Zimmerman says Trayvon circled his SUV, frightened him...

Jamaica · May 2012

@fiat_money two points

1. correct me if i'm wrong wasn't the bond hearing a month after the incident? Why are all these key evidence being withheld especially with irrelevant stuff about both men being revealed. based on where the car was he was a few distance from the jeep. so how did they get all the way to where trayvon was found?

2. your goal is to "pick apart weak arguments" yet i've never seen you do this for pro zimmerman arguments. so are all the only "weak arguments" coming from those that defend trayvon?

fiat_money · May 2012

Jamaica wrote: »

@fiat_money two points

1. correct me if i'm wrong wasn't the bond hearing a month after the incident? Why are all these key evidence being withheld especially with irrelevant stuff about both men being revealed. based on where the car was he was a few distance from the jeep. so how did they get all the way to where trayvon was found?

2. your goal is to "pick apart weak arguments" yet i've never seen you do this for pro zimmerman arguments. so are all the only "weak arguments" coming from those that defend trayvon?

1. The bond hearing was almost 2 months after the shooting. Key evidence is generally withheld from the public in criminal cases; leaving irrelevant shit to be discovered by the media and others. There has been no claim that they confronted each other near Zimmerman's car to begin with, so they didn't have to "get all the way to where trayvon was found".

2. Two pages ago, I said both "ghost tho's" and "heyslick's" posts had false premises; and then I corrected them. However, based on available information at this moment, the "pro-Zimmerman" argument is stronger. So, unless there is an obvious false assumption used like in heyslick's case, there is not much to pick at.

Jamaica · May 2012

1. not in most other high profile cases. in the oj case we knew damn near everything early on. oj tried to clear his name by stating he was on his way to a trip somewhere and was getting ready to board a plane.
if somebody was getting their skull bashed on a concrete you would take pics of those injuries just in case to prove your point was justified in shooting the kid. if the injuries were severe the emt would make sure you get taken to a hospital to get stitches and evaluated for concussions. so unless i missed something did he ever go to a hospital?

now back to the car situation. where trayvon was found his car could not be in that area. zimmerman first lied that he attempted to follow him but lost track of him and walked back to his car. then he said he circled the car. but during the 911 call he claimed "they always get away" so at what point was all this going on? it seems like his story keeps changing.

2. okay

Law Trafalgar · May 2012

Who the fuck circles cars and not damage them?

fiat_money · May 2012

Jamaica wrote: »

1. not in most other high profile cases. in the oj case we knew damn near everything early on. oj tried to clear his name by stating he was on his way to a trip somewhere and was getting ready to board a plane.
if somebody was getting their skull bashed on a concrete you would take pics of those injuries just in case to prove your point was justified in shooting the kid. if the injuries were severe the emt would make sure you get taken to a hospital to get stitches and evaluated for concussions. so unless i missed something did he ever go to a hospital?

now back to the car situation. where trayvon was found his car could not be in that area. zimmerman first lied that he attempted to follow him but lost track of him and walked back to his car. then he said he circled the car. but during the 911 call he claimed "they always get away" so at what point was all this going on? it seems like his story keeps changing.

2. okay

1. The difference is that Zimmerman wasn't even charged with a crime for the first few weeks. Police/lawyers commonly express reluctance to commenting on ongoing investigations. Zimmerman's lawyer claims they have medical records of his injuries.

There was never a claim that they confronted each other near or at Zimmerman's car, so where Treyvon's body was found is irrelevant. Can you prove the bolded? Zimmerman's claim is that he followed him, lost track, and started going back to his car; there has been no claim saying he reached his car. Zimmerman's statements during the 911 call supports this. Chronologically, Zimmerman would've been walking back to his car after Treyvon's alleged circling, which would've been after Zimmerman said "They always get away.".

fiat_money · May 2012

ghost tho wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

@fiat_money two points

1. correct me if i'm wrong wasn't the bond hearing a month after the incident? Why are all these key evidence being withheld especially with irrelevant stuff about both men being revealed. based on where the car was he was a few distance from the jeep. so how did they get all the way to where trayvon was found?

