nothing But The Beat
    EMI Music - 1,6 million copies
    22.jpg (1127 bytes) Amy Winehouse - Back To Black
    Island - 1,5 million copies
    23.jpg (1123 bytes) Lady GaGa - The Fame (Monster)
    Interscope - 1,5 million copies
    24.jpg (1099 bytes) Amy Winehouse - Lioness: Hidden Treasures
    Island - 1,5 million copies
    25.jpg (1133 bytes) Britney Spears - Femme Fatale
    Jive - 1,5 million copies
    26.jpg (1135 bytes) Lady Antebellum - Own The Night
    Capitol Nashville - 1,4 million copies
    27.jpg (1068 bytes) Drake - Take Care
    Cash Money - 1,4 million copies
    28.jpg (1137 bytes) Tony Bennett - Duets II
    Columbia - 1,4 million copies
    29.jpg (1128 bytes) LMFAO - Sorry For Party Rocking
    Interscope - 1,3 million copies
    30.jpg (1104 bytes) Jessie J - Who You Are
    Island / Lava - 1,3 million copies
    31.jpg (1062 bytes) Nicki Minaj - Pink Friday
    Cash Money / Universal Motown - 1,3 million copies
    32.jpg (1126 bytes) Avril Lavigne - Goodbye Lullaby
    RCA - 1,3 million copies
    33.jpg (1120 bytes) Chris Brown - F.A.M.E.
    Jive - 1,2 million copies
    34.jpg (1097 bytes) Taylor Swift - Speak Now
    Big Machine - 1,2 million copies
    35.jpg (1130 bytes) Eminem - Recovery
    Aftermath / Interscope - 1,2 million copies
    36.jpg (1129 bytes) Justin Bieber - Never Say Never (The Remixes)
    Island - 1,2 million copies
    37.jpg (1054 bytes) Nickelback - Here And Now
    Roadrunner - 1,1 million copies
    38.jpg (1141 bytes) Bad Meets Evil - Hell: The Sequel
    Shady / Interscope - 1,1 million copies
    39.jpg (1125 bytes) Florence & The Machine - Ceremonials
    Universal Republic / Island - 1,1 million copies
    40.jpg (1077 bytes) Susan Boyle - Someone To Watch Over Me
    Syco Music / Columbia - 1,1 million copies

    Black Jerry Maguire wrote: »
    32DaysOfInfiniti wrote: »
    H-Rap 180 wrote: »
    32DaysOfInfiniti wrote: »
    What, do you expect all rappers to go gold, i mean the list you provided is pretty extensive and proportionally i would venture to say rap artist are doing just as well as any other category o

    So you think 20 Gold artists in the last 5 years and a 5 Gold artists a year average is the same in Country music and Rock music?

    Proportionally yes, if you consider the fact that more than 70% of this country is white and the african american population is less than 15%... Im not going to do the research cause i dont have the time, but im willing to bet it equals out.

    ???
    white people don't buy hip hop? non whites don't buy country and rock?

    Interesting how that worked out, thank for the numbers.

    6/40 are hip hop artist which = 15%
    11/40 are black artist

    15% 3 percent higher than the 12% of blacks in america. I think we gotta correlation here!

    If more white people were capable of making rap hits, then i think this issue would be gone lol
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  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Posts: 5,130
    This was a good thread Hrap. Broke it down well, even though I think you slightly trying to cop pleas to why Ross hasn't gone Platinum but your overall research is 100% correct. Gold is the new Platinum for RnB and Hip Hop artist. Pop is even struggling. Only country is going strong cause white middle America will always buy country. It's sad that in 2011 only what 3 rappers went Platinum. Here we are in 2012 and it's looking like it's not looking good. Nicki just did 250k, she is not a lock for Platinum. Overall the music industry is dying, soon we won't even go to the store to buy music. This is why the Best Buy is losing money to Amazon and Circuit City got pretty much shut down. The whole game has changed and the Naspter buy truly changed the way we listen to music. I think it's over, just cause Adele is the only one selling doesn't even mean there's hope. Wayne lost about 2 Million fans from Carter III to Carter IV, I could see him dropping even more by the next album. Drake remained consistent between 1st and 2nd LP but he didn't increase by much. The whole game sales wise is messed up.
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  • BlackGeraldBlackGerald Posts: 12,150
    32DaysOfInfiniti wrote: »
    H-Rap 180 wrote: »
    Top 40 Best selling albums of 2011


