race and all the other shit aside, whom the fuck is afraid of ANYONE, let alone some random kid, knowing they have a loaded weapon?
Zimmerman saying he was afraid is bullshit, I also believe that it was in fact trayvon screaming for help, but I also believe tray threw the first blow.
So there are a lot of variables, but to me Zimmerman should not have been following him from the get go and damn sure didn't have to shoot someone that was unarmed because he deservedly beat your ass for following him. Zimmerman is dead regardless of the outcome so it is what it is.
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this shit should've never gone to trial in the first place. Someone is Trayvon's family shoulda rode out on that dude, or laid in wait for him. Put some hot ones in him as soon as he popped his head up.
SMH @ old heads actin like they don't know what time it is.
Dirty Sanchez you suspect cracca having me on your mind in general. n/h
I said this from day 1, when the police simply released Zimmerman from custody with a lollipop and a coloring book.
No riots, no protesting, no media spectacle. Just one clean hit.
I understand the legal terra firma which basically guarantees a not guilty verdict for GZ. However if Tm was one of your boys or fam, and he got done in this way would you be lookin for the payback, or would you still rest your decision with the legal grounds of matter?
IMO, from a philosophical standpoint, I see GZ being at least legally culpable if not criminally. TM's death, no matter how you cut it originates from the same point-if GZ had not followed Tm then TM is probably still alive to this day. To me the only question that remains is, was GZ a self styled vigilante looking for an opportunity to flex e;g use his pistol? His past seems to indicate that.
When he gets off b/c there are so many details that can't be proven, he will forever have protection. He will also do some consistent weapons training so he can stand his ground again if he needs to.
It'd be cool if he killed himself like 10
years down the line.
I understand the legal terra firma which basically guarantees a not guilty verdict for GZ. However if Tm was one of your boys or fam, and he got done in this way would you be lookin for the payback, or would you still rest your decision with the legal grounds of matter?...
I wouldn't look for "payback" or "justice" because I don't care about such things and I don't become attached to people to begin with.
This isn't a fight that can be won on legal grounds. Zimmerman was wrong for shooting Trayvon because he never should've gotten out the truck. However the law as it is written will be in GZ's favor most likely.
We should take this argument out of the realm of legal vs illegal because not everything that is legal is just or right. GZ shooting Trayvon was definitely unethical and racially motivated. His fear was racially motivated, his nightmare come to life being beaten to a pulp by a Black man.
We can ask and answer the question would Trayvon be alive if GZ had not decided to follow him? The answer is probably yes, given the exponential number of death scenarios people encounter in their life. One can reasonably ascertain that were it not for GZ's direct action of following Tray he'd never been in an altercation with him that resulted in him firing his weapon at close range into his chest.
Ethically, on G code, GZ is liable for Tray's murder even if the system finds him not guilty. Pulling out a pistol because you getting your ass whooped in a one on one fight is bitch shit. If anyone in the hood pulled this they'd be looked at like a punk ass bitch, and be marked for the 187 on sight. I see no reason why GZ shouldn't be treated the same. If I were his family, I'd prepare myself to go handle that and not depend on a justice system that historically has been to the detriment of Blacks.
I understand all this. It's just nonsense how there are white people like Vibe who exist who will completely defend Zimmerman and deny that this was racial profiling, blatantly justifying the murder of an unarmed child. We all know that if this kid was white, he wouldn't have been stalked and there wouldn't be people trying to say that following him was the right thing to do.
It's not nonsense and it is at the same time. Getting white people to admit that shit is fucked up on a racial level is like pulling teeth. I don't need a white man's validation to know what it is, my advice you shouldn't either because instead of advancing the point we get stuck in these legal quagmires like so. The point should be made you take one of ours of takin one of yours, even if I can't get to you imma come at someone close to you.
Black people have been waiting on white people to do right since they started really doing fucked up shit, and we'll be waitin forever and one day waiting on them to do something? My question is, when are Black folks gonna decide to do somethin, besides marchin and protesting because I can tell you for every march and demonstration not one fuck was given that day. Want justice, want some parity we gotta get it ourselves.