2. your goal is to "pick apart weak arguments" yet i've never seen you do this for pro zimmerman arguments. so are all the only "weak arguments" coming from those that defend trayvon?

However, based on available information at this moment, the "pro-Zimmerman" argument is stronger.

how my nigga HOW??? GZ misled the dispacter..."he's on drugs" - he wasnt, "hand in his waistband" - he was unarmed. "they always get away" & "fucking coon" that establishes motive. 2 white lady neighbors said they heard a young man screaming for help, experts say theres only a 30% chance the voice is Zimmermans. Trayvons GF said she heard him ask GZ "why are u following me?" GZ's nose wasnt broken. GZ claims he never pursed the boy, then HOW did they end up 200 yard away from his car?

GZ has the cut on his head and thats about it for his cred...his story is mad leaky...how do u figure his argument is STRONGER?

Concerning the quotes, Zimmerman said:
"This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something."
"Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band."
"These assholes. They always get away."

^^This shows Zimmerman assumed Treyvon was a criminal; assuming someone is a criminal is not illegal.

The two women witnesses say they think the voice was from a young man; the only up close eyewitness to the fight/scuffle says Zimmerman was screaming to him for help while being attacked. The "audio experts" say there was a 48% chance that the voice outside in the rain heard in the background during 911 call was Zimmerman's, which is 12% less than the 60% needed for them to "confidently" say it was him; and they have not said which percentage of a match the voice was to Treyvon's. Can you prove that Zimmerman's nose wasn't broken? Where has Zimmerman claimed he never pursued Treyvon? Do you have anything showing which direction Zimmerman was moving after the "pursuit" (which according to the 911 call lasted less than 15 seconds)? Zimmerman had over a minute to walk around for the rest of the 911 call and perhaps even more time afterward; this, coupled with the distance that may have been traveled during the "pursuit" makes a 200 yard displacement from his car is possible.

His story is only mad leaky if you make false assumptions or misrepresent it. As it stands now, the claim that Treyvon "circled" Zimmerman's car is the weakest part of Zimmerman's claim; since he neglected to mention it during the 911 call. However, even that would not make the use of force unlawful. So, for these reasons, and the ones I've posted previously, the "pro-Zimmerman" argument is stronger.

fiat_money · May 2012

ghost tho wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

ghost tho wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

@fiat_money two points

1. correct me if i'm wrong wasn't the bond hearing a month after the incident? Why are all these key evidence being withheld especially with irrelevant stuff about both men being revealed. based on where the car was he was a few distance from the jeep. so how did they get all the way to where trayvon was found?

2. your goal is to "pick apart weak arguments" yet i've never seen you do this for pro zimmerman arguments. so are all the only "weak arguments" coming from those that defend trayvon?

However, based on available information at this moment, the "pro-Zimmerman" argument is stronger.

how my nigga HOW??? GZ misled the dispacter..."he's on drugs" - he wasnt, "hand in his waistband" - he was unarmed. "they always get away" & "fucking coon" that establishes motive. 2 white lady neighbors said they heard a young man screaming for help, experts say theres only a 30% chance the voice is Zimmermans. Trayvons GF said she heard him ask GZ "why are u following me?" GZ's nose wasnt broken. GZ claims he never pursed the boy, then HOW did they end up 200 yard away from his car?

GZ has the cut on his head and thats about it for his cred...his story is mad leaky...how do u figure his argument is STRONGER?

Concerning the quotes, Zimmerman said:
"This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something."
"Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band."
"These assholes. They always get away."

^^This shows Zimmerman assumed Treyvon was a criminal; assuming someone is a criminal is not illegal.