    Adele - 21
    XL Recordings - 15,3 million copies
    02.jpg (911 bytes) Lady GaGa - Born This Way
    Interscope - 5,4 million copies
    03.jpg (905 bytes) Michael Bublé - Christmas
    Reprise - 5,2 million copies
    04.jpg (876 bytes) Bruno Mars - Doo-Wops & Hooligans
    Elektra / Warner Bros. - 4,0 million copies
    05.jpg (904 bytes) Rihanna - Loud
    Def Jam - 3,4 million copies
    06.jpg (908 bytes) Coldplay - Mylo Xyloto
    Parlophone / Capitol - 3,3 million copies
    07.jpg (841 bytes) Adele - 19
    XL Recordings - 2,8 million copies
    08.jpg (917 bytes) Mumford & Sons - Sigh No More
    Island - 2,2 million copies
    09.jpg (905 bytes) Katy Perry - Teenage Dream
    Capitol - 2,1 million copies
    10.jpg (1033 bytes) Beyoncé - 4
    Columbia - 2,1 million copies
    11.jpg (925 bytes) Lil Wayne - Tha Carter IV
    Cash Money - 2,1 million copies
    12.jpg (1055 bytes) Foo Fighters - Wasting Light
    RCA - 2,0 million copies
    13.jpg (1066 bytes) Justin Bieber - Under The Mistletoe
    Def Jam / Island - 2,0 million copies
    14.jpg (1009 bytes) Justin Bieber - My Worlds (My World+My World 2.0)
    Island - 1,8 million copies
    15.jpg (1071 bytes) Pink - Greatest Hits So Far
    LaFace / Zomba - 1,8 million copies
    16.jpg (1074 bytes) Red Hot Chili Peppers - I'm With You
    Warner Bros. - 1,7 million copies
    17.jpg (970 bytes) Black Eyed Peas - The Beginning
    Interscope - 1,7 million copies
    18.jpg (1053 bytes) Rihanna - Talk That Talk
    Def Jam - 1,7 million copies
    19.jpg (1056 bytes) Jason Aldean - My Kinda Party
    Broken Bow - 1,7 million copies
    20.jpg (1111 bytes) Jay-Z & Kanye West - Watch The Throne
    Roc-A-Fella / Def Jam - 1,6 million copies
    21.jpg (1021 bytes) David Guetta - Nothing But The Beat
    EMI Music - 1,6 million copies
    22.jpg (1127 bytes) Amy Winehouse - Back To Black
    Island - 1,5 million copies
    23.jpg (1123 bytes) Lady GaGa - The Fame (Monster)
    Interscope - 1,5 million copies
    24.jpg (1099 bytes) Amy Winehouse - Lioness: Hidden Treasures
    Island - 1,5 million copies
    25.jpg (1133 bytes) Britney Spears - Femme Fatale
    Jive - 1,5 million copies
    26.jpg (1135 bytes) Lady Antebellum - Own The Night
    Capitol Nashville - 1,4 million copies
    27.jpg (1068 bytes) Drake - Take Care
    Cash Money - 1,4 million copies
    28.jpg (1137 bytes) Tony Bennett - Duets II
    Columbia - 1,4 million copies
    29.jpg (1128 bytes) LMFAO - Sorry For Party Rocking
    Interscope - 1,3 million copies
    30.jpg (1104 bytes) Jessie J - Who You Are
    Island / Lava - 1,3 million copies
    31.jpg (1062 bytes) Nicki Minaj - Pink Friday
    Cash Money / Universal Motown - 1,3 million copies
    32.jpg (1126 bytes) Avril Lavigne - Goodbye Lullaby
    RCA - 1,3 million copies
    33.jpg (1120 bytes) Chris Brown - F.A.M.E.
    Jive - 1,2 million copies
    34.jpg (1097 bytes) Taylor Swift - Speak Now
    Big Machine - 1,2 million copies
    35.jpg (1130 bytes) Eminem - Recovery
    Aftermath / Interscope - 1,2 million copies
    36.jpg (1129 bytes) Justin Bieber - Never Say Never (The Remixes)
    Island - 1,2 million copies
    37.jpg (1054 bytes) Nickelback - Here And Now
    Roadrunner - 1,1 million copies
    38.jpg (1141 bytes) Bad Meets Evil - Hell: The Sequel
    Shady / Interscope - 1,1 million copies
    39.jpg (1125 bytes) Florence & The Machine - Ceremonials
    Universal Republic / Island - 1,1 million copies
    40.jpg (1077 bytes) Susan Boyle - Someone To Watch Over Me
    Syco Music / Columbia - 1,1 million copies