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with white folks, it's not about right or wrong, it's about white and black. then they flip the script on us, as if we constantly
play the race card.
all i'm saying is, you see how majority of whites are quick to defend Zimmerman, but are quick to condemn Mike Jack, Kobe, OJ. etc.
although i'm down 4 tearin shit up, a riot ain't gonna do shit .
after we riot, then what?
did shit get better for us after 92'?
did shit get better for the folks in OakTown, when they tore shit up for the homie Oscar Grant?
Us Blacks, need to start teaching our kids from young. about our history in america, no white hate.
my pops came to the U.S , got put on game n he passed that shit to me.
"The triumph and tribulations of being black"
as i got older , the more i realized from 1st hand experience. however most kids experience, but don't realize. Since their parents didn't teach em' shit, except curse words.
niggaz grow up with that ;"only color that matters, is green" bullshit. while lil white kids are learning racist jokes from their parents.
Then niggaz get hurt , when reality smack them in the face, and wakes them up from the, "post racial, new day, this is 2012 we got a black president" bull shit.
and black Americans are delusional.
why u think the "3 M's" spoke of Pan africanism; Malcolm, Marcus and to a lesser extent Martin.
because the rise of the black man, can and only will happen. where the downfall started; ie. Afrik'. Us Black Americans don't have any resources, have to much confusion among ourselves,and barley own businesses in our own communities.
Africa alone, is responsible for at least 60% of the worlds resources. that's the heart, why u think theirs always bullshit ass conflicts goin on thru out Africa?
why do u think, every-time a ugambi or a gadaffi come up. either to get back theirs, or to unify Africa, they're either sanctioned or killed?
LOL @ OJ, I think everyone and their mama, fuck a color, thought he was guilty.
O.J wasn't found at the scene of the crime. a random motorist can spot his white bronco, but no one witness OJ at the scene of the crime,or near the scene of the crime. nobody heard pleads.
who leaves evidence "Glove", at the scene of the crime??
then the other one at the back yard of his estate, knowing damn well that he left the other one at the scene of the crime???
might as well had left the murder weapon too. but they didn't find any, so how they know OJ did it?
Zimmerman story is BS. Its amazing it took this long just to get an arrest. How did the media get away with questing if this case should go to trial? I hate the media in this country.
it really doesnt matter if OJ did it or not.....white people didnt let it go until he was convicted.....he was damn near boycotted everywhere he went and certain restaurants wouldnt serve him. white america made him guilty...but with zimmerman....he gets protected..he admits the killing but gives an excuse...he has a history of violent outbursts...bit im sure hes the victim in everyone.
my parents always said that if all the ppl are against you...then maybe its you.
white ppl know racism is still here....they just want to be the only ones to use it when convenient. the fact that a white person can ask a black person if they voted for obama because he was black is playing the race card to an extend. they see you color and think your not smart enough to know the policies but only vote because of his color. yet, when you ask why didnt they vote for him...is it becuase hes black...then they are all up in arms about how they aren't racist, and they got black freinds and its because he doesnt support this or that.
white ppl arent naive....they just pretend to be so they wont have to admit any wrong doing
and like someone said....stop looking for them to validate racism...fukk em....you feel how you feel for a reason....fukk em again
I understand the legal terra firma which basically guarantees a not guilty verdict for GZ. However if Tm was one of your boys or fam, and he got done in this way would you be lookin for the payback, or would you still rest your decision with the legal grounds of matter?...
I wouldn't look for "payback" or "justice" because I don't care about such things and I don't become attached to people to begin with.
I understand that. However you do not appear to be unattached. Things affect you enough to spur a comment. If someone were to destroy something precious to you, your dinosaur collection, some project where some experiments could not be reproduced, you'd feel a certain way about the person responsible. I know you would.
You remind me of Dark Beast. It can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the situation.
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Let me guess. Legal Tender has actually read and researched more of this stuff than most others and is providing emotionless analysis.
Jihad and heyslick are providing the emotional analysis from either side.
Blah blah blah...
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2 • Wack Feelings Nosign 1Cosign 1Ether GOAT LOL •Zimmerman saying he was afraid is bullshit, I also believe that it was in fact trayvon screaming for help, but I also believe tray threw the first blow.