Where has Zimmerman claimed he never pursued Treyvon? Do you have anything showing which direction Zimmerman was moving after the "pursuit" (which according to the 911 call lasted less than 15 seconds)? Zimmerman had over a minute to walk around for the rest of the 911 call and perhaps even more time afterward; this, coupled with the distance that may have been traveled during the "pursuit" makes a 200 yard displacement from his car is possible.

start @ about 5:00...basically his lawyer says GZ didnt follow trayvon. When GZ said "ok" to the dispatcher he went back to his car. Lawyer also says GZ walked down the street (dont know which direction) to look for an address, thats when Trayvon ran up on him. Unless he went looking for an address 200 yards away from his car (where the body was found) he FOLLOWED the boy...and I know thats your argument too, but the lawyer says he DIDNT follow him, but Trayvon found GZ.

On the 911 call u can hear GZs door ajar alert sounding, therefore he was close to or still in his car when his lawyer claims he
stopped following Trayvon. He couldnt be "displaced" by 200 yards if he heeded the dispatchers advice as his lawyer says he did.

At 5:10, the lawyer clearly says Zimmerman responded "yes" when the dispatcher asked "Are you following him?"; this means the lawyer is saying that Zimmerman followed Treyvon. So the bolded is false, based on the video you yourself posted.

And the fact that you don't know the direction he walked in means that there a numerous paths that could've led Zimmerman to the place where the confrontation occurred. From the moment the dispatcher asks Zimmerman if he was following Treyvon or not till the point where the call ends around 1 minute and 43 seconds passes, around 2 more minutes pass before before Treyvon's call to his girlfriend ends, and 2 minutes and thirty seconds pass from the end of Zimmerman's 911 call to the first witness 911 call about shouting. So, at the least, Zimmerman had around 3 minutes and 43 seconds to walk around and end up 200 yards from his car; which is plenty of time.

Law Trafalgar · May 2012

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fiat_money · May 2012

SuperstarCole wrote: »

Fiat, when bitches give you half ass'd excuses not to fuck do you mind fuck them into giving the puss?

Nah, I just get them to understand that it's in their best interests to fuck me; to the point where they feel as though fucking me was their idea and I'm doing them a favor.

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VIBE · May 2012

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fiat_money · May 2012

ghost tho wrote: »

I'm telling you GZ's lawyer not going admit to him following Trayvon in court. That makes him look guilty. Their position will be Trayvon found GZ. All the Zimbots on CNN and other news sites are saying GZ didnt follow Trayvon.

Does/will that change ur perspective?

slightly better map

Zimmerman himself says he followed Treyvon in the 911 call, there's no point in anyone saying he didn't. Within 15 seconds Zimmerman says "He ran", implying he lost track of Treyvon; Treyvon's girlfriend also says that Treyvon ran and he thought he lost Zimmerman.

Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he'd managed to escape.

desertrain10 · May 2012

fiat_money wrote: »

ghost tho wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

@fiat_money two points

1. correct me if i'm wrong wasn't the bond hearing a month after the incident? Why are all these key evidence being withheld especially with irrelevant stuff about both men being revealed. based on where the car was he was a few distance from the jeep. so how did they get all the way to where trayvon was found?

2. your goal is to "pick apart weak arguments" yet i've never seen you do this for pro zimmerman arguments. so are all the only "weak arguments" coming from those that defend trayvon?

However, based on available information at this moment, the "pro-Zimmerman" argument is stronger.

how my nigga HOW??? GZ misled the dispacter..."he's on drugs" - he wasnt, "hand in his waistband" - he was unarmed. "they always get away" & "fucking coon" that establishes motive. 2 white lady neighbors said they heard a young man screaming for help, experts say theres only a 30% chance the voice is Zimmermans. Trayvons GF said she heard him ask GZ "why are u following me?" GZ's nose wasnt broken. GZ claims he never pursed the boy, then HOW did they end up 200 yard away from his car?

GZ has the cut on his head and thats about it for his cred...his story is mad leaky...how do u figure his argument is STRONGER?

Concerning the quotes, Zimmerman said:
"This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something."
"Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band."
"These assholes. They always get away."

^^This shows Zimmerman assumed Treyvon was a criminal; assuming someone is a criminal is not illegal.