    Black Jerry Maguire wrote: »
    32DaysOfInfiniti wrote: »
    H-Rap 180 wrote: »
    32DaysOfInfiniti wrote: »
    What, do you expect all rappers to go gold, i mean the list you provided is pretty extensive and proportionally i would venture to say rap artist are doing just as well as any other category o

    So you think 20 Gold artists in the last 5 years and a 5 Gold artists a year average is the same in Country music and Rock music?

    Proportionally yes, if you consider the fact that more than 70% of this country is white and the african american population is less than 15%... Im not going to do the research cause i dont have the time, but im willing to bet it equals out.

    ???
    white people don't buy hip hop? non whites don't buy country and rock?

    Interesting how that worked out, thank for the numbers.

    6/40 are hip hop artist which = 15%
    11/40 are black artist

    15% 3 percent higher than the 12% of blacks in america. I think we gotta correlation here!

    If more white people were capable of making rap hits, then i think this issue would be gone lol

    that's is no correlation
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  • H-Rap 180H-Rap 180 Posts: 15,453
    rapmastermind wrote: »
    This was a good thread Hrap. Broke it down well, even though I think you slightly trying to cop pleas to why Ross hasn't gone Platinum but your overall research is 100% correct. Gold is the new Platinum for RnB and Hip Hop artist. Pop is even struggling. Only country is going strong cause white middle America will always buy country. It's sad that in 2011 only what 3 rappers went Platinum. Here we are in 2012 and it's looking like it's not looking good. Nicki just did 250k, she is not a lock for Platinum. Overall the music industry is dying, soon we won't even go to the store to buy music. This is why the Best Buy is losing money to Amazon and Circuit City got pretty much shut down. The whole game has changed and the Naspter buy truly changed the way we listen to music. I think it's over, just cause Adele is the only one selling doesn't even mean there's hope. Wayne lost about 2 Million fans from Carter III to Carter IV, I could see him dropping even more by the next album. Drake remained consistent between 1st and 2nd LP but he didn't increase by much. The whole game sales wise is messed up.

    Slightly cop plea's as to why Ross hasn't been platinum?
    That thread would be a lot more simple than this one because it would have 3 questions:

    1.) How many street-oriented rappers have gone platinum since Ross debut??
    2.) What was Ross biggest POP-crossover attempt??
    3.) In the YMCMB era of Mullatto-magic and Pop-cross-marketing wizardry can a fat, black Geechie expect a Millie??


    If Wiz couldn't get to plat with those monster singles he had then it would be foolish to expect Ross or Jeezy to do the same.



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  • Wild SelfWild Self Posts: 3,597
    rapmastermind wrote: »
    This was a good thread Hrap. Broke it down well, even though I think you slightly trying to cop pleas to why Ross hasn't gone Platinum but your overall research is 100% correct. Gold is the new Platinum for RnB and Hip Hop artist. Pop is even struggling. Only country is going strong cause white middle America will always buy country. It's sad that in 2011 only what 3 rappers went Platinum. Here we are in 2012 and it's looking like it's not looking good. Nicki just did 250k, she is not a lock for Platinum. Overall the music industry is dying, soon we won't even go to the store to buy music. This is why the Best Buy is losing money to Amazon and Circuit City got pretty much shut down. The whole game has changed and the Naspter buy truly changed the way we listen to music. I think it's over, just cause Adele is the only one selling doesn't even mean there's hope. Wayne lost about 2 Million fans from Carter III to Carter IV, I could see him dropping even more by the next album. Drake remained consistent between 1st and 2nd LP but he didn't increase by much. The whole game sales wise is messed up.

