Wizards guard Maurice Evans: NBA players want Fisher gone.

Jdilla26Jdilla26 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 2012 in From the Cheap Seats
Wizards guard Maurice Evans confirmed Friday afternoon that the National Basketball Players Association executive committee is pushing for the resignation of union president and Oklahoma City guard Derek Fisher, who has been involved in an escalating feud with union executive director Billy Hunter that dates back to the NBA lockout.

Maurice Evans:
“It’s been a series of calls, starting last week with Derek trying to initiate a business review and audit of the union. But he did that without the consent of the board, and no one player, even the president, has more responsibility or power than the other players. It’s joint decisions that are made, and no one on the board supported that decision, and we feel that we should handle whatever allegations we have against the union, against Billy Hunter, or Derek Fisher for that matter, internally.

“We’ve given Derek that respect in the past. Everything that was alleged during the lockout, we pulled him in and handled those matters internally. We don’t feel like he’s given Billy that proper respect. We welcomed him to a call where he could come and defend himself and whatever allegations he had or concerns for the union, we would address them at that time, because a lot of players had questions of him as well, and he refused to come on the call.

“We sent out a letter on behalf of the entire board to Derek, telling Derek that we have appreciated his leadership up until this point, up until the lockout. From the end of the lockout to now, we have been dissatisfied with his actions. There's been a number of actions that have been questionable, and that have lost him the confidence of the board, not the other players, because the other players are not up to speed with what's going on. “So we've asked Derek to resign his position and allow us to separate from the union and leave with his integrity, and all the good things that he's done before this thing gets messy, because that's not what we're about.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/pick-and-roll/2012/04/evans-confirms-nba-players-union-push-fisher-resignation/513696

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  • Focal PointFocal Point Sa - Kem is my name... Maktub Posts: 12,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • Jdilla26Jdilla26 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    Right they say they tryna let him leave with some integrity but put it on blast to the media they want him to go LMAO another Lawse for Derek "1st the Lakers now this "
  • Elzo69RenaissanceElzo69Renaissance Resurrected just to save humanity ZionPosts: 21,441 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Derek was skimming money like ole girl who killed Selena?
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  • Jdilla26Jdilla26 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Derek was skimming money like ole girl who killed Selena?
    DFish wanted to do a audit on Billy Hunter and the Union to check for fraud.

  • FroHawkeFroHawke Posts: 1,115
    The NBA has a very weak union. The owners are laughing at this pathetic infighting. Fisher needs to gracefully step down, once the union loses confidence in it's leader, there isn't a point in keeping the position.
  • DillaDeafDillaDeaf 1,2,3 to da 4...Pico droppin dat ass to da floor Inside Aquafinafloe's Pussy with a hazmat suit.Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this whole shit is a power play by Hunter and is rotten..cause soon as Fisher calls an audit, Hunter somehow gets all 8 of the executive committee to vote Fish out (remember 2 of the committee players on the frickin Wizards) ....


    See let me school ya

    Many of the rank and file player agents do NOT like Hunter at all...that schism really started during the lockout when they were picking side............and let's not forget all of Hunter's past failures:



    - 1996: Allows owners to put caps on rookie salaries

    - 1999: Allows owners to limit contracts to 7 years Bird, 6 years Non-Bird, allows caps on individual salaries and raises at 12.5% of base for Bird, 10% of base for non-Bird, allows teams to put draft picks in restricted free agency in year 3. Accepts a dollar for dollar luxury tax. "Wins" the MLE and LLE exceptions.

    - 2005: Allows owners to limit contracts to 6 years Bird, 5 years non-Bird, caps on raises drop from 12.5% Bird to 10% Bird (can't remember what the non-Bird was... something like 10% to 8%), allows 19 year-old age limit, allows teams to have first round picks for two years of team options while only being on the hook for paying 2 years -- so now 4 years before the player can hit free agency. Players forced to pay into an escrow fund. Teams lose the LLE exception the year after using it.

    - 2011: Allows the owners to drop the players' slice from 57% BRI to as little as 49% BRI, and never more than 51.5%. Contracts are limited to 5 years Bird, 4 years non-Bird. Raises are dropped to 7.5% Bird, 4.5% non-Bird. Hunter bends over and takes an extremely punitive luxury tax. The MLE is shredded into a mini-MLE for teams paying tax. The LLE is gone for taxpaying teams. Even the full MLE has a year chopped off and $750k of base salary removed also.


    FroHawke
  • FroHawkeFroHawke Posts: 1,115
    this whole shit is a power play by Hunter and is rotten..cause soon as Fisher calls an audit, Hunter somehow gets all 8 of the executive committee to vote Fish out (remember 2 of the committee players on the frickin Wizards) ....


    See let me school ya

    Many of the rank and file player agents do NOT like Hunter at all...that schism really started during the lockout when they were picking side............and let's not forget all of Hunter's past failures:



    - 1996: Allows owners to put caps on rookie salaries

    - 1999: Allows owners to limit contracts to 7 years Bird, 6 years Non-Bird, allows caps on individual salaries and raises at 12.5% of base for Bird, 10% of base for non-Bird, allows teams to put draft picks in restricted free agency in year 3. Accepts a dollar for dollar luxury tax. "Wins" the MLE and LLE exceptions.