The two women witnesses say they think the voice was from a young man; the only up close eyewitness to the fight/scuffle says Zimmerman was screaming to him for help while being attacked. The "audio experts" say there was a 48% chance that the voice outside in the rain heard in the background during 911 call was Zimmerman's, which is 12% less than the 60% needed for them to "confidently" say it was him; and they have not said which percentage of a match the voice was to Treyvon's. Can you prove that Zimmerman's nose wasn't broken? Where has Zimmerman claimed he never pursued Treyvon? Do you have anything showing which direction Zimmerman was moving after the "pursuit" (which according to the 911 call lasted less than 15 seconds)? Zimmerman had over a minute to walk around for the rest of the 911 call and perhaps even more time afterward; this, coupled with the distance that may have been traveled during the "pursuit" makes a 200 yard displacement from his car is possible.

His story is only mad leaky if you make false assumptions or misrepresent it. As it stands now, the claim that Treyvon "circled" Zimmerman's car is the weakest part of Zimmerman's claim; since he neglected to mention it during the 911 call. However, even that would not make the use of force unlawful. So, for these reasons, and the ones I've posted previously, the "pro-Zimmerman" argument is stronger.

ok...

unless the ballistics prove differently, thanx to the 'stand your ground' law its going to be difficult to say beyond a reasonable doubt as to whether or not zimmerman was acting in self defense or not... no one is arguing that

however this case still hinges on george's word and obviously zimmerman is going say whatever to keep his ass out of prison...so why are you so quick to believe him? lol.....

1. he says trayvon attacked him from behide but its also possible that trayvon, who his gf can attest to was scared, panicked and thought his best option was to hide in an effort to allude this strange man, GZ lost him and after a brief search zimmerman spotted him...

2. yes there are witnesses who say trayvon was on stop of GZ but that doesn't mean anything but george was momentarily overpowered....no one actually witnessed the finally moments of trayvon's life

3. one witness claimed he seen trayvon hitting george and warned him to stop, but its more than in the realm of possibility that trayvon could have seen or felt this strange man who had been following him had a gun therefore he was fighting for his life ...

4. no one can say for sure who was screaming for help, so that's a moot point

not to mention trayvon circling his truck reeks of bullshit... even what he claimed trayvon had said to him when confronted sounded like some shit from a tv movie from the 1980s...

what we do know for fact that armed with a gun zimmerman, who has a history of violence and has been the subject of complaints from his fellow neighbors for his aggressive behavior, stalked a teenage boy for no other reason than the way he looked.... at the end of the day had GZ not have acted so recklessly and stayed in his car, trayvon would still be alive today ....can we all agree to that at least? ...damn

fiat_money · May 2012

desertrain10 wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

ghost tho wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

@fiat_money two points

1. correct me if i'm wrong wasn't the bond hearing a month after the incident? Why are all these key evidence being withheld especially with irrelevant stuff about both men being revealed. based on where the car was he was a few distance from the jeep. so how did they get all the way to where trayvon was found?

2. your goal is to "pick apart weak arguments" yet i've never seen you do this for pro zimmerman arguments. so are all the only "weak arguments" coming from those that defend trayvon?

However, based on available information at this moment, the "pro-Zimmerman" argument is stronger.

how my nigga HOW??? GZ misled the dispacter..."he's on drugs" - he wasnt, "hand in his waistband" - he was unarmed. "they always get away" & "fucking coon" that establishes motive. 2 white lady neighbors said they heard a young man screaming for help, experts say theres only a 30% chance the voice is Zimmermans. Trayvons GF said she heard him ask GZ "why are u following me?" GZ's nose wasnt broken. GZ claims he never pursed the boy, then HOW did they end up 200 yard away from his car?

GZ has the cut on his head and thats about it for his cred...his story is mad leaky...how do u figure his argument is STRONGER?

Concerning the quotes, Zimmerman said:
"This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something."
"Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band."
"These assholes. They always get away."

^^This shows Zimmerman assumed Treyvon was a criminal; assuming someone is a criminal is not illegal.