    And all this shit happened cause niggas won't buy a CD from their favorite artist.
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  • rapmastermindrapmastermind Posts: 5,130
    LOL, I was messing with you Hrap about the Ross Coppin Pleas thing. "Port of Miami" is passed 700k. He does have some Platinum singles. He did try to go pop with "Boss" with the T-pain feature. But since Ross Debut, 50 is the only street-oriented emcee to go Platinum with "Curtis", and Jay did it with "American Gangster" which was more a street LP for him. Outside of that I consed your point. Ross issue is that he hasn't crossed over. He done a few tracks but he won't go all the way over to the pop side. That, "I'm a Boss" with Nicki was him getting closer to the pop side. Overall I respect Ross sales, 4 Gold LP's is not easy to accomplish, i understand that Ross does keep it street so his sales will suffer for that. Nicki is also learning the hard way what happens when you Cross over. From 1.7 Million to struggling to go Platinum is where she's headed. Overall again I agree with your thread, sales are dying fast.
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  • ShizlanskyShizlansky Posts: 10,645
    Yall niggas looking to far into this shit.

    Download music for free is the reason.
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  • ZigefreshZigefresh Posts: 166
    Ajax McJones wrote: »
    1. the internet has slowly made it easier and easier to steal music, it wasnt as easy to bootleg in 06 as it was in 09 and so on. The further along we get, the more people are going to bootleg, no matter who you are, you will be affected by this

    2. no attatchment to artists no artist development, having a buzz right now doesnt mean anything, it means people know who you are and they may have heard one or two of your songs, it doesnt mean they will buy shit from you, there is no relatability its just over exposure and catering to the lowest common denominator. Hip Hop is the new synthpop.

    3.emphasis is taken away from the actual rapping, the people who are buying albums dont give a shit about lyrics or flow, its about ppularity, radio conistency catchy instrumentals and image.

    4. Hip Hop just isnt as interesting anymore, it isnt riding the whole 'taking the world by storm' and its not bringing out anything particulary new. Nothing is innovating, its just rehashing or holding on to tired gimmicks.

    5. this generations has no real attatchment to a subculture, no hip hop heads, no metal heads, no scene kids, no indie crowd. no real demographic anymore, everything is just so broad everyone pretty much dresses the same and takes the same interests in the youth of today. no room for capatilizing on a culture.

    Hip hop will end up being as it started out, a niche aspect of urban music that people will look for if they really want to hear it. Its lucky to been alive as long as it has been.

    Real post man. You definitely did your research and actually knew about what you were talking about unlike half the guys in here.
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  • AgentAce2050AgentAce2050 Posts: 3
    There are a lot factors for an artist not going at least gold, but I feel Hip Hop has turned into a corporation instead of staying a culture. The artists are employees now, being artistic is no longer required, innovation is no longer needed and individuality is non existent. Some of the very things that made hip hop pure is virtually gone. It's not just about music anymore, there's more entertainment like, iphones, tablets,3DTV's and movies better video games etc. Music, to a lot people, take a back seat to a lot people's lives. So yea, if you are not at least mainstream you have a harder time going gold.
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  • AP12AP12 Posts: 5,404
    w/o reading all of this stuff...could the reason possibly have ANYTHING to do with most of the stuff that comes out is wack??...i mean seriously wack...im not talking about the gems you might find from underground cats who aint getting no shine...im talking about just wack shit from people...wack bars, wack production, wack promotion, etc...just wack
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  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt Posts: 2,614
    people went underground!

    K-Rino
    S.P.C./S.U.C.
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  • Mrslim1Mrslim1 Posts: 2,409
    Album sales for Hip Hop are right where they are supposed to be . Hip Hop as a whole lacks musically point blank. Everyone shouldn't go Gold or Plat because their music is not good enough . The better ARTIST , not just rap niggas , deserve to sell records. When rappers stop making throw away music and start making music that connects to fans for years and not just weeks Hip Hop artist will sell more records . Of course it will never be like it was in the 90's and the early 2000's because of the infusion on music downloads. However if rappers make more timeless music SOME fans with feel more obligated to purchase their music and not download it
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  • Ear2DaStEar2DaSt Posts: 2,614
    No more cross over appeal at the same level!

    K.B. Da Kidnappa
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  • juan travoltajuan travolta Posts: 2,917
    no support from the fans. A lot of people have the mentality why pay if i could just go download it.
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