    - 2005: Allows owners to limit contracts to 6 years Bird, 5 years non-Bird, caps on raises drop from 12.5% Bird to 10% Bird (can't remember what the non-Bird was... something like 10% to 8%), allows 19 year-old age limit, allows teams to have first round picks for two years of team options while only being on the hook for paying 2 years -- so now 4 years before the player can hit free agency. Players forced to pay into an escrow fund. Teams lose the LLE exception the year after using it.

    - 2011: Allows the owners to drop the players' slice from 57% BRI to as little as 49% BRI, and never more than 51.5%. Contracts are limited to 5 years Bird, 4 years non-Bird. Raises are dropped to 7.5% Bird, 4.5% non-Bird. Hunter bends over and takes an extremely punitive luxury tax. The MLE is shredded into a mini-MLE for teams paying tax. The LLE is gone for taxpaying teams. Even the full MLE has a year chopped off and $750k of base salary removed also.


    Hunter is a bad executive, that I agree with. I think he's Stern's puppet, essentially
  • ragerage Posts: 5,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this whole shit is a power play by Hunter and is rotten..cause soon as Fisher calls an audit, Hunter somehow gets all 8 of the executive committee to vote Fish out (remember 2 of the committee players on the frickin Wizards) ....


    See let me school ya

    Many of the rank and file player agents do NOT like Hunter at all...that schism really started during the lockout when they were picking side............and let's not forget all of Hunter's past failures:



    - 1996: Allows owners to put caps on rookie salaries

    - 1999: Allows owners to limit contracts to 7 years Bird, 6 years Non-Bird, allows caps on individual salaries and raises at 12.5% of base for Bird, 10% of base for non-Bird, allows teams to put draft picks in restricted free agency in year 3. Accepts a dollar for dollar luxury tax. "Wins" the MLE and LLE exceptions.

    - 2005: Allows owners to limit contracts to 6 years Bird, 5 years non-Bird, caps on raises drop from 12.5% Bird to 10% Bird (can't remember what the non-Bird was... something like 10% to 8%), allows 19 year-old age limit, allows teams to have first round picks for two years of team options while only being on the hook for paying 2 years -- so now 4 years before the player can hit free agency. Players forced to pay into an escrow fund. Teams lose the LLE exception the year after using it.

    - 2011: Allows the owners to drop the players' slice from 57% BRI to as little as 49% BRI, and never more than 51.5%. Contracts are limited to 5 years Bird, 4 years non-Bird. Raises are dropped to 7.5% Bird, 4.5% non-Bird. Hunter bends over and takes an extremely punitive luxury tax. The MLE is shredded into a mini-MLE for teams paying tax. The LLE is gone for taxpaying teams. Even the full MLE has a year chopped off and $750k of base salary removed also.


    This has nothing to do with why Fisher is being given the boot. There is a board that makes decisions as a group, you can't go outside of that procedure....and do your own thing whenever you feel like it. Thats essentially what Evans is saying. No one person is above the group.

  • FroHawkeFroHawke Posts: 1,115
    rage wrote: »
    This has nothing to do with why Fisher is being given the boot. There is a board that makes decisions as a group, you can't go outside of that procedure....and do your own thing whenever you feel like it. Thats essentially what Evans is saying. No one person is above the group.

    Fisher may have felt he had to. If internal finances were being misapropriated and misused, what were the chances of the board approving an audit? Yeah, how about a NO on that one.

    I side with Fisher on this one, but I think he's fighting a losing battle here. Hunter seems to have the players' ear....I just wish more of the NBA'ers thought with their heads.
  • ragerage Posts: 5,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rage wrote: »
    This has nothing to do with why Fisher is being given the boot. There is a board that makes decisions as a group, you can't go outside of that procedure....and do your own thing whenever you feel like it. Thats essentially what Evans is saying. No one person is above the group.

    Fisher may have felt he had to. If internal finances were being misapropriated and misused, what were the chances of the board approving an audit? Yeah, how about a NO on that one.

    I side with Fisher on this one, but I think he's fighting a losing battle here. Hunter seems to have the players' ear....I just wish more of the NBA'ers thought with their heads.

    IF....if a lot of things. The fact of the matter is that you can't just do whatever you want, when your a part of group. Now if Fish had SOME proof...take it to the board...if they dont do anything take it to the media.
  • FroHawkeFroHawke Posts: 1,115
    rage wrote: »
    rage wrote: »
    This has nothing to do with why Fisher is being given the boot. There is a board that makes decisions as a group, you can't go outside of that procedure....and do your own thing whenever you feel like it. Thats essentially what Evans is saying. No one person is above the group.

    Fisher may have felt he had to. If internal finances were being misapropriated and misused, what were the chances of the board approving an audit? Yeah, how about a NO on that one.

    I side with Fisher on this one, but I think he's fighting a losing battle here. Hunter seems to have the players' ear....I just wish more of the NBA'ers thought with their heads.