The two women witnesses say they think the voice was from a young man; the only up close eyewitness to the fight/scuffle says Zimmerman was screaming to him for help while being attacked. The "audio experts" say there was a 48% chance that the voice outside in the rain heard in the background during 911 call was Zimmerman's, which is 12% less than the 60% needed for them to "confidently" say it was him; and they have not said which percentage of a match the voice was to Treyvon's. Can you prove that Zimmerman's nose wasn't broken? Where has Zimmerman claimed he never pursued Treyvon? Do you have anything showing which direction Zimmerman was moving after the "pursuit" (which according to the 911 call lasted less than 15 seconds)? Zimmerman had over a minute to walk around for the rest of the 911 call and perhaps even more time afterward; this, coupled with the distance that may have been traveled during the "pursuit" makes a 200 yard displacement from his car is possible.

His story is only mad leaky if you make false assumptions or misrepresent it. As it stands now, the claim that Treyvon "circled" Zimmerman's car is the weakest part of Zimmerman's claim; since he neglected to mention it during the 911 call. However, even that would not make the use of force unlawful. So, for these reasons, and the ones I've posted previously, the "pro-Zimmerman" argument is stronger.

...however this case still hinges on george's word and obviously zimmerman is going say whatever to keep his ass out of prison...so why are you so quick to believe him?...

fiat_money wrote: »

Where have I said the bolded?

Throughout this thread and others; I've used phrases like "Zimmerman's claim", "according to X person", "Y person's account", or "released evidence". I even called the picture that ABC dropped "alleged".

I've yet to assume any of these claims are true.

edwardnigma · May 2012

When you become too technical about something thats simple you confuse yourself.

It's simple

Zimmerman, thought Trayvon was a criminal, followed him with a loaded gun, chased him when he began to run, caught up to him tussled with him and shot him dead.

Only for us to find out, Trayvon was not a criminal, he was unarmed and lived in the community, he tried to get away before he tried to attack, he screamed for help and got killed, for no fucking reason.

End of story, if someone tries to defend Zimmerman, they are Bigots ad upfront about it, or they are Bigots and hiding it.

Everyone in the world knows, you should not kill kids, especially unarmed kids, who are running away from you screaming for help.

You fucking evil motherfuckers.

fiat_money · May 2012

edwardnigma wrote: »

When you become too technical about something thats simple you confuse yourself.

It's simple

Zimmerman, thought Trayvon was a criminal, followed him with a loaded gun, chased him when he began to run, caught up to him tussled with him and shot him dead.

Only for us to find out, Trayvon was not a criminal, he was unarmed and lived in the community, he tried to get away before he tried to attack, he screamed for help and got killed, for no fucking reason.

End of story, if someone tries to defend Zimmerman, they are Bigots ad upfront about it, or they are Bigots and hiding it.

Everyone in the world knows, you should not kill kids, especially unarmed kids, who are running away from you screaming for help.

You fucking evil motherfuckers.

Proof that Zimmerman "caught up to" Treyvon?

Treyvon's girlfriend and Zimmerman's account on the 911 call both say Treyvon lost Zimmerman after running.

At this point, there's no proof showing which one caught up to the other.

edwardnigma · May 2012

Trayvon is Dead. He had no weapon and he was running from Zimmerman who was persuing him.

When someone persues somebody else that is fleeing, once they meet, the proper way to describe the situation is to say the persuer/chaser caught up to the person whom was fleeing.....You understand?

I see you try to complicate things to sound intellectual shit is simple.

fiat_money · May 2012

edwardnigma wrote: »

Trayvon is Dead. He had no weapon and he was running from Zimmerman who was persuing him.

When someone persues somebody else that is fleeing, once they meet, the proper way to describe the situation is to say the persuer/chaser caught up to the person whom was fleeing.....You understand?

I see you try to complicate things to sound intellectual shit is simple.

It's not "catching up" if the pursuit ends because the pursuer loses track of the pursued.

If I chase a person, and I stop when don't see them; then I have not caught up to them. If they later approach me, then that would not be me "catching up to" them.

Since there is no proof as to which one caught up to the other; your claim is baseless.

edwardnigma · May 2012

Fuck a claim, I'm not into the kind of justice you talking about. They need to pay someone or up and put one in between this guys eyes. Justice Served. 8-10gs on the streets and that nigga would be gone. But most people don't know what true Justice is. So we're stuck at the courts.