So there are a lot of variables, but to me Zimmerman should not have been following him from the get go and damn sure didn't have to shoot someone that was unarmed because he deservedly beat your ass for following him. Zimmerman is dead regardless of the outcome so it is what it is.
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No riots, no protesting, no media spectacle. Just one clean hit.
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0 • Wack Feelings Nosign Cosign Ether GOAT LOL •Not many seem to know the story and I posted the wiki to clear confusion in the story.
Zimmerman, not guilty. Not due to race but due to the evidence.
Quote me.
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IMO, from a philosophical standpoint, I see GZ being at least legally culpable if not criminally. TM's death, no matter how you cut it originates from the same point-if GZ had not followed Tm then TM is probably still alive to this day. To me the only question that remains is, was GZ a self styled vigilante looking for an opportunity to flex e;g use his pistol? His past seems to indicate that.
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It'd be cool if he killed himself like 10
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i mean of course it makes sense for them to be the same person, but im too lazy check. 4 pages of people arguin over a case that is simple as shit
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with white folks, it's not about right or wrong, it's about white and black. then they flip the script on us, as if we constantly
play the race card.
all i'm saying is, you see how majority of whites are quick to defend Zimmerman, but are quick to condemn Mike Jack, Kobe, OJ. etc.
although i'm down 4 tearin shit up, a riot ain't gonna do shit .
after we riot, then what?
did shit get better for us after 92'?
did shit get better for the folks in OakTown, when they tore shit up for the homie Oscar Grant?
Us Blacks, need to start teaching our kids from young. about our history in america, no white hate.
my pops came to the U.S , got put on game n he passed that shit to me.
"The triumph and tribulations of being black"
as i got older , the more i realized from 1st hand experience. however most kids experience, but don't realize. Since their parents didn't teach em' shit, except curse words.
niggaz grow up with that ;"only color that matters, is green" bullshit. while lil white kids are learning racist jokes from their parents.
Then niggaz get hurt , when reality smack them in the face, and wakes them up from the, "post racial, new day, this is 2012 we got a black president" bull shit.
and black Americans are delusional.
why u think the "3 M's" spoke of Pan africanism; Malcolm, Marcus and to a lesser extent Martin.
because the rise of the black man, can and only will happen. where the downfall started; ie. Afrik'. Us Black Americans don't have any resources, have to much confusion among ourselves,and barley own businesses in our own communities.
Africa alone, is responsible for at least 60% of the worlds resources. that's the heart, why u think theirs always bullshit ass conflicts goin on thru out Africa?
why do u think, every-time a ugambi or a gadaffi come up. either to get back theirs, or to unify Africa, they're either sanctioned or killed?
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0 • Wack Feelings Nosign Cosign Ether GOAT LOL •O.J wasn't found at the scene of the crime. a random motorist can spot his white bronco, but no one witness OJ at the scene of the crime,or near the scene of the crime. nobody heard pleads.
who leaves evidence "Glove", at the scene of the crime??
then the other one at the back yard of his estate, knowing damn well that he left the other one at the scene of the crime???
might as well had left the murder weapon too. but they didn't find any, so how they know OJ did it?
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Do you think Casey Anthony murdered her daughter Caylee?
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0 • Wack Feelings Nosign Cosign Ether GOAT LOL •my parents always said that if all the ppl are against you...then maybe its you.
white ppl know racism is still here....they just want to be the only ones to use it when convenient. the fact that a white person can ask a black person if they voted for obama because he was black is playing the race card to an extend. they see you color and think your not smart enough to know the policies but only vote because of his color. yet, when you ask why didnt they vote for him...is it becuase hes black...then they are all up in arms about how they aren't racist, and they got black freinds and its because he doesnt support this or that.
white ppl arent naive....they just pretend to be so they wont have to admit any wrong doing
and like someone said....stop looking for them to validate racism...fukk em....you feel how you feel for a reason....fukk em again
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0 • Wack Feelings Nosign Cosign Ether GOAT LOL •I understand that. However you do not appear to be unattached. Things affect you enough to spur a comment. If someone were to destroy something precious to you, your dinosaur collection, some project where some experiments could not be reproduced, you'd feel a certain way about the person responsible. I know you would.
You remind me of Dark Beast. It can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on the situation.
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