    IF....if a lot of things. The fact of the matter is that you can't just do whatever you want, when your a part of group. Now if Fish had SOME proof...take it to the board...if they dont do anything take it to the media.

    Then where's his credibilty then? More than likely he gets implicated by associated by public opinion,media itself and some players. Its a lose lose anyway
  • DillaDeafDillaDeaf 1,2,3 to da 4...Pico droppin dat ass to da floor Inside Aquafinafloe's Pussy with a hazmat suit.Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rage wrote: »
    rage wrote: »
    This has nothing to do with why Fisher is being given the boot. There is a board that makes decisions as a group, you can't go outside of that procedure....and do your own thing whenever you feel like it. Thats essentially what Evans is saying. No one person is above the group.

    Fisher may have felt he had to. If internal finances were being misapropriated and misused, what were the chances of the board approving an audit? Yeah, how about a NO on that one.

    I side with Fisher on this one, but I think he's fighting a losing battle here. Hunter seems to have the players' ear....I just wish more of the NBA'ers thought with their heads.

    IF....if a lot of things. The fact of the matter is that you can't just do whatever you want, when your a part of group. Now if Fish had SOME proof...take it to the board...if they dont do anything take it to the media.



    The rank and file didn't like the board, but the Hunter had the board's ears during the lockout and navigated them to yet another shitty deal that won't impact them until next year, and then they will really hate the board. Hunter is only looking out for himself, that why Fisher called the audit. He wanted to make sure everything is on the up and up. The reason I post the stuff Hunter went though is to show all the bad negotiations he did over the year. Like the poster above me said, i wish the NBA'ers had a brain and thought this shit though.
  • jay83jay83 Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    Maybe Derek Fisher had his eyes set on Hunters job when he retires. I didnt think it was a good look when he got his contract bought out and went to another top team in the NBA which was the thunder. even though im glad the rockets didnt play him. Didnt he do the same thing with UTAH as well? or was it like an emergency thing or something? i cant remember.

    This isnt a good luck for the NBPA.
  • supaman4321supaman4321 Posts: 946
    If I remember correctly didn't the Utah trade have more to do with him wanting to relocate closer to the specialist that his daughter was being treated by, she had some kinda ailment can't remember what it it was now though
  • lamontbdclamontbdc Posts: 15,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NFl gets a lawyer to go against the union the NBA gets Fisher. NBA lost
  • twizza 77twizza 77 Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/04/report-billy-hunter-tried-investing-millions-of-nba-players-union-funds-in-a-bank-tied-to-his-son/

    Report: Billy Hunter Tried Investing Millions of NBA Players’ Union Funds in a Bank Tied to His Son


    The latest in the ongoing disaster that is otherwise known as the NBA Players Association is a bombshell from Yahoo! Sports today, comprehensively alleging that Billy Hunter wanted to invest union funds into a bank with deep ties to his son, Todd. Yikes: “On the weekend of the 2009 All-Star Game in Phoenix, Pat Garrity, the treasurer of the National Basketball Players Association, walked into a conference room inside the Sheraton Phoenix determined to make one final stand in his decade of service to the union. Garrity had warned peers and NBPA executive director Billy Hunter prior to the ’09 executive committee meeting that he planned to challenge Hunter on business practices, and several players purposely steered clear of the confrontational scene.

    In the aftermath of the U.S. banking crisis in 2008, Garrity had grown increasingly suspicious of an investment bank project that Hunter had been pitching to the executive committee and player representatives. For Garrity and some peers in the NBPA, the investment made no sense. Hunter had sought a $7 million to $9 million investment from the union into Interstate Net Bank of Cherry Hill, N.J., a financial institution that federal and state banking regulators had slapped with debilitating ‘cease-and-desist’ orders, sources said. Garrity discovered information online that left him feeling obligated to confront Billy Hunter: Hunter’s son, Todd, had a seat on the board of directors of Interstate Net Bank.

    Todd Hunter is also a vice president for Prim Capital, which has a consulting contract with the NBPA that has paid the company in excess of $2.5 million since 2006, according to U.S. Department of Labor filings. ‘Why didn’t you disclose any of this?’ Garrity asked Hunter several times at the 2009 meeting, witnesses said.

    When reached by phone, Garrity confirmed the description of events that sources provided. He declined to further comment. Hunter declined comment for this story through a union spokesman. At the meeting, Hunter left the talking to longtime ally and NBPA chief counsel, Gary Hall, and Hall wasn’t offering answers. Garrity and Hall screamed back and forth, and Garrity’s questions weren’t addressed, witnesses said.

    Finally, witnesses said, Hall – who died on May 11, 2011 – told Garrity that he was a retired player, no longer welcome on the executive committee, and that security would be called to remove him unless he left on his own. With executive committee members Keyon Dooling and Adonal Foyle appearing uncomfortable – and NBPA president Derek Fisher refusing to use his authority to demand Garrity be allowed to speak over Hall’s yelling – Garrity left the room, left the NBPA and never returned again.”
  • detcatinvadetcatinva Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lol at billy hunter, he tries to blackball derek fisher and then this report surfaces. he need to step down and resign. the union needs somebody who aint gonna be a pussy towards david stern
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