You know what right and wrong is, your playing games, you want to feel like a Lawyer I suppose.

You could play that game all you want. I'm not playing it.

Zimmerman persued the boy, found the boy, and killed the boy. After the fact he was told not to persue the boy by the 911 operator.End of story.

Drgoo0285 · May 2012

fiat_money wrote: »

ghost tho wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

@fiat_money two points

1. correct me if i'm wrong wasn't the bond hearing a month after the incident? Why are all these key evidence being withheld especially with irrelevant stuff about both men being revealed. based on where the car was he was a few distance from the jeep. so how did they get all the way to where trayvon was found?

2. your goal is to "pick apart weak arguments" yet i've never seen you do this for pro zimmerman arguments. so are all the only "weak arguments" coming from those that defend trayvon?

However, based on available information at this moment, the "pro-Zimmerman" argument is stronger.

how my nigga HOW??? GZ misled the dispacter..."he's on drugs" - he wasnt, "hand in his waistband" - he was unarmed. "they always get away" & "fucking coon" that establishes motive. 2 white lady neighbors said they heard a young man screaming for help, experts say theres only a 30% chance the voice is Zimmermans. Trayvons GF said she heard him ask GZ "why are u following me?" GZ's nose wasnt broken. GZ claims he never pursed the boy, then HOW did they end up 200 yard away from his car?

GZ has the cut on his head and thats about it for his cred...his story is mad leaky...how do u figure his argument is STRONGER?

The "audio experts" say there was a 48% chance that the voice outside in the rain heard in the background during 911 call was Zimmerman's, which is 12% less than the 60% needed for them to "confidently" say it was him; and they have not said which percentage of a match the voice was to Treyvon's.

A: it's not a 48% chance it is him it's a 48% match.
B: Right now there are no Trayvon Martin audio clips, so, they have nothing to compare it to.

Drgoo0285 · May 2012

also his story isn't changing...but it does show logical holes in his story. GZ is so afraid of trayvon that he rolls his window up, because he didn't want to have a confrontation from the safety of his truck... but trayvon walks/runs away, and he decides to get out of his truck to face him face to face?

And, probably understandable, but if it were raining why is his window down in the first place?

fiat_money · May 2012

Drgoo0285 wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

ghost tho wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

@fiat_money two points

1. correct me if i'm wrong wasn't the bond hearing a month after the incident? Why are all these key evidence being withheld especially with irrelevant stuff about both men being revealed. based on where the car was he was a few distance from the jeep. so how did they get all the way to where trayvon was found?

2. your goal is to "pick apart weak arguments" yet i've never seen you do this for pro zimmerman arguments. so are all the only "weak arguments" coming from those that defend trayvon?

However, based on available information at this moment, the "pro-Zimmerman" argument is stronger.

how my nigga HOW??? GZ misled the dispacter..."he's on drugs" - he wasnt, "hand in his waistband" - he was unarmed. "they always get away" & "fucking coon" that establishes motive. 2 white lady neighbors said they heard a young man screaming for help, experts say theres only a 30% chance the voice is Zimmermans. Trayvons GF said she heard him ask GZ "why are u following me?" GZ's nose wasnt broken. GZ claims he never pursed the boy, then HOW did they end up 200 yard away from his car?

GZ has the cut on his head and thats about it for his cred...his story is mad leaky...how do u figure his argument is STRONGER?

The "audio experts" say there was a 48% chance that the voice outside in the rain heard in the background during 911 call was Zimmerman's, which is 12% less than the 60% needed for them to "confidently" say it was him; and they have not said which percentage of a match the voice was to Treyvon's.

A: it's not a 48% chance it is him it's a 48% match.
B: Right now there are no Trayvon Martin audio clips, so, they have nothing to compare it to.

Whether you call it a "chance" or a "match", 48% is versus an unknown percentage is still an insignificant comparison.

Not to mention that they've yet to get a proper sample (one in which Zimmerman's voice is at a similar pitch) from Zimmerman.

And even then, showing that one of them was screaming in the background of the 911 call doesn't mean the other wasn't screaming at some other time.

fiat_money · May 2012

edwardnigma wrote: »

Fuck a claim, I'm not into the kind of justice you talking about. They need to pay someone or up and put one in between this guys eyes. Justice Served. 8-10gs on the streets and that nigga would be gone. But most people don't know what true Justice is. So we're stuck at the courts.

You know what right and wrong is, your playing games, you want to feel like a Lawyer I suppose.

You could play that game all you want. I'm not playing it.

Zimmerman persued the boy, found the boy, and killed the boy. After the fact he was told not to persue the boy by the 911 operator.End of story.

I've said that morally "right/good" and "wrong/evil" are a myths before this happened, I've said it during, and I'll say it after.

So the underlined is another baseless claim.

Drgoo0285 · May 2012

fiat_money wrote: »

Drgoo0285 wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

ghost tho wrote: »

fiat_money wrote: »

Jamaica wrote: »

@fiat_money two points

1. correct me if i'm wrong wasn't the bond hearing a month after the incident? Why are all these key evidence being withheld especially with irrelevant stuff about both men being revealed. based on where the car was he was a few distance from the jeep. so how did they get all the way to where trayvon was found?

2. your goal is to "pick apart weak arguments" yet i've never seen you do this for pro zimmerman arguments. so are all the only "weak arguments" coming from those that defend trayvon?

However, based on available information at this moment, the "pro-Zimmerman" argument is stronger.

how my nigga HOW??? GZ misled the dispacter..."he's on drugs" - he wasnt, "hand in his waistband" - he was unarmed. "they always get away" & "fucking coon" that establishes motive. 2 white lady neighbors said they heard a young man screaming for help, experts say theres only a 30% chance the voice is Zimmermans. Trayvons GF said she heard him ask GZ "why are u following me?" GZ's nose wasnt broken. GZ claims he never pursed the boy, then HOW did they end up 200 yard away from his car?

GZ has the cut on his head and thats about it for his cred...his story is mad leaky...how do u figure his argument is STRONGER

The "audio experts" say there was a 48% chance that the voice outside in the rain heard in the background during 911 call was Zimmerman's, which is 12% less than the 60% needed for them to "confidently" say it was him; and they have not said which percentage of a match the voice was to Treyvon's.

A: it's not a 48% chance it is him it's a 48% match.
B: Right now there are no Trayvon Martin audio clips, so, they have nothing to compare it to.

Whether you call it a "chance" or a "match", 48% is versus an unknown percentage is still an insignificant comparison.

Not to mention that they've yet to get a proper sample (one in which Zimmerman's voice is at a similar pitch) from Zimmerman.

And even then, showing that one of them was screaming in the background of the 911 call doesn't mean the other wasn't screaming at some other time.

48% is saying that it's not his voice. It's more like a test than a competition.

I don't think the technology has much to do with pitch as much has it had to do with other parts of the voice like diction and tonality..

But if it can show the voice is trayvon's it does not matter of zimmerman was screaming at one point, because it shows that Martin was pleading for help before he was shot. Therefor even harder to claim self defense.

edwardnigma · May 2012

If somebody put a hole in your mothers mouth and blew her fucking brains out, for no good reason, you would sing a different story.

When someone says they don't know what good and evil is, this person is manipulating reality because we all as human beings have an instinct as to what is proper conduct as human beings and improper conduct.

We don't wake up in the morning and slay our family member when things don't go our way because it is......wrong

We don't go outside rape and pillage our neighborhoods because it is......wrong.

So the underlined isn't baseless at all, it's actualy spot on.Your playing games.

You know what right and wrong is. You don't need a bible, you don't need religon or none of the like to know it either....You know what nature is? Well it's in your nature you know the difference.

As a matter o fact the fact you are not an inmate as we speak, shows you as a person have kept in line, when it comes to right and wrong, so skip the attempt at being intellectual.

This is simple, Zimmerman is wrong for killing an unarmed kid. Case closed.

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